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02-08-2006 20:55
GOMing the SL escort industry, what took them so long?
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Susie Boffin
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02-08-2006 20:58
Are these Suicide Girls just trying to imitate Second Life's Sex Girls? If so I demand immediate monetary compensation.
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Jarod Godel
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02-08-2006 21:07
From: Enabran Templar
We need to start forbidding women from joining. That's obviously the only solution.
Thank you! I've been saying this forever. If we could just get rid of the women, this SL would finally be a serious place with serious code and serious technology...

Where we could implement Blowup Doll 2.0! :D
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Sarendale Parvenu
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02-08-2006 21:08
From: Susie Boffin
Are these Suicide Girls just trying to imitate Second Life's Sex Girls? If so I demand immediate monetary compensation.

Old habits die hard.
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Enabran Templar
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02-08-2006 21:08
From: Deirdre Boyer
It can be an act of self defense of course. If you can not dismiss a negative attitude towards porn with an easy excuse you would have to start thinking, why porn might be a bad thing. That would be uncool, of course. :)


Porn might be a bad thing because the female body is a a starkly potent, incredibly powerful construct that represents both nature's definitive architectural triumph and the most divinely satisfying image available to modern humanity.

This power, of course, is deeply troublesome in that is intimidating to women who aren't comfortable wielding it as an instrument. These are deeply threatened, for obvious reasons, as men are stupid, clumsy puppets wired to enjoy beauty and do silly things in pursuit of sex.

I understand the objection. But let's call it what it is.

Anyway, Vivid's VP of Production is a woman. I watched an hour special on the women who run part of that porn empire with the missus the other day. And it was on Oxygen, I believe. My conscience is clear. :)
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Cocoanut Cookie
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02-08-2006 21:11
From: Artemis Fate
Well getting the special name was just a small part of it, the big part of it here would seem to be getting suicide girl models to play SL. Hence the reason why there's members who seem to have never logged in but are in a group already

Or it could be that these girls (they do have a gaming section on their message boards, for various games) just wanted to play SL, and really really wanted that last name, and LL accommodated them.

I don't really get it, why getting those girls to play SL would be any big dealL. We already have the sex and porn areas well-covered by regular home-grown SL residents.

I haven't seen anything yet that says they got anything besides the special name, or that LL ever approached them, instead of them approaching LL. It is odd that they haven't logged on much, if that's true, and that Wilder Linden is in their group, but aside from that, looks like nothing much to get excited about (pun intended).

I guess it would be good if there were some official comment on how a group can go about getting their own special last name, if they want one, or if you have to be a member of a porn site for that privilege.

coco
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Ingrid Ingersoll
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02-08-2006 21:12
From: Enabran Templar
Porn might be a bad thing because the female body is a a starkly potent, incredibly powerful construct that represents both nature's definitive architectural triumph and the most divinely satisfying image available to modern humanity.

This power, of course, is deeply troublesome in that is intimidating to women who aren't comfortable wielding it as an instrument.


or it could be this:

"Most girls who enter this industry do one video and quit. The experience is so painful, horrifying, embarrassing, humiliating for them that they never do it again,” says Ford.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/21/60minutes/main585049.shtml
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Susie Boffin
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02-08-2006 21:14
Now that I think about it this is nothing but a plot to get more people wearing black in Second Life! We have nowhere near enough people wearing black!
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Enabran Templar
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02-08-2006 21:15
From: Ingrid Ingersoll
or it could be this:

"Most girls who enter this industry do one video and quit. The experience is so painful, horrifying, embarrassing, humiliating for them that they never do it again,” says Ford.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/11/21/60minutes/main585049.shtml


Yeah, that's pretty horrifying stuff.

Know what I heard about boys who play video games? I heard that they get violent tendencies, and that every boy who plays video games will go and shoot up his school!

edit: Also, heh, Pinup Models != hardcore porn actresses (or victims, if that's how you like to spin it)
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Jarod Godel
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02-08-2006 21:24
From: Cocoanut Cookie
I guess it would be good if there were some official comment on how a group can go about getting their own special last name, if they want one, or if you have to be a member of a porn site for that privilege.
That's one thinbg that makes me uncomfortable about this whole thing. I'm not against Prim-prostitutes or camwhores in-world, and I'm not even against an SL/SG alliance if that's what Linden Lab is doing. I would, though, like to know how they went about it and what the conditions are for me to do it -- call it a quirk, but sudden things like a new group with a new name to boot make me curious and (yes) a bit jealous over a feature I didn't know existed.

