Xstreet SL and OnRez to Join Linden Lab!

Yep. they're already deleting criticism left and right.

How typical.

I'm guessing this isn't going to be just a name change... if the quality of the service drops at all I'm going to be pissed >.< ...this sucks!

I told Siggy over a year ago that I was no longer having fun in SL, but that I still had fun creating stuff and selling it. I guess this is the end of that era too.


Anyone want to buy a 5 year old account?

LOL I could not have said it better than the very first post.

Can we say "monopoly"?

Can we say "shut out other grids"?

Can we say "Power! More Power!"

Two thumbs down on this news.


*** Just to give an idea... the time stamp on this forum post is "8:57 am". Uhhh, dunno about anyone else's "SL time" but my SL time is currently pointing to 12:57 am. ***

Oh yeah, LL taking over Xstreet should be loads of fun.

i don't like the sound of this at all, i have just canceled both my OnRez and Slex accounts.

Was this really thought out? You have a big decision to make. Your currently ridiculous Classified system is either at risk or going to get a jolt. It will either be ruined by the integration or you will have to piss us all off. SL's Classified system to any logical person is completely unfair and is a total detriment to the whole SL experience. Yet it supplies you with a tons of cash. Do you like this is going to end well for any of us. I think not. Competition is a good thing for customers. You knows this. You could have created your own system. We all know how that would have turned out tho. Apotheus Silverman, why did you let this happen? You know we so appreciated all your work. All of our options were just stripped from us. We feel raped.

LL, do you purposely time things to happen under the most stressful circumstances? Many debacles have been mentioned earlier in this thread. You are loosing touch with what SL is all about or who your market is. Yes SL is growing, but could be twice as big as it is today if you kept your eye on the ball. You spent all this time on Windlight and other stuff which only affects and enhances a small percentage of the population, trying to compete with game worlds. You cant, stop it. If you had concentrated all your efforts into the stability of the grid instead, then we all would be in a better place. When all laptops were made with graphics cards, then that would have been the right time for Windlight. Dont get me wrong, many people love the windlight. Grid stability should ALWAYS be first priority. Evey1 screams about your priorities and this is yet another. Personally, i dont see how you thought selling land was ever going to be a viable long term income generator when there are so many other more creative ways to do it.

Last thing - Xstreet's conversion of lindens into $ to Paypal system is how it should be done. No1 can understand why your system works the way it does. Can you please explain how Xstreet can be so fast and you can be so unbearably slow?

P. S.- This is so a monopoly move and so not the spirit of what we all loved of SL. Its a sad day. Thanks for the heads up and transparency. Oh, and Xstreet's forum is also better. The reason we are so passionate should still show you how much we all still love the ideas of SL. Please, help us not hurts us.

This is a very sad day indeed. I'm going to wear black to express my feelings.

I have months and months of work in OnRez, I don't have months and months to redo all that work so I wont be moving over. This feels like some crazy plot against me, firstly ACS forcefully relocates me because of the issues they are having with LL, and now LL buys OnRez so they can close it down.... that's not a merger, that's paying the competition to cease trading and go away.

I have accessed my OnRez account today only to find it borked... the new header that proudly announces the monopolization of our treasured services has bumped everything down so that we can no longer see or withdraw our funds from the header bar. Anyone know another way of doing it? [found it & withdrawn...thank you for your help]

Just for the record, anyone who knows me will already know this, but I'm not anti-LL, I am just frustrated at all the work that will be lost as a result of this. Any chance LL will want to buy VR designs and save me from my pain?

make no mistake, this is taxation, LL wants any and all fees involved in moving money or property to and from SL ----- taxation in my book.

Just one sentence about this:
I'm not amused ....

Pretty much everything that bothers me about it was already said in all those other posts here!

In the end it will just help LL to make things for creators and buyers more complicated - whilst getting more and more money for it ^^

That they close OnRez is a shame ... adding items there (especially when u have alot to add and take care for) is way easier on OnRez.
The possibility of adding ur alternate accounts AND that u can send 0L items to friends as well is a feature i really appreciate.

On top of that: OnRez doesnt charge fees for selling items there!

