Are you for or against AV child porn in SL?

Please tell me why you are for or against AV child porn in SL.

I would love to read your point of views when and how it is good/wrong.

Now to help the Lindens we could be contructive and think further about this. If its alowed then how far should it go. If its not allowed how can the Lindens do something about it?


I am against it and think the Lindens should write that in their TOS before the "fun AV child porn gets out of controll".

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Avatar: http://secondlife.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=avatar
Child: http://www.answers.com/child
Porn: http://www.answers.com/pornography

Adult: http://www.answers.com/adult

I meant:
An adult in an Child AV having sex with another adult (in what ever form their AV is).

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Define AV child porn

ah, nothing like a good old fashioned biased poll to help settle the score

Perhaps there should first be a poll to establish who believes two adults engaging in pixelslapping in a virtual environment can justifiably be labelled 'child porn'?

Define Av child porn.

Option C, there are no children in SL. (Or, to placate Cris, there are, but that is not what you are talking about).

I'm against another thread on this topic.

Yes
but I wanted to be sure you cant say I am against it but... Or I am for it but...

simple yes or no makes it less complicated.



Now you got a good point there!

Can two adults engaging in pixelslapping in a virtual environment can be justifiably be labelled as 'child porn'?

Now lets see: They look as children? And its porn (define pixelslapping?)?. Then its AV Child porn. If the same adult are having fun on the playground then its just having fun. No big deal at all.

gmta

And, like all weighted questions, makes ther results meaningless.



No.

Define an child AV...

Until you do that, it's impossible to define Child AV porn...

Define 'for' and 'against'? Am I for or against LL banning people from engaging in roleplay? Or 'Yes please! and I want to see more of it!' or somewhere in between. Because you can be against LL banning it and think it's pretty sick at the same time. So would that be a 'for' or 'against'?



So it's the short avie that does it for you? I'm serious, I don't know. Let me provide some other examples for you and you can tell me where you stand. Maybe that'll help.

An adult avatar and an adult avatar, but one is wearing a diaper/school uniform? Is this ok?

An adult and adult in real life? But one is wearing a diaper/school uniform? Is this ok?

What if one of the adults has boyishly good looks and babytalks?

A stick figure drawing of a small stick figure sucking off a big stick figure? is this ok?

If an adult avatar fucks a furry avatar, is this bestiality?

If an adult fucks an adult in a furry suit irl, is this bestiality?


Anyone is free to chime in with their own scenarios for clarification, btw. I'm just trying to figure out how to answer the poll.

I don't have an opinion on the subject, but am nursing a fanatical grievance against people who make architecturally unsound builds in SL because 89.2% of people who build physically impossible builds in SL go on to create such builds in RL and someone could get hurt in a structural collapse.

Woo, the old 'do you still beat your wife?' question. Can't do better than that!

Avatar: http://secondlife.com/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=avatar
Child: http://www.answers.com/child
Porn: http://www.answers.com/pornography

Adult: http://www.answers.com/adult

I meant: an adult in an Child AV having sex with another adult (in what ever form their AV is).

Define it. Put up or shut up.

What about an "I don't care" choice.

LL may try and restrict "child AV porn" but digitally created child porn, or "Virtual Porn" has already been ruled by the Supreme Court to be legal in the case of "Free Speech Coalition v. Reno".

The decision:

The question presented in this case is whether Congress may constitutionally proscribe as child pornography computer images that do not ivolve the use of real children in their production or dissemination. We hold that the First AMendment prohibits Congress from enacting a statue that makes criminal the generation of images of fictitous children engaged in imaginary but explicit sexual conduct.

From: Free Speech Coalition v. Janet Reno, 198 D.3d 1083 (9th Cir. 1999).

It does not look like LL would have any legal legs to stand on if they decided to kick off residents who engage in age play stuff for that reason alone.

Briana Dawson

Briana,

The PROTECT Act of 2003 supercedes that ruling, and once again makes it illegal.

Not in this instance.

That covers computer enhanced photograph tricks that appear indistinguishable from the real thing.

Avatars such as we have in SL are little better than cartoons.

Oh, but Kendra, if they actually -define- what a child av is... then they'd have to explain away the short adults in some kind of exemption clause.

leading to ageplayers saying: "Well, this isn't a 13 year old I'm copulating with, it's a very short adult!" (which is indeed true, since the person on the other end IS AN ADULT)

And then they wouldn't be able to apply the illogical rule they want nearly as fanatically...

Good... now define what a Child AV is...

"We hold that the First Amendment prohibits Congress from enacting a statute that makes criminal..."

I could be wrong, but if it's ruled unconstitutional, I'd think the only way to supercede that ruling via Yet Another Law is if that later law is an amendment to the constitution.

Otherwise, the government devolves into endless "It's illegal!" "No it izunt!" "Is so!" "Is not!" "Is so too!" "Nuh uh!".

Please define exactly what a child AV is. Considering there is not a AGE field in the AV setup, I fail to see how you can define what is a child. Also considering that per the TOS all players are 18 or older, I fail to see how you can make any assumptions of the age of a avatar.

Also, since this is SL, and there are more 'races' than human, how would you define child for the other races? What is a child furry, or child pixie, or child elf, or child vampire?

But this isnt about a law in RL in a country. I think there are some countries that think its ok to do whatever you want.. And there are countries that would "get" us just because we write what whe think.

anyway,
Its about Second life, us and the Lindens TOS and that they can create their rules to give us boundries.

Dont forget we are still talking about av child porn.