Xstreet SL and OnRez to Join Linden Lab!

Yes, they still have to understand that running SL is like being parents to children. You have to be in control, but still manage to make them feel they are doing something "out" of it and a little "rebel-ish" sometimes if they want to make them happy.
Having the control on everything doesn't feel like freedom, and freedom is what we come for in this virtual world. Not so virtual anymore, I guess. By making such bold moves, such big merges and disclaimers, they piss and scare people. Cuts the creativity, gets whiners, leavers... Such a mess can't do too good. They have never considered doing things smoothly and this is what what harms us, me, you, them, everyone.

You're all dreaming if you think LL will allow competing systems to remain...thats why they bought TWO businesses and are already announcing the imminent closure of one. Then they will remove or bork any others.
One word - MONOPOLISE

I would also like to know if USD transfers to Paypal from Xstreet SL will remain instant. Being from Europe I really value the instant transfers - that way I can immediately take advantage of a favorable USD/Euro exchange rate whenever applicable, which is not possible at all when using the Lindex and having to wait for 1-2 weeks for a transfer to go through - and I know of many other people from non USD countries who feel exactly the same way.

In addition I so dislike losing my reliable (!) Onrez inworld vendors, they were great for setting up new store locations instantly - extremely easy to set up, new packs created in minutes etc, and it's sad to realize that all the countless hours spent listing were in vain after all...

While I'm sure that this is not going to happen - wouldn't it be possible to let Onrez continue at least for another couple of months, until a vendor system like the current vendors are available?

Both sites have their advantages (both for buying/selling) so I'm sad to see one go and the other one (likely) to change...

Ok when are they gonna implement VAT then on items sold on xstreet ?
As someone sayed before, fix your sl physical issue's and stuff that doesn't work.
They wanna have it all i geuss to mess up.
If someone creatif just creates a new kinda xstreet, would be a great plan.
Anyway after 2 years off sl i had it. I was building off sl, selling my property.
By taking over xstreet is for me the confirmation that i made the right decision.
It even strenghtens me to leave sl far behind.
Sl is a technical mess, Try to script or make a vehicle cross sim borders, they are propelled sky high. Even when then implemented mono.

Anyway have a candy stick and suck on it will you figure out how you made a mess off xstreet. How you can solve issue's not realising that you create new issue's and that it goes from bad to whorse.
Did Obama not sayed that greed is old time behavior ?

OMG is am a bit frustrated, anyway hasta la vista. I have new fronteers that awaits me.

Personally I'm struggling to maintain open mind about this. But the only question bouncing around my head is "How much are they going to charge us merchants?" I have a main store, a few small satellite stores, and some mall spots in world but the mass of my sales come from xstreetsl.

Is there any information you that you can give us about how you're going to make money off of our items? I'm not saying that it's wrong for you to do that. Xstreetsl took a commission fee out themselves.. But how is that going to change in the future?

As for the roundtable chats mentioned on the F&Q page.. How are we, the public, going to be notified of these meetings?

I think you'll also find part of the frustration (and I know this to be true first hand for Jonquille) is the sheer VOLUME of work put in. Currently over 2200 items listed on onrez currently for Jonquille alone. Many other creators with similiar volume.. they now have a month to relist all this... by hand?

I do think that seeing how many creators were personally approached at SLB's inception to support it and help it become a success - I certainly agree with the frustration, and support wholeheartedly folks who feel this way...

Yah - I have several folks who I count as friends (and you know who you are) that date back to those birthing days - so I'll also add a 'shame on you....' to that - take the lewt and pray to god you don't offer me a beer this year at SLCC.

Yeah thats is LL, buy out the competition so your stinking useless servers can struggle even more when xstreetsl and onrez come on board.

When the move takes place you will have a stranglehold on the linden market, any lindens that might have been going Xstreet's way are now going into the pockets of lindens labs WHO DO NOT CARE for thier merchants...

that s a taste choise.. i dislike onrez look..

and "up to date" is allways bound with time kitch..

i prefer out of time.. that s what slx is..

surely i m not alone to think same, look at booth sites.. slx wins in all, customers, sellers..
that s not coming from nothing..

As someone who chose Onrez for ease of use and lack of fee's, I find myself feeling rather put out by this act of greedy monopoly by LL. I am greatly disappointed. At the lack of competition in the marketplace this will cause. At the /RL/ time and effort that I put into setting up my Onrez vendors that is now wasted.

Now to hear they'll be closing out this very user friendly, free sight is upsetting. I don't believe I will be the only merchant to either try to find another free service or simply pack up as a merchant rather than move to the now LL controlled Xstreet where they have a poorly made user interface and charge a commission.

From the overwhelming tide of negative comments, can't LL see that this is /NOT/ a good plan? Even on Xstreet, when they put a poll asking what the users thought of this change, they responded by a huge percentage that they DID NOT LIKE IT.

