Xstreet SL and OnRez to Join Linden Lab!

Free speech is gone, I know only 3 other places who do censorship posts, China, Russia and Norhth Korea and of course Second Life!!

Also the customer support which was good on Xstreet will be bad from now on

Ohh, forgot, they will soon tell us we abuse the system as there are too many sales and they need to increase the commission on them.

Why do i take the time to write his, will be deleted anyway!

You would support this considering your lack of ethics in taking advantage of people trying to sell their land and making mistakes. You still owe me 15k linden for the land you stole when I was combining it and laughed in my face when I tried to explain to you what happened.

Hello there!

To clarify, nobody is deleting people's views from being expressed in this forum thread. However, you may see that some posts are edited to remove abuse and/or swearing and/or threats. Similarly some posts may be completely removed if this is all they contained.

So LL is going to mess that up as well, as if their time wouldn't be put to more use fixing the current problem isl, instead of just dealing with the symptoms. *sighs heavily*

There quick on removing things that they don't like, but they are quicker doing things we don't like I love that.....ah, the smell of a dictatorship.

I WAS a member of SLExchange until i got my account taken off for a miscommunication effort. I am not able to create an account of SLExchange which is why i used OnRez.

What will this mean for us that have been banned from listing on Xstreet. Will this be lifted since it will have a new owner. If not...then this is VERY bad business for me.

How will LL handle OnRez accounts members that can not list or have been banned on Xstreet?

Mathew, you forgot that LL is an american compagny, USA have as much cencorship as the above

Another thing, that really worries me is, that the slowest website ever seen is www.secondlife.com , so they'll probably also ruin XstreetSL, which have allways been a smooth site, only closed for business every time SL is down.

Well.. I normally don't post in blogs or forums, just read them. If LL had a better track record am sure people wouldn't be so upset with their take over. I for one, get a bit tired of things shoved down my throat under the guise of, "it will make things better" while things slowly get worse. I am a merchant at both sites and will miss the ease of the vendors and free listings at OnRez. I can't help but wonder if LL already charges us a 10L fee to upload in world, what will be the fee to upload our listings in xstreet?? Might not happen right away.. but trust me... it will happen eventually. I have family that have been with SL since it started and shortly after it started... and because LL does what it wants when it wants, you have lost manyyyyyyyyy of your original supporters.. they feel their time and money is wasted with a company that won't provide decent servers, customer service, nor seems to remember that without the business owners, sim owners, land owners, etc.. it would just be a world of alts running around griefing.
It would also be nice to have an SL without all the bells and whistles for those of us that just want to load inventory, create things, sell them and enjoy the wonder of it all.. without voice, without wind light and without media. Not all of us want nor can afford a system that constantly requires more and more resources just to run SL.

okay so that's a nickels worth.. sue me for the extra 3 cents

Love how there is time and people to monitor the forums but no time to answer questions FROM YOUR CUSTOMERS that directly relate to their business, hardwork, time, effort, energy, and funds? True customer service at its finest.

Matthew,

I dont think you are on top of things, so many posts have been deleted or threats been just closed and to be honest I really dont like that.

Let people make their own mind, even if some bad language is written in a post, delete the bad words and make a mark why do did it. I do think SL users are mature enough to make they own mind about a post which has false information in it. Deleting stuff is really something which makes a company look bad and leaves a bad feeling with the customers.

I think that was bad choice.

Look; you already have a list of ALL content in Second Life (virtual world - trademark etc.). To these, names, descriptions and prices can already be attached. The smart thing to do would have been to expand the description field, add a "Category" field to all content, and allow images to be attached (possibly auto-generated by rendering the object against a plain background). Add web search and a web interface for delivery, and you've got a better platform than XSL or OnRez.

If you were worried you'd be seen as crushing the competition, how about adding things like allowing tracking of whether items arrive okay. Ideally, allow the magic boxes to create transactions, set the items and L$ to be exchanged, and then the transaction happens or doesn't. Users log in and are offered the items they've requested at the price they agreeed to pay, and just have to say Yes/No to complete.

This is my question too.

I think the next person who approaches me for -any- help in SL is going to be met with a swift kick to the virtual nuts. In RL, I'll give to charities, to homeless people, to foundations, of course anything having to do with animals at all, ...
But for SL... never again. I'll give what I receive.

I've been involved with Relay For Life in SL for years now, and it's always been very fulfilling, but now... I just don't trust anything SL says. I'll turn my support back to RL, and SL can kiss my arse.

Because telling someone to 'shove it up their arse' (the beer enema) is a 'threat'....

