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Enabran Templar

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02-09-2006 09:03

From: Ingrid Ingersoll

Absolutely. And thank goodness no one so far has implied that any of them are objects, at least not in this thread.

Hi, again, Ingrid!

From: Luth Brodie

While I agree that SG is trendy art and not porn, I still believe that they are objects. Trendy artsy objects... but still objects. Yes some enjoy being objects as it inflates their sense of self. Just whats going to happen to them when their way of showing off is gone? Fade into the background and "remember when." Its the same thing that happens with talentless actresses who were once hot.

Now, uh, let's see some righteous indignation for that, huh?

Right.

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Iron Perth

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02-09-2006 09:04

Wilder,

Is there a particular reason you felt it wise to start with something as broadly offsensive as the term suicide?

And how exactly does suicide past muster on community standards for last names?

From a sheer marketing point of view, I feel this sort of thing is harming, not helping SecondLife, LindenLab, or the community.

Soleil Mirabeau

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02-09-2006 09:04

From: Iron Perth

Is there a particular reason you felt it wise to start with something as broadly offsensive as the term suicide?

And how exactly does suicide past muster on community standards for last names?

Uhhh, what other names are they going to use?

They ARE the suicide girls.

Artemis Fate

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02-09-2006 09:05

From: Aimee Weber

Well for example, other than Washu (who, sadly, I see very rarely) I can't remember the last time I saw a person of color.

0_o yo.

*edited*

And for me the fact that there's another non-sex based group that got a custom last name changes a lot for me. My one major worry about this was that there'd be a slow decline into SL becoming an "official" sex game. But if it's just a marketing ploy for new customers, that's fine by me I guess.

As for the suicide girls, I could say stuff about them but I have yet to meet any of them. The one that posted on the thread seems nice enough. Although I have a feeling that if you start getting fans from the site or fans in SL already, that they're going to have a tough time with random people asking for "fre sex plzz???" or "give pics plzz?".

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Cristiano Midnight

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02-09-2006 09:05

From: Iron Perth

Is there a particular reason you felt it wise to start with something as broadly offsensive as the term suicide?

And how exactly does suicide past muster on community standards for last names?

Excellent question. I would think the last name of Suicide would not pass the CS.

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Iron Perth

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02-09-2006 09:05

From: Soleil Mirabeau

Uhhh, what other names are they going to use?

They ARE the suicide girls.

So how about the Hilter Boys, when do they join?

Ingrid Ingersoll

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02-09-2006 09:05

From: Enabran Templar

Well, I can do that, too.

Microsoft beat the crap out of smaller businesses in the past. Microsoft makes software. Enabran makes software, too, but nowhere near on the scale of Microsoft, and the product is simple the point of absurdity. Therefore, because Enabran and Microsoft vaguely inhabit the same space, Enabran is a dickbag and we should all hate him, because he's going to use his muscle to destroy smaller businesses.
.

Your scenario doesn't include any possible exploitation at all, so, I'm thinking your analogy isn't all that great.

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Sansarya Caligari

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02-09-2006 09:07

From: Cocoanut Cookie

Wilder:

Q. Is there a deal/agreement/contract between Linden Lab and the Suicide Girls?

A. No

Except for the fact that you gave them a last name of their own, special to them. (And a fairly offensive last name as well.)

Q. Were the Suicide Girls approached by Linden Lab to join Second Life as a part of a program or promotion?

A. No

Except for the fact that you did approach them, and asked them to join SL in the hopes that you would get more players and more publicity.

Q. Why did Linden Lab do this?

A. There is an interest in seeing how existing web communities can extend what they offer members by having a virtual space where they can meet and interact. The Suicide Girls have a very active community and Second Life is a good fit for them to be able to meet and greet each other as well as their site members.

And because you hope to get bunches more residents. And because it causes a stir.

You make this sound as if the sex angle didn't even enter your mind when you courted the Suicide Girls. What about all the other existing web communities?

Please remember that the residents in Second Life with the last name Suicide are like all residents and deserve to be treated according to the Community Guidelines and Standards.

No they aren’t. They’ve been wooed and given a special last name by the Lindens. Were they given anything else the rest of us don’t get?

There will be more web communities in the future joining Second Life as we continue to grow and expand and they should be given the chance to make a home just as we all have.

Who's not giving them "a chance to make a home?" The objection isn't to them, it's to LL's actions. The objections are to the special deal they got, the fact that you chose a porn/erotica site to make that deal with, and the fact that you did it - as usual - behind the scenes, with no announcement, and waited till we discovered it.

I ask again: Did they get any other perks the rest of us don't besides exclusive access to a special last name of their own preference?

coco

Coco, were you the middle daughter (and/or one of seven children in your family)? These are the same kinds of responses my middle daughter likes to give me when one of the other 3 gets something she doesn't get. Massive guilt attack!

