Please Shut Up if you say SL is not a game.

I said please

You are incredibly close minded about how open-ended Second Life is.

Sorry... could you cite some of these relevant questions that LL has been dodging with this excuse? (did you and I missed it?)

It is a game. I never said it wasn't more than that, but it is a game. If they sold SL at a store. It would be in the game's section... lol yes thats joke.

I'm sorry if that hurts your SL pride but it is a game.

I love SL.

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It's actually not really sad.

Sad is the squirrel I accidentally ran over the other day.

More sad is my friend Craig, who committed suicide rather than face another bout with a debilitating nervous disorder.

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Not sad is Flip not agreeing with you.

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If you start a forum thread telling everyone with a certain point of view that their thoughts are invalid and they should just shut up, you're a troll, so STFU. Thank you and have a nice day.

http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2004/01/ige_buys_yantis.html


http://www.sliceofscifi.com/archives/club_neverdie.html


http://www.paradigmlearning.com/subpages/Zodiak_Game_of_Business_Finance_and_Strategy.asp


www.eve-online.com/fanfest/


http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2005/02/the_right_to_as.html


http://info.there.com/idx/24/0/Developer_Program.html


http://info.there.com/idx/0/142/article/Overview_of_the_Developer_Program.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_Battle#Robot_scripting_language


While I'll support anyone who wants to use SL for business purposes -- something for which can obviously be used -- clearly, just because it *can* be used for commercial purposes, saying "it's a development platform and nothing less!" is the height of hubris. I'm sure those who have used tabletop RPGs to help kids enhance their social skills would find your minimizing of their effects downright offensive, and the many services that are using the online gaming space for business purposes to great effect (powerlevelling and item trade for example) would find your comments naive, and move on.

SHUTUPCHIPPLEASE!

It is extremely important that we sort out this classification issue before we press on to other matters.

Wow how many people missed the point of the topic. Sad is how Hilter almost killed all of the Jews.

I mean, how off topic do we need to get.

I love critism and embrace it. If you read previously you will see I've acknowledged good points that were opposite of mine.

Also, to some it may be a Job, but you then must realize its gamers who also contribute to the economy. If we all made money from SL then no one would really make money off of SL besides the Lindens.

Well, then if you have such difficulty making simple distinctions as obvious as this... I hope you don't pick mushrooms or come in contact with a with a variety of snakes in RL.

(did you even read my post anyway?

HE CAN BE TAUGHT!

A Flowers for Algernon moment, for sure.

I love the "SL is a game because if you sold it in a shop it would be in the games section" argument - aka "CompUSA Knows Best".

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

...it's probably not a game.

A business buying another business. Just like what happening with SLBoutique...nothing to do with it being "just a game."


Again, he wants to operate is as a business, and nevermind he was shown later to be linked directory to P.E. itself. I quote: "I want to operate this thing at the level of a major nightclub in a major city." I've worked for nightclubs, and trust me, definitely NOT a game.


That's got absolutely nothing to do with what I do, does it? How does a board game that helps teach business strategy have to do with me training employees? URLs with little or no meaning do not an argument make.


Again, you're missing the key word: *I*. I'm not a gamer. I never said that people who are into online games don't run conventions, just that *I* wouldn't. I haven't played computer games since, oh, about Ultima VI. Yet, here I am in SL.


Again: *I*. I thought I made it pretty clear that I was talking about personal experience. I reiterate: if one person in the history of time uses something to be "more than a game", then by definition, it is NOT "only a game."


Quoting about another virtual world, There? That just goes to prove my original point even more so. There is also clearly more than a game, although they are more focused on the entertainment sector than SL; perhaps Lewis would find his mecca there (no pun intended).


Apparently I missed the part where I wrote code for this.


Hehehe, nice try Ricky, but your sour grapes are really shining through here. We all know the history of GOM - one of my favorite services - and that you're not happy with LL. Please don't let that affect a reasonable debate with me. I've always said I'll support the use of SL for entertainment, but my beef is with people who troll by intentionally saying, "game, game game"... the same respect hasn't been afforded the other way, and you've been around long enough to know it.

Regards,

-Flip

The last post sounded too cocky - that wasn't my intent. Just for the record...

You play games with ducks? You perv!

Just to get my two cents in, I'm sure you guys can look at my number of posts and date of birth and write me off...

WoW is a game, no argument there.

But people are making money off of it.

So I don't know why SL is considered not a game, just because people are using it to make money. If you put any large amount of people in a given area people will try to profit off of it. I understand that it's not a typical game, there is no end, but that seems kind of trivial. I have tons of points I could make here, but as I was too lazy to actually read the whole thread, I'll just assume they've already been made.

I understand it's new and exciting and completely original (kind of, as original as something stolen from a book can be), but I don't think it's reached the point that, I have no doubt in my mind, it will or something like it will, one day. But right now, it's a game, you can make money and be a furry and kill things and have sex and talk to people and build things and sell them and so on and so forth. I just don't think it's reached the point to where it's something completely different yet.

Just my opinion,

Grits

n00bs don't know anything

Any white wolf larp (storytellers and narrators make goals, but the player can have no goals, and the books have no set goals, only ideas).

GURPS - you can use any setting, any world...or just an open ended rpg like SL.

Who's done that so far?


WoW has levels and gear, too. And everything is pre-programmed by the devs. In SL, nothing is pre-programmed. Virtually everything you see has been created by residents. LL only provided us the platform. Most of the arguments we see that SL is not a game come from those who remember it being more development than game.


Of course. But I would wager that nobody in WoW is making 5 and 6 figures annually from selling magic swords as a full-time job (EDIT: nobody not named "IGN". There are several of those people in SL, however.


It's 3 years old. It's actually older than WoW (Blizzard released WoW in Nov 04 if I recall - SL began in '03).


I differ here - I think the days of SL being 95% development platform and 5% game are over and have been over for most of the year I've been here. I think that a number of events, including the open registration are gradually turning it more toward the game genre. That's not necessarily a bad thing. We survived the Great TSO invasion, we'll survive the Great Freebie Invasion -- both will serve to NOT destroy SL, but to change it.

Change can suck, but it's not always bad.

I set my own goals, do you need everything spoonfed to you?

A) no, its not

b) your point?

I would of enjoyed the game really if we were living in a time where it could actually be what it was meant to be originally, or at least what the original idea was...

There are people making 5 and 6 figures off of warcraft, but yes maybe not as many as there are here. But then again, WoW has sweatshops in thirdworld countries where they pay people to sit all day and level a character, just so the owner of the shop can sell that character at great profit...

Other games have the sweatshop thing going for them too, they escape me now. And plenty of people have dismissed my opinion based on how long I've been in the game, quit acting like everyones as sweet and nice as you.

Bed time I think now.

Same with poker. But they were designed and defined as games.

We can refer to SL as a game out of convenience... like some refer to cattle as 'head' or crew as 'hands'. It's called synecdoche, referring to something by means of it's parts.

But LL owns SecondLife... not us. They define their property as 'not a game, but a platform'. We can quibble that our use of their service/property is game-like, or not, but when it comes to defining what SecondLife *IS* ... well. We don't have the property rights necessary to do that.

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Is a house a home if no one lives there?

(and still waiting for 'Jo Ann' to pony up some of LL's dodged questions. I can call him 'Jo Ann' right? I'm not arguing that 'Johnny Mann' isn't more than 'Jo Ann' after all. )