Speaking only for myself and as someone who's been kind of bent out of shape since realizing I couldn't tap the "Suicide" name, that's my biggest gripe: what kind of deals does it take to access an original name.

My other complaint about this is strictly from a "well, how do I sell this to the managers now" perspective. I get sex sells, I get that sex sells online pretty well, but as an IT guy who works with E-Learning students (some who are still in high school), suggesting Second Life, when Second Life is so seemingly official with SG, is a bit harder for me...

"Yes. They work with camwhores, but if you ignore that (and the fact little Billy has equal access to them), Second Life really is an ideal technology! Honest!"
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Khashai Steinbeck
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02-08-2006 21:45
I, for one, welcome our new webcam overlords.
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Artemis Fate
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02-08-2006 21:55
From: Cocoanut Cookie
Or it could be that these girls (they do have a gaming section on their message boards, for various games) just wanted to play SL, and really really wanted that last name, and LL accommodated them.

I don't really get it, why getting those girls to play SL would be any big dealL. We already have the sex and porn areas well-covered by regular home-grown SL residents.

I haven't seen anything yet that says they got anything besides the special name, or that LL ever approached them, instead of them approaching LL. It is odd that they haven't logged on much, if that's true, and that Wilder Linden is in their group, but aside from that, looks like nothing much to get excited about (pun intended).

I guess it would be good if there were some official comment on how a group can go about getting their own special last name, if they want one, or if you have to be a member of a porn site for that privilege.

coco


Wilder Linden isn't just in it, she founded it. And wrote a description that positively went on about how these girls are better than you.

It's not that they're porno girls, you're right in that, SL's full of them, they're a drop in the bucket. It's that LL is officially recognizing them by giving them last names that no one else can get, making a group for them, and apparently making an account for them. I don't know for sure if they have never logged on, but I can tell that their profiles have not been modified from the original at all. No extra ratings, groups, and profile entries. It's not perfect but atleast it's one way to tell if someone's playing.

But hey, if SL is giving Suicide girls custom last names, and they're not making pacts, then I wonder if they'll do that for any other site and group? Seems unlikely.

What this pact means to me is that LL is recognizing SL as an official sex game and that they're trying to get some sex celebrities aboard to get some advertising for people interested in sex.

What worries me is how far this will go.
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Deirdre Boyer
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02-08-2006 21:56
From: Enabran Templar
Porn might be a bad thing because the female body is a a starkly potent, incredibly powerful construct that represents both nature's definitive architectural triumph and the most divinely satisfying image available to modern humanity.

This power, of course, is deeply troublesome in that is intimidating to women who aren't comfortable wielding it as an instrument. These are deeply threatened, for obvious reasons, as men are stupid, clumsy puppets wired to enjoy beauty and do silly things in pursuit of sex.

I understand the objection. But let's call it what it is.
No matter how poetic you like to phrase your personal preferences, there are many reasons to despise the porn industry. There might be some nice, happy people - even women - in the industry. Does this change what this industry is doing to many not so happy people?

Finally: saying or implying that all these reasons finally are rooted in insecurity and jealousy is just plain ... rude.

It is even more rude, to present your opinion on the issue as a plain and simple fact "let's call it what it is". Everybody has to agree to that, don't they? It's obvious isn't it? Woman are always jealous. Everybody knows that! :)

Of course everybody feels a need to justify his likes or dislikes. Of course you have a right to like porn. There is rarely a young guy who does not like porn.

But please don't present it as "plain obvious", that everyone who does not agree with you is just a prudish, insecure, probably ugly and jealous woman.
Torley Linden
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02-08-2006 21:56
I've not really met any Suicide Girls in SL yet... I should!
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Eboni Khan
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02-08-2006 21:57
From: Enabran Templar
Type A: Female. Has some insecurities. Sees a bunch of hot ass and makes up a bunch of nasty about said hot ass because it bothers her that the dudes will be impressed by the hot ass. What if they're not impressed by her own hot ass? Oh my!

Type B: Male. Lies about enjoying porn. Probably has SG bookmarked, but will decry this as a nasty, tasteless act of selling out.

Type C: Everyone else who is threatened neither by hot ass nor by their own sexuality. Naughty bits do not terrify these people. They're down with our new goth/punk, sexy neighbors. Or at the least are indifferent.