Cocoanut Cookie

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02-09-2006 09:07

From: Cristiano Midnight

They also made special last names for the influx of people coming from There when they originally announced their imminent shutdown- that is where Thereian and Karuna came from (I think there was another one too, I forget).

That's true!

That makes it seem better. (Where does Karuna come from?)

coco

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Cristiano Midnight

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02-09-2006 09:08

From: Cocoanut Cookie

That's true!

That makes it seem better. (Where does Karuna come from?)

coco

Karuna was the main sort of "welcome area" hangout in There.

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Enabran Templar

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02-09-2006 09:11

From: Ingrid Ingersoll

Your scenario doesn't include any possible exploitation at all, so, I'm thinking your analogy isn't all that great.

It's not about exploitation. The analogy is about turning tenuous connections into solid groupings that don't actually exist in reality.

But it doesn't matter. Don't let reason stand in the way of such a tried and tested means of demogoguery. But don't think you're fooling me.

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From: Hiro Pendragon

Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court.

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Jarod Godel

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02-09-2006 09:12

From: Cristiano Midnight

They also made special last names for the influx of people coming from There...

True. I forgot about those. Thank you.

So, the list so far:

There players
Researchers
Suicide Girls

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Jeska Linden

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02-09-2006 09:16

I think it's safe to say that this thread has turned to private attacks and heated off-topic discussion and as such is being closed - if you would like to continue discussing the Suicide Girls in Second Life please feel free to start another thread and please stay on topic and refrain from attacking those who hold different opinions than you.

