Please Shut Up if you say SL is not a game.

I beat SL.


(The end guy is really hard.)

Listen,

We could talk about all the variables a conversation can have such as "what if they typed it in Chinese, does it apply then?" and other nonsense, but that is rediculous.

What I was referring to is if someone had a good question regarding gameplay (ohh no! I used the "game" term) and is instantly shunned rather than given a good answer.

Listen,

i don't think i'm being ridiculous at all. to "Why are you all so worked up over a game", "It isn't a game <to me>" is a totally valid response.

Yeah and "The Sims" end guy was really hard too!

In case you missed it, your rude tone (and it was rude, not blunt) will tend to derail your otherwise meaningful thoughts on the matter. If you're going to communicate, don't cloud your message with noise.

There are all sorts of games. It's a word with many definitions. For most games on the internet there are rules, goals, rewards and an end point of some sort. There can be rules, goals, and rewards in SL (but no end point) but some people can enjoy SL with only rules and no goals or rewards (other than the enjoyment).

So I think this argument only crops up when people apply the label "game" because there really isn't a more appropriate label for SL. I personally like "toy", but toys are not exactly games either.

It's a game. Like monopoly.Only real money AND you get to play a sexy avatar not an old boot.

Seriously what the other poster says it's what you want it to be. It's a building game to me, but to others it's their business. However isn't LL marketing it as game? A lot of new people coming in see it as a game and they do advertise on MMORPG game sites.

Yeah I agree that to some SL may not be a game.

I'm trying to figure out another way of say "I play SL"

"I use SL?"

...nahh

"I eat SL?"

...lol... umm

"I Abuse SL?"

...when its naughty

"I utilize this program that is named SecondLife?"

... get my pocket protector please.


Nah. I PLAY SL.

(ding, ding, ding)

So you really mean "please shut up if you don't agree with my blanket statements". Got it!

Like masturbation! What's your high score? Do you usually win?

A) Calling SecondLife a game is selling it short.

B) When you call SL a game, people interpret that as "video game".

Point B is very important. Every time you call SL a game you can pat yourself on the back and say "I'm right! It says so in the dictionary!" but the reality is that all you're doing is setting up a false expectation in new users. They come in expecting a video game like experience and get something different.

How many times have you heard people say "I tried that game but it was dumb. There wasn't anything to do!" How many times have you met a newbie in SL who's first question was "Where can I get a gun?" or "Where do I start?". The reason they say these things is because of false expectation. They get frustrated because they thought Second Life *WAS* a game... a video game... and instead it turned out to be something else.

So, the next time you decide to call SL a game, think about all the people who will take that out of context, get frustrated, and leave.

You'll find many aren't here for "1 a (1) : activity engaged in for diversion or amusement".

Some are here because they're hopelessly addicted. Many are here strictly for business. Others use it so they communicate with their friends and family around the world.

Second Life is a tool. It's up to an individual as to how they use it.

You are right "Shut Up" is quite rude and once again if I offended anyone by using those words than I apologize.

This is the problem. LL has came out and have posted that SL is not a game.

Is this because they dont want people to take it lightly as they would with a generic videogame?

I'm sorry. I don't live in SL. I am not physically there. I am at my keyboard. My Avie is in SL.

I'd rather call it a game and a business than virtual dolly dress-up or an interactive chatroom because its beyong those.

When my friends ask me what I'm doing I say "Playin' SL" not "working at my second job"

Sorry, using the term Game only sells it short for those who aren't "Gamers"

Please understand that just because SL redefines what a videogame can be does not mean its not a game.

He did say "Please".



Space

Well, that does have a goal.

What do you say when a friend asks you what you are doing when you are logged into SL.

No I am not talking about SL friends either

You are a tool... lmao sorry couldn't resist.

Yes. Good Point. I agree it is a tool.

Honestly - I say "i'm working" and they ask "at your real job or the other one?" and i say "the other one".

And sorry to get so heated, Johnny, it's just your OP seemed a bit "this is how i see it and so this is how it is" to me. Sorry.

Let me put it like this:

Someone who comes into SL (gamer or non-gamer) expecting a typical video game experience because you called it a "game" is going to be dissapointed. The real world frustration I've seen in people who left SL expecting a game-like experience is the proof that can not be denied.

So what is more important? Calling SL a game and risk giving people a false expectation or calling SL a "metaverse" or "virtual world" so people's expectations are more in line with the world's true nature?

You really say you are working?

I make around (Amount withheld) bucks a month and still to this day it has never felt like work.

I guess I could tell people "I'm working", but I'm afraid the moment I say that I will start to look at SL as a job.

Nahh if you read my post again you will realize I never said "My way or the highway"

I was basically saying don't weasel you way out of someones questions by answering "your questions don't apply because SL isn't a game"

It's funny, because I can't recall ever having sold a business in a game, yet I have here.

It's funny, because I can't recall ever spending many hours of time performing customer service in a game, yet I have here.

It's funny, because I can't recall ever having trained employees on how a gas station works in a game, yet I have here.

It's funny, because I can't recall ever having run a convention of enthusiasts on virtual worlds in a game, yet I've helped with that here.

It's funny, because I can't recall ever having such passionate debate in a game, yet I have here.

It's funny, because I can't recall ever having spent thousands of hours creating content, yet I have here.

It's funny, because I can't recall ever having used Photoshop in a game, yet I have here.

It's funny, because I can't recall ever being able to use a scripting language within a game, yet I have here.

I could go on, but you get the point.

While I'll support anyone who just wants to use SL for entertainment - that's still it's top use, clearly - saying "it's a game and nothing more" is the height of ignorance. I'm sure those who are disabled and have enhanced their social skills and lives as a whole will find your comments downright offensive, and most of us using the virtual world for business purposes will merely smirk, think "wow, another troll!", and move on.

Regards,

-Flip

It is not funny. It's sad that you are that close minded that you actually believe that New Genres of "games" can't be made.

so, so sad.

Some people have to open their minds to the fact that "enjoyment" does not always equal "game".

Close minded? Did you even READ the topic of your thread? Let me remind you, you're the one who said this:

"Please Shut Up if you say SL is not a game."

I'm the one who said this:

"While I'll support anyone who just wants to use SL for entertainment - that's still it's top use, clearly - saying "it's a game and nothing more" is the height of ignorance."

Who's being close minded again? I think it's pretty clear.

Regards,

-Flip

Goes both ways... people on the forum dismiss stuff out of hand because "Chilld dude, it's just a game!"

Sorry, SL is not a game, and I'll return your suggestion to shut up by offering the following comparisons to SL:


Stadiums and Casinos: Venues for games? Yes. Game? No.


Canvas and paint? Artistic medium? Yes. Game? No.


A neighborhood bar? Social scene? yes. Game? No.


The web (or the internet)? Has games? yes. Game? No.


Don't confuse the container with the contents.

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SL is no more a game than a box of crayons.