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Lewis Nerd
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02-09-2006 06:18
From: Kris Ritter I sense that you're quite judgmental and intolerent of lifestyles other than your own, arent you? And very quick to condemn a whole community based upon a momentary visit to their website.
How did you ever make it as far as the signup for Second Life? I have my viewpoints, opinions and standards, and they're just as valid as anyone else's. Just because I happen to not be afraid to stand up and speak out against what may happen to be the majority viewpoint, and not cave into pressure, is one of my strengths, not a weakness. I came to SL because I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. A lot of players in Sims Online I play have come here and were always talking about it, a few friends played and were talking about it, and I've followed the Herald ever since it was TSO only. Since I signed up, I've actually found quite a few people who don't like the 'sex' side of SL, and find their entertainment in other ways. As I said, I don't plan on interfering in whatever they want to do in game, as long as they stay out of my way. As I am not likely to frequent the kind of hangouts I can imagine them visiting or running, that shouldn't be too difficult. Lewis
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Lewis Nerd
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02-09-2006 06:20
Unless you happen to be a Christian, I'd suggest you refrain from quoting things you know nothing about, and a book you don't believe in.
So it's wrong to criticise someone for having a lifestyle I don't like, but it's fine to attack me because I'm a Christian. Par for the course. It happens all the time on many message forums I post on, and it does get rather tiresome.
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Kris Ritter
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02-09-2006 06:24
From: Lewis Nerd As I said, I don't plan on interfering in whatever they want to do in game, as long as they stay out of my way. As I am not likely to frequent the kind of hangouts I can imagine them visiting or running, that shouldn't be too difficult. ...just as long as those evol porno star trash dont feel like exploring SL while you're online! 
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Kris Ritter
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02-09-2006 06:25
From: Lewis Nerd So it's wrong to criticise someone for having a lifestyle I don't like, but it's fine to attack me because I'm a Christian. Par for the course. It happens all the time on many message forums I post on, and it does get rather tiresome. I wonder why that happens? Some people are such hypocrites, aren't they?
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Lucifer Baphomet
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02-09-2006 06:28
I didn't attack you, I pointed out hypcocracy, Lewis.
I happen to be a former Christian Lewis, with friends and family members who still practice, I learnt plenty about it as a child, and have studied may religions comparitively in my adult life. Im as entitled to my opinion as you, but somehow my post unnerved you, you dont adress the statement, and attempt to dismis me because I'm a non believer, no doubt on the basis of my name.
Lewis, could you possibly be more judgemental?
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Lewis Nerd
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02-09-2006 06:35
From: Lucifer Baphomet Lewis, could you possibly be more judgemental? Probably, but it's not worth the keystrokes to reply, as you'd probably dismiss it. Your name is certainly not one that a Christian would have chosen.... my name is taken from Lewis Skolnik of the "Revenge of the Nerds" films, which I happen to enjoy, and "Nerd" was one of the surnames available when I signed up so it fitted well. If "Nerd" wasn't available I'm not sure what I would have picked. But anyway, Suicide Girls is not something I intend to support or have anything to do with in game if I can help it. Lewis
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Lucifer Baphomet
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02-09-2006 06:38
Hmm my alt is called Elohim, the old hebrew term for a god. If I'd posted in that would you have listened to my Judge not comment?
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-09-2006 06:38
From: Lewis Nerd Your name is certainly not one that a Christian would have chosen.... my name is taken from Lewis Skolnik of the "Revenge of the Nerds" films, which I happen to enjoy, and "Nerd" was one of the surnames available when I signed up so it fitted well. If "Nerd" wasn't available I'm not sure what I would have picked. What in the name of God does his name or yours have to do with his opinions? Oh, right. Not a damn thing. In any event, it's simple. Be judgemental, get judged for it. Seems fair to me.
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Lewis Nerd
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02-09-2006 06:42
From: Reitsuki Kojima Be judgemental, get judged for it. Seems fair to me. ... and you prove my point perfectly. It's considered wrong for me to speak out against this because my viewpoint is not the 'majority'. Yet it's fine for people to attack me because I'm a Christian and I'm speaking out against it. Lewis
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FlipperPA Peregrine
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02-09-2006 06:44
From: Ingrid Ingersoll Fair enough. But I think if they're going to use women as sex objects to promote their company they should also extend that great priveledge to men as well. Flip can only do so much. hehehehe, we can't all get naked in Boardman and end up on the SecondLife.com home page!  /me runs and hides as Ingrid grabs a baseball bat to club him with
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-09-2006 06:48
From: Lewis Nerd ... and you prove my point perfectly. Nope. From: Lewis Nerd It's considered wrong for me to speak out against this because my viewpoint is not the 'majority'. Nope. From: Lewis Nerd Yet it's fine for people to attack me because I'm a Christian and I'm speaking out against it. 's got nothing ta do with you being Christian. Chill the persecution complex a bit, ne? I am too. It has everything to do with you making a hasty, ill-informed dismisal of a website as a "porn site" (It isn't), and the people who run it as "trash", which is a very, very low thing to call anyone.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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02-09-2006 06:49
From: Reitsuki Kojima Nope.
Nope.
's got nothing ta do with you being Christian. I am too. It has everything to do with you making a hasty, ill-informed dismisal of a website as a "porn site" (It isn't), and the people who run it as "trash", which is a very, very low thing to call anyone. Exactly reitsuki, tyvm.
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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02-09-2006 06:53
Just wanted to reiterate, my beef is with LL being affiliated with a porn site, because the porn industry is abusive and exploitive. Chosing an industry with a cleaner rap sheet in terms of exploitation would have been a far better choice.