In the end i think monopolise is what describes best what LL is doin ... why else buy two great systems to close one and prolly bork the other ... and raising fees at the same time ^^

I will talk with my business partners about it - and decide if we will go on listing items on SLX at all then ...

(english is not my native tongue - so forgive me grammar mistakes and a possible lack of eloquence ^^)

Robyn

I am really concerned if all the Merchants on Xstreet will not be victim in the future of another price hike concerning the fees on Xstreet. Over the last year i got more and more cautiously and disappointed about SL and LL. All those 'new shiny things and projects' seemed to cause more trouble as benefits. Let me remind you all on the VAT which where slapped on for all others, then the recently open sim destroying price hike, im really already waiting for the fact hat we Merchants have now to pay more for having a business...

So disappointing that all...

3 words - Interest bearing accounts.

your 20 bucks might not seem like much until its added to a few hundred thousand others 20 bucks....... not to mention that a lot of folks might be waiting on considerably more than 20 bucks...

To this day it's been the only reason that makes any sense at all.

Taxation without representation - well that would be a naughty thing in a country... but I guess this is a video game after all

Just putting it out there for those that swallowed the kool aid about 'virtual countries' and 'platforms' and all that rot over the years.

You're right there Siggy. A few million bucks over a few days can generate quite a bit of interest. It all adds up.

BTW, anyone notice how many NEGATIVE responses there are to this move. Wow. Right or wrong, does LL realize what this indicates as to their current level of customer trust and loyalty? LOL. Their customer loyalty is in the crapper.

How typical of LL. Buy out both, shut down the more functional, feature laden free service with empty promises of replacing discontinuing features... with something else... at some point... maybe. Nevermind that they pooped all over the work that merchants put into onrez listing hundreds, possibly thousands of items with less than a month to migrate. Another poorly thought out plan that leaves the sellers scrambling to adjust.

If you wanted to do this right, you would have these features in place as well as some sort of migration tool BEFORE you announced the buyout, and most certainly before you axed onrez! This just reeks of nickel and diming and a big eff-you to the content creators on the grid.

Welcome, CHUCKMATRIX Clip.
You last visited: 01-01-1970 at 12:00 AM

Anyone else see the problem with that little tidbit I copied from the top of my screen??? Apparently I visited here before I was born, and before SL ever came close to existing. Yeah, and this is from the people who are going to improve and streamline Xstreet SL.
What we have to look forward to: Weekly crashes during the times of highest traffic and sales, loss of inventory with no compensation, failed deliveries due to database problems that the technicians are investigating, and I'm guessing here... failed transactions, that take your money but don't give it to the payee.

Well, it is nice that SL acquired SLex. None of this matters unless the real problem of the inworld search engine gets fixed in the manner I prescribed in JIRA ticket https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2685. The changes weren't made, and as a result, Second Life LOST one of its finest furniture stores.

That's because CRAP stores keep showing up near the top of the "ALL TAB." while some superb stores were lucky to be listed in the top 10 pages. I pleaded with the "searchfeedback" team for almost a year to make the needed change, and nothing got done. Therefore, I, Pilgrim Proost SHUT DOWN "Prooster's furniture," which featured designs by some of SL's most renowned builders. Then I sold my land, and downgraded my account to a freebie account, after having invested over $6,000.00 USD in SL to build my enterprise.

SL lost one of their biggest fans and champions, and I haven't been back in almost a year. Then out of the blue, I get this EMAIL informing me that they bought SLEX????? Are you kidding me? I think I better get an EMAIL requesting my advise on how to REVIVE the SL economy before I get informed that they made an inconsequential (and probably desperate) acquisition!!!

So, I'm really happy they bought SLex. Whoop whoop. How about going and looking at the real solution, SVC-2685, and implementing that change, then you can email me.

PILGRIM GDMFing PROOST

I'm afraid thats all we are going to get, more empty promises, more skimming off the bottom line, more pain for the merchants, more reasons for the grid to bork up cause not onlu will the server systems have to support the grid and the site, its also gonna have to support the extra database overhead of XStreetSL.

Linden Labs are acting like IBM did in the early 80's, bludgeoning their way through the competition, not caring about the massive holes in their technology or their declining reputation within the customerbase.