If I'd said 'I'd punch your lights out' - I could understand that.

But 'stick it'?

hmmmm

Btw while you're here - do you feel like getting someone to address the Xstreet->Paypal vs Lindex concern?

Lillybeth, you would know about a lot of stolen content huh. lol I find it funny coming from you, who has been the focus of many many stolen textures, you with your funny little notecards threatening people with legal shmegal stuff if they steal "your" textures. lol

It seems already the xstreet-site is breaking down, timing out all the time with a 408 erorr. Great move LL!

I dont know how to respond to this, xstreet and shoponrez always were seperate with seperate rules and especially . different earnings for us ..
As it seems LL will continue more with Xstreet then Shoponrez because Xstreet costs us money to sell and Onrez dont .. ?!?

Lets just hope our costs to sell on Xstreet doesnt increase and with OUR money they earn keep the quality of LL and Xstreet continue to grow (something they still cant with SL inworld experiances)

Will Apez.biz also be inclueded and Metamart ? probably not as those 2 also dont take a % our earned money from the sales .. Onrez should have been wiser to as I believe.. but maybe now those 2 will grow more as an alternative to xstreet and onrez..

Anyway .. again .. this is not a *what do we all think about it* and *should we do it or not* .. its a stated fact .. so all we write here are just words .. nothing will change this fact anymore or LL wouldnt have taken the step to write all merchants and sellers..

It hasn't been OUR world for a long time.. and as it seems it continues to this .. sadly

Lets just hope that the customer service of Xstreet doesnt flow into the customer service SL gives us .. as that would be REALY bad .. !!!

Good luck to all !!
Carel

I am, as an OnRez and XStreetSL merchant, VERY ANGRY THAT LL HAVE DONE THIS TO US.

How dare they remove content creators independance from LL - the whole idea of trusting xstreetsl and onrez is THAT THEY WERE NOTHING TO DO WITH LINDEN LAB.

I WOULD NOT TRUST LL TO DEFEND MY RIGHTS AS A CONTENT CREATOR ANY FURTHER THAN I COULD PEE AGAINST A FORCE NINE GALE.

I will now be leaving XStreetSL and OnRez and looking for a new third party web merchant.


Pol McLaglen

Sadly Siggy...they will continue to ignore the real issues, and flaunt their power. Just as they have in the past.

Hello T and Colossus,

LL bought a big responsability now over xstreet. This can work, and I hope it does, and yes I agree its just fair to pay for a quality service. But we hit the same mistake over and over: everyone knows SL and xstreet is flooded with stolen content, sold full perms, and the buyers sells it again and/or change a bit and resell. Original creators cant keep on with that, in 1 afternoon someone's alt sells 100 boxes of full perm skin templates of his skins. These 100 sells more 100, oh is it 10.000 people already? 10.000 dmcas? It is not working! PLEASE would someone be kind enough to tell me what improvements are going to be enforced in that subject, or if its going to stay the same?

"To whom much is given, much is required." — John F. Kennedy

Good luck!

Recently i came across the Metalife system. They have a great METAkiosk and can purchase off a great METAhud system. I have met the creators personally and they have a good thing started. You can edit thru a website and have ideas of purchasing off the website. So give them some support and maybe we'll get some of our options back. These guys deserve the cash and have meetings with merchants for input all the time. Check them out.

1. It never ceases to amaze me how a simple imformative thread in the forums becomes a keyboard Rambo revisited thread.

2. My only fear would be the issues that arose in the past sometimes, mysteriously dissapearing $L. Otherwise I think its a wonderful idea anddddd SL has come a far way in improving it platform and stability. Maybe try to improve patience. Over 1.5 million per few months is alot to handle, nevermind the load we "each" put on SL will all our bling bling and boom boom, what have you. Excellent job LL, you've come a long way

amen to that !!

Its been like that since it started for us.

We are on page 25 believe I beleve. Actually no, when it first came out we were on page one for a while.. 2 weeks..

We have 7,000 vendors, 70,000 txtrs all vendor set to show in search, traffic around 9k daily ( no bots or campers etc ) so we "should" be nr the front technically.

Wrote to Search feedback twice, and got given generic advise which we already knew about but did what they suggested anyway dropped 200 prims with the words Texture on them set them all to search...made no difference

Started a " place us in your profile picks " promotion......made no difference.

There are rented 100 prim stalls selling " full perm Business in Box textures " with 4 boxes of SL txtrs higher up the list than us! lol Its insane!

