There better be a fucking good explanation for this....

--Except that the waterslide in question was created long after amnesty week , if I am not mistaken.

That's what I was thinking too. Amnesty Week was back in October or November '05, wasn't it? I didn't see the waterslide for sale until around Feb. or March.

Many things were transferred after Amnesty Week. Many things still tend to be transferred, as well.

No, it isn't all done by LL, either.

Hmmm is there an entry for homopyropaedonecrobestiality?

/opens up inventory to look for the waterslide bought 2 months ago and never rezzed yet....damn inventory bug!!!

Considering how much you benefited from harvesting the results of that bug, I would suggest you stfu.

My son is in the teengrid, so he got sent to check the diving board out. It is indeed made by Siggy.

There is a glitch that allows main grid users into teengrid - very easily, complete with inventory. Someone who accidently discovered this just told me about it.

I am reporting it, though I assume it already has been.

Siggy's the creator - who is the owner? I'm curious to know if its a Linden or not.

It is not a Linden. It is a person on the teengrid. I suppose I should have got my son to IM her, ask where she got it. Grr, he is in the bath now.

Thanks for playing Magnum, P.I.

The owner of the board is Jeffrey Aubret his rez date is 09/05/05

My daughter also now has an account on the teengrid

OK, I will send you the name of the owner in IM in SL, Flipper.

Any sign of a reply from Lindens about this yet? Keep us updated Siggy.

A Former SL friend of mine had a RL friend who was on the teen grid, she told me repeatly that she was able to transfer items and money to the teen grid, but the teen grid people were not able to transfer items or money to main grid. She also said that the friend thought the teen grid was boring. Something like only 10 sims. I personal havent seen the teen grid so I am just taking her word for it.

Unofficially, yes. Officially no.

By the lack of any substantial reply here - I'll put it down to a 'sweep it under the mat'.

That works both ways though - as there are people who replied here that not only had items transferred, but also perms broken so those items are now free and/or for sale on the teen grid, and they have had no reply as to what has happened there either.

Sometimes silence speaks louder than words.

We are some more that still havent been informed in this matter - non official or official..

?????


/Tina

Not to be rude or anything but I've read plenty of people upset with Linden Labs. Yet you continue to play the game. If you want to change this then come up with a solution. A good petition may solve this problem. Most users pay for this service and without those users Linden Labs is nothing. Get enough premiums to petition and Linden Labs may change its mind. Someone good may still be left in LL. You'll never know until you try.

Solution:

LL said the teen grid and main grid were two seperate entities. Make them so.

Sorry but I fail to see how *their mistake* becomes *our fault*.

The code fails to enforce the policy leaving big gaps and room for the users losing out or becoming on the wrong end of 'enforcement'....

The solution is 'tell us how this happened and what the policy is'.

Agreed.

Then LL can delete the offending items from teen accounts.

And hire Adult Second Life creators to build "LL approved" content for the teen grid.

This would be cool because some people would love that job - and it would give teens a peak at some of the great things that await them in Adult Second Life. It will also inspire teens to create thier own excellent content which they should be able to bring with them when they "graduate" SL, both grids, will be richer for it. Richer in creativity and money.

No need to hire anyone. Just set up a process where content creators can get vetted to sell to the Teen Grid, establish clear rules about what content is appropriate, and set penalties for breaking the rules.

Yes.

That's the point. There is no good fucking explanation for this sort of thing and LL know it. They also won't care what we think of it as long as most of their estate land is owned and the new sims in their estate auctions, as well as private regions, are being steadily purchased.

Only when people start to abandon their land and find something better to do will LL have to worry that a few creators or parents are upset about content crossing the continents.

Ain't gonna happen Siggy. The teen "grid" is only a seperate continent on The Grid Ah Hell The Central Grid with very strict immigration, import and export policies. If it actually existed on it's own grid with it's own space and asset systems the whole wora'uld mythology would crumble into dust. If LL actually ran two different grids, they'd be admiting that they could easily license the software for other companies and schools to build and operate their own grids.

For some reason, that revenue stream frightens the hell out of Philip and company. Perhaps it's because ACS developed and sold more land last month than LL did. They'd surely rather keep a company like that under their thumb by charging them monthly taxes than letting them operate under an annual licensing fee. Unfortunately, it seems to cost LL more money to support such endevours than they make. Well noone said that a man's dream had to be profitable. Long live the damn single gridded country operating at a loss.

Can't LL run a query against the Asset server for items created by a MG resident after the amnesty that is owned by a TG resident? I know this won't catch all of the items that have moved over without our consent, but it would be a start. LL can then track down the offenders and plug whatever holes are causing this. Maybe they could even let us know the results.

Torley, if you are still reading this thread, could you please poke one of the database monkeys? Even with the large size of the asset database, I can't see this taking a long time to run against an offline backup. Offhand, I can think of three or four SQL statements that would go a long way towards straightening this out.

And for those folks who think Siggy is overreacting to this, you really don't understand the time and effort it takes to make something like that waterslide. The prim torture, animations and scripting for that item must have taken forever. Siggy played by the rules, and it looks like he is getting screwed. If it turns out that he actually got paid for every copy of his stuff that is on the TG, then great, at least he didn't lose any money. It would still fly blatantly against what we have been told about the separation of TG/MG.

I'm sorry not to have gotten to this thread sooner. What happened, that we would see Siggy's content on teen grid, was an exploit used by a main grid resident to send items purchased on the main grid to their teen. Customer support has handled the breach of TOS, resulting in the erasure of the teen account's inventory and the prevention of further items from being sent from the adult.

The teen had sold numerous items and I followed the transaction record to their new owners. The items retained their intended next owner permissions and as such are not a threat to return someday to the main grid as "freebies". I did not take the items from the teens who believed they had purchased them legitimately.

What should LL do about the illicit transfer of main grid goods to the teen grid? I'm with Surreal. A means of allowing the legitimate sale of objects between grids, by vetted vendors, would almost entirely dissolve any existing "black market" for main grid objects and provide teens with access to a group of consumers more than 10x as large as their current market. We've been considering varying options, including web shopping and inter-grid commerce regions. There are numerous technical issues to consider, and so there's no immediate remedy. Suffice it to say, it's not considered a negligible issue.

As for other concerns raised here, I'd like to mirror the emotional tone of this thread if I could, so please bear with me for a moment as I try to get into the spirit of the forums...
I don't know what it was like before residents retained IP rights for their creations, but I can guarantee that no Linden in their right mind would intentionally force permissions on an object to make it a freebie for teens. That's complete, insane, mind-bendingly paranoid nonsense!
...okay, phew. Sorry if that last paragraph could be considered an unconscionable breach of my normally calm, collected demeanor, but when in Rome...

In summary, this was an issue that was discovered, investigated and resolved almost immediately...before this thread was started in fact. Any similar issues of main grid content on the teen grid that have been identified by Lindens, Teens or Creators have also been quickly and effectively addressed. We are working to the best of our ability to make sure that these uncommon incidents become rarities if not completely unheard of. Your help in identifying objects, in this case by way of snapzilla, is much appreciated. Next time, though, I suggest simply emailing [email]blue@lindenlab.com[/email] before wasting any perfectly good torches. ;p