If people are wondering WHY I’m worried about the Teen Grid, it’s because this account is a TEEN GRID ACCOUNT yes that right, Teen Resident on the MG Forums :O The outrage (lol?)...

Anyway, basically what happened was my account was hacked, fraudulent charges happened, LL disabled my account for fraud team investigation, blah blah blah, I got a refund, the hacker is banned, and I somehow ended up on the MG forums. I've told LL support about it a few times, all of which I was told "yeah, I’ll put in a order for it now, it seems the last person didn't" well obviously you didn't either, cause I’m still here!!!

Any who, maybe, going and buying anymore companies, fix the problems you currently have LL...the TG Economy is in turmoil, and well, its shattering =/ As a Teen Grid Estate Owner (Haven, my class 4 beauty <3, and its USD$1500 price tag D:), and a store owner (Atticus Tech <3) my sales both for products and land have decreased dramatically, heck...before I got my sim, land on the TG was averaging about L$2.0/sqm, now that I’ve put all my land at L$1.4, its really lowering the price...but I’m STILL seeing a price decrease, it’s not fair to Estate Owners no matter what grid. LL, we are the ones who keep YOU in business, we are the ones that are paying YOUR salaries, we buy theses sims from you, pay you for them monthly; and then you turn around and go buy out more companies so you can create a SL Monopoly (I wonder what the US Government would say, they don't like monopolies :O), instead of upgrading us to a better server? So much for one region per server, I’ve been reading around here, and noticed that there is more than that on one server! Is this why you raised the price of Openspaces, not just so that you could lose more customers? Not just because people were abusing the servers you’re already overcrowding? No you raised the prices not for any of the above, but so you could buy out more companies not better servers or database software...

Great way to run a business whose 'motto' is "Your world. Your imagination" well your kind of hindering both with the fact that my sim is probably on the same server as 3 others, so I’ve had to piss off my renters with a lag reduction act, limiting their use of scripts because we've had such bad lag, that we have had to restart the region at least twice a week so far. Nothing else is causing it, we've troubleshot everything.

Now that I’ve gone WAY off topic, I’ll go back to my original question; will this be open to Teen Grid Residents as well? This would REALLY help our economy, and will probably make you guys more money to! Higher salaries, doesn't that sound like a good deal?!?!?!? (Don't get any ideas like charging L$10 per page view, I’m saying allow teen grid residents then wait for the L$ flow to increase, and then eventually the spending...)

Oh, also when can I have that transfer back to TG forums >_> I really miss LL not including us in anything…

That’s MHO, and well my rant for the day! Cya :D

Hmm.
This is what happens if nobody trusts a company anymore.
Linden Lab built their own graves.
It is unwise to buy both applications out at this time
I cant understand the owners of Xstreet to actually let that happen

We'll see how linden lab messes it up again.
Maybe its time for others to buy a new application, like xtreet ?

In the last half year, SLEX (as XStreet was called before they renamed it a few months ago) was about the only thing for me around SL that was working reliable and stable.
No displays staying grey, a good support, and a good service.

That's why many residents do not use the online shops any more and move to the good ol' website. Is that the future of SL, back to web 1.0?

Now, after LL bought it, I am concerned that they will extend their standards to XStreet: bad performance and FU-support.

Once again I am happy I see SL only as a game.

I 100% agree Proxima, on every count. Maybe 110%.

There is nothing good in any of this. Corporate promises mean nothing from a company that has failed to keep its promises in the past.

When are they going to start charging VAT on Xstreet to European customers?

bow down to them or they will ban you.... LL when are you going to learn ... CUSTOMERS keep you in business... WITHOUT CUSTOMERS YOU WON'T EXIST!!!!!!! Learn Customer Service .... and for M Linden who do you think you are ??? Just cause you're a linden employee you can do whatever you want to whom you want??? i've sat back and watched you delete and edit people's post for awhile... and i've had it with your actions ... you are NOT GOD... and don't come back with any of your sarcasm either... like trying to act like you had to do it to keep some bad language out blah blah yeah ok maybe occasionally but not from some of the people that i've seen you deleting/editing posts from... Get a Life and Grow Up learn REAL CUSTOMER SERVICE>>>> and go ahead and EDIT THIS or DELETE IT... or try to bring some form of punishment on me for simply speaking the truth and pointing out the obvious cause if you try i'm going to love my next LEGAL MOVE!!!
For elka Lehane, Jonquille Noir i feel your pain too.... and every move LL makes sickens me too.... they have never learned anything but how to run things further into the ground...