I do not want empty promises from LL that this will be better. What I have on Onrez right now works VERY WELL. Haven't any of you ever heard of the expression 'If it isn't broken, don't fix it!'?

Well I used to be friends with many and some of the people you are kind of mentionning. And I always knew and felt the LOVE LL AND WILL LICK THEIR *BEEP* IF WE HAVE TO so I'm sorry if you are surprised, I ain't. HOWEVER............................ I don't even think this has something to do with that weird taste of their. Do you seriouuuusly beleive they had the choice?!?!!!! Monopolization doesn't come with "click yes or no". It's more like that that money, that slap, and leave... No?

Funny... I see you quoting me, but not my original message that said all that. Go figure.

Not so funny, they have actually deleted 2 of my messages. They are moderating it right now, live as we speak. Anything a little rought and unruly goes bye bye.

Oh, just wonderful. I used xstreetsl's currency exchange to avoid paying LL a SINGLE SOLITARY CENT through lindex on account of the way you NEVER FIX ANYTHING and the way SL is having asset server and data base issues EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.

And now once again I see that LL's attention has been focused on things better left alone while your users suffer, inventory vanishes, newbs uninstall your client with disgust and everything goes to hell in a handbasket.

Well well! I had replied to that, but moderators didn't enjoy my reply. Even if I didn't name names or I didn't write bad words. I guess sometimes the truth hurts too much. So I will leave that thread be and hush. It's useless anyways, woopeedoo!

I haven't read all the responses, but to answer the "how the Xstreet experience can be improved and what features you could use that currently don’t exist".

Vice-versa, might that not read "how the SL experience can be improved?"

Please bring the customer service of XSt to SL.

Please bring the speedy payout of XSt to SL.

Please bring the ability to search with "" and + AND sort by price or perms or prims or whatever to SL.

Please bring the reliability and up-time of XSt to SL.

Please bring the functioning forums to SL.

Wouldn't that be wonderful?

Yeah, I got a question.
What are my other options?

Siggy had been right there beside or behind me as I always did the "Let me just finish listing these items" stall, and we'd been late for movies, dinners, or just even watching TV shows together because of that. If SL thinks I'm going to go through the trouble of relisting over 2000 items on some new system, they are sooooooorely mistaken.

I sincerely hope they will not adapt the search on slx and onrez to match their oh-so-wonderful new search inworld. Constant clicking back and forth is annoying and far too time consuming. Why did they change that it the first place? The implementation of the new search was the reason why I started using slx more frequently when I was looking for a specific product. There I found what I was looking for, whereas with the inworld search I eventually gave up and did not buy anything at all. LL, please don't touch that, please don't "improve" that search the way you "improved" your inworld search.

I'm not sure if this has been addressed or not but I think it's extremely relevant.

As SLX, Apotheus has had an extensive reputation of banning anyone who's been critical of how he's run the site. Including people who've shared such criticism on third party sites unaffiliated with his.

I was one such person who had my access to SLX revoked when I complained, on a third party forum, of his behavior.

The FAQ says if I'm using OnRez I'm expected to move my stuff over to SLX-- great, as of this moment, my ability to do so is still disabled.

Is LL going to require these bans be revoked, and if so, will this be done in time for the migration or not?

Also, to what extent is Apotheus going to be involved in operations of this? If it's a relevant percentage, I'd like to know, so I won't bother migrating my assets over at all. A lot of us have grave issues with him and doubt his integrity, and I have no interest in utilizing any new systems LL provides for this if he's going to be at the helm.

Thank you.

This is exactly what I see coming. Content creators fills out holes in SL that LL doesnt. Then LL takes it over when the hole has become popular.

WOW. What is next income tax?

Just look to several already deleted messages in this thread - I think they'll be maintaining this 'feature'

Hahah.. that's basically what I was saying earlier on in the post...

sample responses to this HORRIFYING NEWS:

[0:42] Nadir A: this is the worst thing to happen to me
[0:42] Nadir A: in the history of SL

[0:43] Rolland M: GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
[0:43] Rolland M: They better not privitize that shit
[0:44] Rolland M: What the hell was the XStreet owner thinking!


[0:43] Tidus P: what....
[0:43] Tidus P: omg >.<
[0:43] Tidus P: NOOOOO
[0:43] Tidus P: WHYYYY
[0:43] Tidus P: now they are gonna fucking break that too -.-

I don't know a single person who is happy about this.

I'm sure this is the phrase they use in the LL boardroom: "There's GOLD in them thar hills!"

Look on the bright side though -- it's been almost three months since their last dreams-crushing move... now that they've dropped this on us today, we might get 3 months before the next dream-crushing announcement.



-Atashi