Please Shut Up if you say SL is not a game.

Personally I don't care whether you call it a game, a platform, a second home, a business... hell I've called it all of the above. But I am wondering if you actually can respond to this point....



Someone else asked you to show an example of this actually occuring and you never responded.... can you? I haven't seen much of that. I've seen the back and forth debate enough to be bored with it, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone's valid question completely brushed off because they used the word game. Am I just missing it?

I've actually seen it happen and it is a rather rude and arrogant statement. Unfortch am at work and cannot dig up examples because vigilant coworkers would notice.

By way of your original post, you are the only person around here with his head up his ass.

Go away noob toad.

Briana Dawson

The definition that was used is wrong as opposed to what dictionary meaning? SL is whatever you would like for it to be. It can be apple pie with butter cream filling and a side of milk if you want it to be. Just because someone has a diffrent opinion that you does not make them wrong in stating it. For me SL is pie.

Dude, it's "Steve" now, get with the program.

It is nawt Steve you ignorant sloot, so your argument is not valid. It's Stephen.

Ok, but I'm still calling it "Stephe"

LOL yeah all of us forum readers have seen it from people and Lindens.

My videocard for my laptop, for instance, is not compatible with SL but totally should be by other application standards. As an example I said it works with BF2, Half Life 2.

The reason I used these as an example is because what else am I supposed to compare it to?

Web browsing?

Excel Spreadsheets?

...

Anyways the response to me from a Linden was I couldn't compare video compatibility with other videogames because SL is not a game.

What the hell else am I supposed to compare it to. Every program has an engine, programming that makes it unique. I am not a programmer, but my point was if I can play BF2... there is no reason that SL couldnt work.

That is an example of my only personal experience with that statement and that was awhile ago so that is not the reason I wrote this post.

I wrote it after seeing it in a forum earlier today, thats all. I'm not sure which or I'd link it.... sorry.

oh my god...it's The Quirk

Steve should be part of the advertising of SL

SecondLife: "It more than a game, it's Steve"

How about this for an Novel Idea,
Lets stop trying to define SL.
Like anything else, If you Enjoy being involed in SL, Just do it,
and if you Find you don't enjoy it, Stop doing it.
In either case, defining it will neither enhance nor detract from your experience.

Angel.

P.S.
Telling people who are expressing an Opinion to "Please shut up" Is Indeed Rude, and after a start like that, it would be small wonder if people lent little credence to what followed.

A.

Right when I was beginning to think SL isn't a game, this hero came along to let me know otherwise.

(And felt the need to devote a forum post to letting us all know.)

Pfft.

yeah I've apologized like 3-4 times thoughout this mess in how that was a rude way to begin. I don't expect you to actually really all of the posts in this mess though.

IT'S F'ING STEPHEN DAMMIT.

Of course your vid card didn't work with the spread sheet management tool now known as STEPHEN. Why would you even bring up those games?

I refuse to Spell it with a PH!

STEVEN!

And all the "Cool" kids call it STEVE for short.


God!

Yeah and you felt the need to devote your time to let the guy who started this post know. And then I felt the need to let the guy who felt the need to post about the guy who felt the need to start the post know.

Shad Ap!

Second Life needs a definition so that we can more easily explain what it is to those who ask about it. If I were to tell someone that I'm usually on Second Life most evenings and they ask "What's that?", then I need to have an answer. If I reply "Oh it's this online game that I play." and leave it at that, then they'll be left with a way off-base idea of what Second Life is.

That might actually be OK for some people who just don't understand computers all that well and you don't want to get into it. But, it's misleading for those who would understand.

You know what? It goes both ways. I have seen people dismiss others who believe it isn't a game by saying things like, "If you think SL isn't a game you need to see a psychiatrist!", many times.

The important thing to remember here is that we are dealing with individuals, with individual opinions.

I find it ironic that you are crowing at people about being offended at being told to shut up, when you are offended because certain individuals tell other individuals that it's not a game.

Chill out Turbo. They're just opinions, and as long as those expressing them stay within the forum guidelines, you have no right to demand anything out of them.

All well and good for you in your daily life, but why does anyone have to come to Universal Acceptance on this forum?

Well, it's more than just explaining it to outsiders. It's also helpful to newbies who come to the forums. They'll get accurate information instead of confusion from differing opinions.

In general, it's better to have everyone on the same page. That way we're all consistent and talking the same language.

Is having a clear, universally accepted, definition of what Second Life is a bad thing? If so, why?

Well, they're wrong in saying you can't compare... game or not a game doesn't matter in what you can or can't compare!

But there are differences that should be taken into account in that comparison.

Game use teams of professional artists to create highly optimized content specific to their engine. If they release a 'level editor' to consumers even that will produce checked, tested and then optimized content prior to game play.

It is very difficult for a multi-OS engine like SL to compete in that arena, particularly when the content editor is real-time.

LL is also dealing with IP and legacy. I've no doubt they could make radical improvements on avatar geometry... but break every single garment and skin ever made and/or sold... where in a more traditional shrink-wrap game they can take all their content and port it or re-create it. Not necessarily an option for Linden Lab.

So, perhaps they should have said "SecondLife isn't a single platform completely enclosed engine. Staying on the bleeding edge of performance and feature rich rendering is far more difficult in our case."

If I have time, I've explained that it's an online world where anyone can be and do anything they can imagine -- an airplane pilot, a dragon, a vampire, a business person, a dancer, a fox or a squirrel (or otters, musn't forget the otters) -- thousands of people sharing a world that was built by the users themselves.

About that time their eyes glaze over and I steal their jelly donut.

<Homer Simpson>Mmmmm, jelly donut...</Homer Simpson>

Yes. It does go both ways.

The most irritating way, though, is when people like Mentors cut newbies off and tell them "IT'S NOT A GAME!!!!!!!"

The way you put it it sounds less like a game; rather, it is a game as much as the web is a game, or life.

It can function as a game, but that is not what it is. It can function as a learning tool, but that is not what it is. It can function as any number of things and still not be that thing. To say it is a game is to limit it to what most people consider a game to be. Games have rules and games have limits. You will say, "Second Life has rules and limits as well," but there is a key difference. Those rules are social and legal rules and the limits are entirely technological.