Please Shut Up if you say SL is not a game.

Let's call it technology.

Grits

He comes correct

Agreed. That is a problem on both sides though. People come in many shapes.

Anyways I'm sorry I made so many folks angry by telling them to shut up. I love playing SL and we can all agree on that ....right?

This debate would have been better and more genuine had I not entered the conversation with "Shut Up if...." but then again I probably wouldn't have had so many passionate responses. I removed shut up from the title.

See everyone in game!

You guys should just have a b-boy battle to settle it once and for all.

Grits

Crazy Legs

Second Life *is* a game. It's an MMO. It is highly diverse, different than anything else out there, and an interesting experiment in social networking, but it is a game none-the-less.

Being addicted to SL does not make it any different than any other game out there.

All of ya shut up, we're calling SL "Steve" now!

Agreed.

EDIT: Also, I second that emotion.

steve the slingshot from Dark Cloud?

as much as "Steve" makes me smile...

i still like what Cybin called it.. umm.. i don't know, a long, long time ago..

Betaverse

not quite this, not quite that.. but it's on the way to something bigger than it is now.


oh, and i won't see anyone "in-game", but i might run into you "in-world".

The URL shows that games can be used to train employees.


Your use of "I've never" implies *nobody would*. At any rate, your original statement is incorrect if it's determined that SL is a game.


So, Rock-Paper-Scissors is "more than a game"? Scrabble is "more than a game"? By your logic, *everything* is more than a game if one person in the history of time has used it to be "more than a game"? And, if *everything* is more than a game, then that distinction becomes meaningless.




Again, your original post intimated that by utilizing a scripting engine, SL transcends game-dom. I presented a counterexample in which an obvious game includes a scripting engine.


Whoa! Hold off on the ad hominems, big guy! I was simply pointing out that although *you* personally haven't done each of the things you originally mentioned, there are many others who *have* done them within the context of a traditionally-defined game. I didn't once mention LL -- I was just rebutting each of your points in turn. Rebut my arguments instead of slinging mud.

You're basically arguing the semantics of your original post now that I've shown that each of the things you've said fall outside the domain of "a game" can be (and, in fact, *are*) done within games. Using the phrase "I've never done such-and-such" and then falling back on "well, I said *I've* never done it!" when it's pointed out that others *have* feels a little too "elementary school" to me.

I won't see anyone 'in world' though.

I will see people in game.

Haha ... its more than a game eh?

Then come up with a new word that means of "More than a game"

"Super Ultra Mega Game?"

or

"Gaaaaaaaaaaaame."

howabout then in the future some jerks will be having the same conversation and say:

"This Gaaaaame has so many features it can't possibly be a gaaaaame"

...






I don't even care anymore.





Haha, you guys still care *points*

Can you please back this up with a quote, amig0? I remember LL saying things like, "If we don't hit any bumps in the road, Havok 2 will be in the 1.7 release", and even "If there are no problems, Havok 2 should be released a few weeks after 1.4". Both of those statements have BIG, BIG if statements in them, and left room for unforeseen circumstances. Obviously, the deep-think problem hasn't been solved by Havok 2, and integrating it correctly is going to be much harder (not to mention untying how Havok 1 is integrated already). I don't remember any guarantees, however; please correct me if I'm wrong.

We demand to know what LL is working on, and ask for estimates...it's not fair to slam them when they're wrong, when what we're asking for is a best-case-scenario guess.

Regards,

-Flip

Just speaking from my arm again. The point is noone, even LL can say for everyone what SL -is.-

They can only speak their veiw, their desire.

Can everybody just please Shut Up now? Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawd.

Shut Up Lo

That wasn't my intent, as I followed up on the next post with. Sometimes getting the right point across in text is difficult - as we all know!

However, I stand by my assertation that your URL rebuttals were mostly stretches - and certainly exceptions to the norm. Most of the URLs articles were written precisely because they're exceptions to the rule, whereas in Second Life, my original assertations are the norm, not the exception.

Most people that regularly say "it's only a game" in this argument do so for two main reasons: (1) to be argumentative and combative; (2) because Linden Lab insists its not a game. Now, you and I know each other and that our opinions and debate isn't that... however, I think we can both agree that is often the goal of the "only a game" camp.

Regards,

-Flip

In response to the original poster:

No.

Also, SL is not a game.

Thank you.

How about calling it a hobby.

Ok thanks... Right when I was beginning to think SL is a game, this angel came down to let me know otherwise... Pfft

I like it... personally I do. Hobby would be a personal opinion though. For me... it is a Hobby, business, etc.

The problem is Hobby doesn't define SL. A virtual world game would probably be the easiest way to describe this game to friends, coworkers, family. Ughh it sounds so much better than glorified chat room.

I know SL is hard to define because it has editing tools in game and people make their own objects, money, etc.

Whatever it is the Gaming Industry has dubbed it a Virtual Life Simulation Game. Thats what Genre it is in.

When we log on we are "playing" our avatar whether we act like ourselves or not.

I think it is the non-gamers that get offended by the term Game, but I'm sure it is across the board.

And people that say "It's more than just a game" are not being realistic.

Games will always be evolving, reinventing themselves and expanding.

I wonder what someone would say if they instantly could go from PONG to The Sims would say. Wow this is more than just a game?

Just because SL pushes the envelope in what you are able to do does not change the definition of Game.

I would think most users in game play for a purpose other than making money.

To them it's either a game or a chat room..... or both.

Cutie pie!!