If I said carbon copy goth white girls whoring themselves for loot on cam is like so 1999, that would make me? Oh right, bored.
Enabran Templar
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02-08-2006 22:05
From: Deirdre Boyer
Woman are always jealous. Everybody knows that! :)


That's right. I've been hearing that from my women-friends for years.

From: Deirdre Boyer
But please don't present it as "plain obvious", that everyone who does not agree with you is just a prudish, insecure, probably ugly and jealous woman.


You think they're probably ugly? I don't think so. I know plenty of beautiful women with intense jealousies and other cattiness. They're not jealous because they're ugly -- they're jealous because they're women. It's uncharitable for you to say that everyone who disagrees with me is ugly, though. I wouldn't go that far at all.
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Enabran Templar
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02-08-2006 22:05
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If I said carbon copy goth white girls whoring themselves for loot on cam is like so 1999, that would make me? Oh right, bored.


I wish you would log in again. We miss you. :(
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Torley Linden
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02-08-2006 22:10
^ I do remember one time, at Burning Life...
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02-08-2006 22:18
From: Deirdre Boyer
But please don't present it as "plain obvious", that everyone who does not agree with you is just a prudish, insecure, probably ugly and jealous woman.
Deirdre and Ingrid, you're fighting a losing battle. I honestly don't think Enabran even realizes how patronizing to women and chauvinistic he sounds in some of his posts. I'd block them out if I were you, like I'm doing. :)
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Enabran Templar
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02-08-2006 22:22
From: Beryl Greenacre
Deirdre and Ingrid, you're fighting a losing battle. I honestly don't think Enabran even realizes how patronizing to women and chauvinistic he sounds in some of his posts. I'd block them out if I were you, like I'm doing. :)


Oh, he does, Beryl. I'm feeling pretty condescending at the moment. It's just a bunch of young girls, everyone. Get over it. :)

I just met two of them with Wu and Barnes. Pretty sure this isn'g going to be the end of the world. Just another couple of avatars.
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Torley Linden
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02-08-2006 22:28
O, and to followup, I found out why they're called "Suicide Girls":
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Lianne Marten
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02-08-2006 22:31
Next he's gonna mod the "they" graphic to make it all black and moody.
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02-08-2006 22:31
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elka Lehane
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02-08-2006 22:34
Another AMEN to anything Enabran said.
SG are NOT BEING USED AS SEXUAL OBJECTS. Fgs. These girls (and myself, I will be freaking honest here) are just very open minded and enjoy their sexuality and difference very much, and have no shame taking sets of pictures. THERE IS NO PIMP BEHIND THEM.
If your read about how it started, you'd see it was the girls ideas and they didn't even plan on charging. It jsut grew real fast and as I see it, they actually decided to charge for people to have the PRIVILEGE to see their beautiful natural bodies. And pay all the material it costs them to take these sets... And then business came. Way late.
And I don't see it as those 14 years old "cam girls" who do it with pressure for a pimp, to pay their fake boobs debts. COME ON! That, is, an object.
And I KNOW SEX SELLS. I do. I so do. LOL But I seriously don't think SL did it 100% to get more money and SG either. I think it's just two places where the artistic value is important and that it was therefor bound to happen they'd team up. I don't see SG go to WOW. Duh.
Why some people always think girl + naked = hoe. Jesus if you can't look at yourself in a mirror and think "wow that's hot" and want to take pictues of yourself and share it because your proud of who you are, fine, you really don't have to. But don't go say that the person who do are objects. Some of tem ENJOY what they do and would certainly do it for no $.
I don't mean to say any "sex" is art. There are a TONS of things that I believ are tasteless and disgusting and etc. But certainly not SG. To take Enabran's words again, noone puts a gun to their head, they are NOT desperate. Etc blahblah I could go on forever but there is no point of doing it LOL just had to add my 5cents again.
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Allura Neutra
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02-08-2006 22:34
From: Enabran Templar
Oh, he does, Beryl. I'm feeling pretty condescending at the moment. It's just a bunch of young girls, everyone. Get over it. :)

I just met two of them with Wu and Barnes. Pretty sure this isn'g going to be the end of the world. Just another couple of avatars.


You're a disgusting pig, Enabran. I despise you and your kind. The earth will be a bearable only when all men have been cleansed from its surface.
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