Our store at Bay City ( traffic around 150 with the exact same vendors as the main store but only 70 vendors ) is higher up the list than our main store! lol ( a sim sized store btw! )

Its insane shows NO logic and I have come to the conclusion its a conspiricy ...to support the underdog..

Someone said to me they thought LL did it this way to give the "under dogs" a chance so the stores who already have good traffic and word of mouth customers generally are held back on the new search listings.
And the smaller 60 vendor store gets a chance of being seen.. thats great and all in perfect world but business and competition isnt perfect...

Its LL way perhaps of making sure the L$ sales are more evenly spread so to avoid certain companies from monopolising....oh wait! lol isnt that what LL are doing

LOL I dunno I am past the point of caring about new search..thank God we have a good word of mouth reputatation and have been around long enough to not totally rely on new search...

Sadly I personally give LL around $1000 a month in fees in one thing and another...thats more than ANY other service I pay for in my RL.

I expected a lot more actual support when I am paying them to run a business on their platform for issues that have a direct effect on my business...

I got no where...fast.

Tons of support tickets, 2 conversations with LL staff on the phone about it, and 2 letters to Search feedback...and we are still on page 25 lol

My curiosity is what you intend on doing about banned accounts by the old SLX staff that were made from the forums that inevitably lead to entire accounts being banned. Frankly the staff at SLX were at times abbrasive to say the least and established a tone that lead to many people mirroring the amount of respect that was used in a forum> Not only speaking from personal experience but from reviewing page upon page of the interactions between the old admin of SLX and its "members".

On many occassion you can see in the SLX forums that the SLX staff.... (unless those posts have suddenly disapeared) conduct themselves questionably, allow certain behaviors, condone certain actions, bans others, but more over sometime even set the atmosphere for the forums. In other words when their staff was left to conduct themselves in inappropriate ways in the forums and members conducted themselves the same they were banned.

At times people were banned for just cause based on the TOS of the forums. At other times they seem personal. I say personal because I've seen the admin staff of SLX do similar things in general conversations that were either equally as rude or with the same tone.

My concern is when a staff that conducts them selves in such a way bans someone from a forum, is it even fair to ban them from the other part of the site as well? I suppose you can say yes they can do what they want its their web site. But I think the responsibility shifts now.

In the interest of fairness I have the hopes that LL will rectify some of the mistakes and wounds that SLX have created thoughtout some of the SL community by its actions against its "members". I might also add members who were also merchants who made a decent amount of lindens and trade on the site and also had the commission taken out of their sales. It just doesn't sit well in the eyes of any consumer to see the operators of a site or business tromp through its members discussions and insult, or make inappropriate comments that aren't professional.

For myself I was banned from the forums for what I considered personal reasons from a private conversation I had in email, and in secondlife. I was told through email even that the situation that lead to my banning in a forum was handled inappropriately and shouldn't have taken place. Yet I was still banned based on the notion that the staffs decisions would always be supported. I was told my private conversations inside sl were reviewed by the staff. (a violation of the tos in SL) and a decision was made. Thats how things work in the real world and I can understand that. But my conversations or questions made to staff inside SL and comments made back and forth on a personal level between that staff member should never play into account whether or not I'm banned as a merchant on a website. My entire account was canceled due to personal issues between me and a couple of the staff who handled the forums on SLX. My partners account was also removed with no answer to why. She wasn't even involved in the least. She has actually had no contact with any of the staff at all except when she contacted them to ask why she couldn't log into SLX. It really made us both question if LL was even watching how SLX treated its merchants, members and customers. I was kind of happy at that time that LL had nothing to do with them as it reflected extremely bad on SL based on the fact that SLX associated themselves with SL constantly.

I think now that this transition is taking place that my account and others should be reinstated. Not because I say so. But because its the fair thing to do in an open market. You will never have a fair and balanced market with the ability to compete with the other merchants if you don't start by treating people fairly. I for one was treated unfairly. My account griefed by someone repeatedly which I had to report, my personal questions and conversation inside SL shared amongst staff, I can provide information about any incident in detail to any concerned party as well. I offered to do that when I was told by a junior staff that I was banned as well. Parts of this may be my opinion but I don't see why I shouldn't be able to continue to do business on a site just because I was banned from a forum.

I heard someone say today that it smells of antitrust issues, and fair trade, and bouts of favortism or something or other. I honestly don't have any clue what any of that means really. All I know is that there were many situations that were handled very unprofesssionaly in my view and hope that it changes in the future.

The people of SL can hope that with LL in control of the site now that it will be handled professionally and fairly.

Thanks..

Loki Ball