My fundraiser alt got an email about this merger, why ? well I am guessing it is because I signed her up with Onrez ( the avatars were cute) all the info was so sweet and market worthy, but where was MINE. I am a premium account holder, I have accounts with both slx and onrez, that account does too, but why the special treatment.

Shouldn't this email be going out to ALL Residents ?



Dear Xstreet SL user:

On January 20, Linden Lab, creators of the Second Life virtual world, announced that it acquired the Xstreet SL marketplace. We wanted to write to you today to address any concerns you may have and to discuss the benefits this move will offer to all Second Life users, existing Xstreet SL customers or otherwise.

Fairly early on, Linden Lab saw the inherent value that a web marketplace offers to buyers, sellers and content creators. After watching this industry grow, we recognized that the reach of these services would be greatly improved if they were integrated directly into the Second Life experience. Xstreet SL offers an incredibly advanced, flexible and functional e-commerce platform, and Linden Lab will be leveraging that technology to build out its own marketplace moving forward. This will create one centralized marketplace for all Second Life goods, which will greatly improve search, help drive traffic to inworld stores and enable merchants to market their products to a global audience.

Okay, so now you’re thinking, “sounds nice and all, but what does this mean for me?”

Since we’ll be using the Xstreet SL platform moving forward, very little will change for you in the near future. You can continue to purchase items just as you have and your current listings will be there today just like yesterday. For information on what minor changes we’ve had to make immediately, please see our Acquisition FAQ.

In the longer term, we have plans on how we can better integrate Xstreet SL directly into the Second Life experience. As we move forward with the integration, we’d love to hear your thoughts in the forum on how the Xstreet experience can be improved and what features you could use that currently don’t exist. Your commitment and ingenuity have enabled Xstreet SL and the industry as a whole to grow to this point, we sincerely hope you’ll continue to play an integral role in this next stage.

Visit Xstreet SL Now!

To learn more, please see our:

Press Release

Merchants and Shoppers FAQ

Acquisition FAQ

Blog Post

Forum


Sincerely,

The Linden Lab Ecommerce Team

I was going to say that too but glad you did.

It seems to me at least to be the place to goto for all the none payment on accts that have copybot or ripped someones textures/skins with software or just plain reselling another work period.

It has always put me off that, I know the team at XStreet used to be on the ball with DMCA issues and I liked the convenience of actually being able to email them instead of faxing or posting so I guess thats going to go.

I dont envy LL there is a LOT of stolen content on XStreet and I really hope the sellers who get caught get a warning on their SL accounts just as if they would in SL.

Xstreet seemed to get overwhelemed with content theft and couldnt cope with the shear volumes of complaints and DMCAs..not at easy task..they would of needed a DMCA team and I think they only had one poor guy.

I like this idea I trust SL/LL in this. Really I think the "pull" was the L$ that was being sold through Xstreet as in someone selling their L$ there instead of Lindex.
I suspect LL realise they were missing out on a % of L$ exchange from ppl who sold their L$ via XStreet and this was at least one of the reasons LL wanted in.

Yes its monpolising.. but you have to ask if LL approached you with a good strategy and price I think you would sell too what ever it was.

LL arent moving into the Content Creation side of things. They are just controling it just as they do in SL...
Funny, when I moved to SL I came from There.com and the first thing I said was

" I miss the auction...it was convenient "

I was surprised LL hadnt done this themselves and thats another point, they could of at any time.. launched their own linked auction site and then people would accuse them of "competeing against the content creators"

Seems LL cant do right for doing wrong.

Bottom line, I am now interested in displaying on Xstreet for the first time..

I think its actually the right thing to do for LL.. to umberella companies like this makes sense.