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Beryl Greenacre
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02-09-2006 06:55
From: Deirdre Boyer Me, I welcome every new resident of Second Life with open arms... Exactly. New residents are always, always welcome. It's the Linden marketing practices that seem odd or something; why wasn't this opportunity publicized? Do they want to control exactly which communities migrate en masse to SL? Or is anyone welcome? From: Reitsuki Kojima ...I guess the only thing that bothers me here is the whole "special deal" that they get as a "Community". I'm part of a ton of communities that have migrated in whole or part to Second Life! Why don't I get any special deals? Why are these people so special? Hell, Furries alone... I'd be willign to bet you that furries have brought a lot more money and publicity to SL than these girls have or will. But is there a special last name from immegrants from Furry Muck? Nope. Exactly. So, if you belong to any online communities, I'd recommend you call up LL and ask them about having a group last name, since they have now set the precedent. Surely they will be welcoming to any community which approaches them, as they've indicated with the SG group. It's only fair, after all. Isn't that right, Wilder? 
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Nolan Nash
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02-09-2006 06:57
Recipe for Victim Pie
1) Make holier-than-thou judgements about others, and tie your religion into it.
2) When people rebutt you in a religious context (again, after you introduced religion into the debate) claim they are persecuting you because of your religious beliefs.
3) Lather, rinse, repeat.
Mmmmmm, I do so like a nice, foamy, hypocritical pie!
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-09-2006 07:02
If "lather, rinse, and repeat" is part of how you make pies, Nolan, remind me never to eat pie at your house.
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Lucifer Baphomet
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02-09-2006 07:03
But Reitsuki, at least we know his pies are clean. 
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Nolan Nash
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02-09-2006 07:05
From: Ingrid Ingersoll Just wanted to reiterate, my beef is with LL being affiliated with a porn site, because the porn industry is abusive and exploitive. I would feel the same if LL was in cahoots with some sweat shop. I'd have to say that my feelings lean this way too - to a point. For me it's got nothing to do with the morality/immorality of the site, and I must add one caveat. Looking at the free preview stuff there on their site, I myself would not label it as "porn", although there may be more to the site that doesn't show with a quick tour of the preview stuff. For me porn is graphic depiction of a sex act, and I don't see any indicators of that on the surface, though as I said, there may be more to it. I would also caution against direct comparisons to sweat shops. People, many times children, are left no other choice in most sweat shop cases - it's do it or not eat. The SG site, on the other hand, is comprised of consenting adults who hardly look like they're having trouble finding their next meal, or a pair of shoes.
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Jonas Pierterson
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02-09-2006 07:08
From: someone Just wanted to reiterate, my beef is with LL being affiliated with a porn site, because the porn industry is abusive and exploitive. I would feel the same if LL was in cahoots with some sweat shop. Actually I consider Suicide girls to more of a form of art than porn. The rates per shoot and obligations however, as exposed by those who left, lead me to believe it is close to a sweat shop. I have cancelled my subscription to their site, one held for a few months. They will get no more of my money to exploit these women.
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Kris Ritter
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02-09-2006 07:18
From: Beryl Greenacre So, if you belong to any online communities, I'd recommend you call up LL and ask them about having a group last name, since they have now set the precedent. Surely they will be welcoming to any community which approaches them, as they've indicated with the SG group. It's only fair, after all. Isn't that right, Wilder?  I don't think you should have to call them up and ask at all! If one can have it, why isn't it readily available to all with published rates, terms and conditions? That's my objection... that people are quite rightly asking questions about how it came to be, and so far LL/Wilders response has more or less been 'No, no, no, guess again!'. Just tell us how we can take advantage of the same, goddammit!
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Surreal Farber
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02-09-2006 07:20
From: Enabran Templar Porn might be a bad thing because the female body is a a starkly potent, incredibly powerful construct that represents both nature's definitive architectural triumph and the most divinely satisfying image available to modern humanity.
This power, of course, is deeply troublesome in that is intimidating to women who aren't comfortable wielding it as an instrument. These are deeply threatened, for obvious reasons, as men are stupid, clumsy puppets wired to enjoy beauty and do silly things in pursuit of sex.
I understand the objection. But let's call it what it is. Wow.. this thread isn't locked yet? Enabran, I so often agree with your posts, but I have to say that this time I think you're way off base. I completely agree with your first paragraph. And that's not just cause I'm bi (spent 8 years with my last g/f bi). I've no objection to a woman doing whatever she wants to with her body, but I have to tell you that a society with values firm tits and a hot young ass over character and intelligence sucks to live in as a woman. A woman can be comfortable with the ravages of gravity, time, and childbearing may have on her body, without ever being comfortable with that social attitude. The only men I've known who have a really solid understanding of this are gay men who have been sexually harrassed in the workplace. Now, back to our regularly scheduled forum drama.
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02-09-2006 07:21
From: Siggy Romulus Indeed - there is a vas deferens between you and I.....  *presents bill for 1 roll of brawny paper towels, and 1 IBM keyboard, slightly used* I shot tea out my nose... DAMN YOU SIGGY!!
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Mnislahi Suicide
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Thou talkst of nothing.
02-09-2006 07:22
Seriously, you guys are making a big deal out of something that isn't. No sweatshop, no hardcore porn of some sort. Talk to us, we are nice and don't bite... well, most of the time.  P.S. Nolan, I want some of that pie. <3 Mnislahi
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Kris Ritter
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02-09-2006 07:24
It's a Suicide Girl! /me waves Welcome, Mnislahi 
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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02-09-2006 07:28
From: Mnislahi Suicide Talk to us, we are nice and don't bite... well, most of the time. Mnislahi, please don't take my opinions of the porn industry as any sort of attack against you. I have no doubt I'd enjoy talking to any of you and I welcome you to SL as I would anyone else.
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