LL using The Suicide Girls to promote their product
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	02-09-2006 09:03 From: Ingrid Ingersoll Absolutely. And thank goodness no one so far has implied that any of them are objects, at least not in this thread. Hi, again, Ingrid! From: Luth Brodie While I agree that SG is trendy art and not porn, I still believe that they are objects. Trendy artsy objects... but still objects. Yes some enjoy being objects as it inflates their sense of self. Just whats going to happen to them when their way of showing off is gone? Fade into the background and "remember when." Its the same thing that happens with talentless actresses who were once hot. Now, uh, let's see some righteous indignation for that, huh? Right. _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Iron Perth Registered User Join date: 9 Mar 2005 Posts: 802	02-09-2006 09:04 Wilder, Is there a particular reason you felt it wise to start with something as broadly offsensive as the term suicide? And how exactly does suicide past muster on community standards for last names? From a sheer marketing point of view, I feel this sort of thing is harming, not helping SecondLife, LindenLab, or the community.
Soleil Mirabeau eh? Join date: 6 Oct 2005 Posts: 995	02-09-2006 09:04 From: Iron Perth Is there a particular reason you felt it wise to start with something as broadly offsensive as the term suicide? And how exactly does suicide past muster on community standards for last names? Uhhh, what other names are they going to use? They ARE the suicide girls.
Artemis Fate I'm a big stupid-face. Join date: 24 Oct 2003 Posts: 746	02-09-2006 09:05 From: Aimee Weber Well for example, other than Washu (who, sadly, I see very rarely) I can't remember the last time I saw a person of color. 0_o yo. edited And for me the fact that there's another non-sex based group that got a custom last name changes a lot for me. My one major worry about this was that there'd be a slow decline into SL becoming an "official" sex game. But if it's just a marketing ploy for new customers, that's fine by me I guess. As for the suicide girls, I could say stuff about them but I have yet to meet any of them. The one that posted on the thread seems nice enough. Although I have a feeling that if you start getting fans from the site or fans in SL already, that they're going to have a tough time with random people asking for "fre sex plzz???" or "give pics plzz?". _____________________ Ko Industries, unique clothes for the unique woman: Ko Industries: Nexus Prime Gibson (main) store "Be still like a mountain, and flow like a great river" -Lao Tse "Deus Ex Machina" "Dom Ars Est Vita Est" "Stand tall and Shake the heavens" -Xenogears
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	02-09-2006 09:05 From: Iron Perth Is there a particular reason you felt it wise to start with something as broadly offsensive as the term suicide? And how exactly does suicide past muster on community standards for last names? Excellent question. I would think the last name of Suicide would not pass the CS. _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Iron Perth Registered User Join date: 9 Mar 2005 Posts: 802	02-09-2006 09:05 From: Soleil Mirabeau Uhhh, what other names are they going to use? They ARE the suicide girls. So how about the Hilter Boys, when do they join?
Ingrid Ingersoll Archived Join date: 10 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,601	02-09-2006 09:05 From: Enabran Templar Well, I can do that, too. Microsoft beat the crap out of smaller businesses in the past. Microsoft makes software. Enabran makes software, too, but nowhere near on the scale of Microsoft, and the product is simple the point of absurdity. Therefore, because Enabran and Microsoft vaguely inhabit the same space, Enabran is a dickbag and we should all hate him, because he's going to use his muscle to destroy smaller businesses. . Your scenario doesn't include any possible exploitation at all, so, I'm thinking your analogy isn't all that great. _____________________ http://www.ingrid.0catch.com/1.html
Sansarya Caligari BLEH! Join date: 25 Apr 2005 Posts: 1,206	02-09-2006 09:07 From: Cocoanut Cookie Wilder: *Q. Is there a deal/agreement/contract between Linden Lab and the Suicide Girls?* A. No Except for the fact that you gave them a last name of their own, special to them. (And a fairly offensive last name as well.) *Q. Were the Suicide Girls approached by Linden Lab to join Second Life as a part of a program or promotion?* A. No Except for the fact that you did approach them, and asked them to join SL in the hopes that you would get more players and more publicity. *Q. Why did Linden Lab do this?* A. There is an interest in seeing how existing web communities can extend what they offer members by having a virtual space where they can meet and interact. The Suicide Girls have a very active community and Second Life is a good fit for them to be able to meet and greet each other as well as their site members. And because you hope to get bunches more residents. And because it causes a stir. You make this sound as if the sex angle didn't even enter your mind when you courted the Suicide Girls. What about all the other existing web communities? *Please remember that the residents in Second Life with the last name Suicide are like all residents and deserve to be treated according to the Community Guidelines and Standards.* No they aren’t. They’ve been wooed and given a special last name by the Lindens. Were they given anything else the rest of us don’t get? *There will be more web communities in the future joining Second Life as we continue to grow and expand and they should be given the chance to make a home just as we all have.* Who's not giving them "a chance to make a home?" The objection isn't to them, it's to LL's actions. The objections are to the special deal they got, the fact that you chose a porn/erotica site to make that deal with, and the fact that you did it - as usual - behind the scenes, with no announcement, and waited till we discovered it. I ask again: Did they get any other perks the rest of us don't besides exclusive access to a special last name of their own preference? coco Coco, were you the middle daughter (and/or one of seven children in your family)? These are the same kinds of responses my middle daughter likes to give me when one of the other 3 gets something she doesn't get. Massive guilt attack!
Cocoanut Cookie Registered User Join date: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,741	02-09-2006 09:07 From: Cristiano Midnight They also made special last names for the influx of people coming from There when they originally announced their imminent shutdown- that is where Thereian and Karuna came from (I think there was another one too, I forget). That's true! That makes it seem better. (Where does Karuna come from?) coco _____________________
Cristiano Midnight Evil Snapshot Baron Join date: 17 May 2003 Posts: 8,616	02-09-2006 09:08 From: Cocoanut Cookie That's true! That makes it seem better. (Where does Karuna come from?) coco Karuna was the main sort of "welcome area" hangout in There. _____________________ Cristiano ANOmations - huge selection of high quality, low priced animations all $100L or less. ~SLUniverse.com~ SL's oldest and largest community site, featuring Snapzilla image sharing, forums, and much more.
Enabran Templar Capitalist Pig Join date: 26 Aug 2004 Posts: 4,506	02-09-2006 09:11 From: Ingrid Ingersoll Your scenario doesn't include any possible exploitation at all, so, I'm thinking your analogy isn't all that great. It's not about exploitation. The analogy is about turning tenuous connections into solid groupings that don't actually exist in reality. But it doesn't matter. Don't let reason stand in the way of such a tried and tested means of demogoguery. But don't think you're fooling me. _____________________ From: Hiro Pendragon Furthermore, as Second Life goes to the Metaverse, and this becomes an open platform, Linden Lab risks lawsuit in court and [attachment culling] will, I repeat WILL be reverse in court. Second Life Forums: Who needs Reason when you can use bold tags?
Jarod Godel Utilitarian Join date: 6 Nov 2003 Posts: 729	02-09-2006 09:12 From: Cristiano Midnight They also made special last names for the influx of people coming from There... True. I forgot about those. Thank you. So, the list so far: There players Researchers Suicide Girls _____________________ "All designers in SL need to be aware of the fact that there are now quite simple methods of complete texture theft in SL that are impossible to stop..." - Cristiano Midnight Ad aspera per intelligentem prohibitus.
Jeska Linden Administrator Join date: 26 Jul 2004 Posts: 2,388	02-09-2006 09:16 I think it's safe to say that this thread has turned to private attacks and heated off-topic discussion and as such is being closed - if you would like to continue discussing the Suicide Girls in Second Life please feel free to start another thread and please stay on topic and refrain from attacking those who hold different opinions than you.

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