Xstreet SL and OnRez to Join Linden Lab!

Yet another case of our world, your imagination.


When you gonna start renting land LL?

Looks like search is going to kill us in xstreet as well I cannot afford to pay for those ads the well established merchants pay already we suffer for it in world as the expensive ads take precedence over those of us who struggle. They also lie like the devil in when doing their keywords. Very, very unfair to us. LL is all money oriented. Well LL do you want to make a difference? do something to impress and to HELP us smaller businesses. For some of us who cannot work in rl due to disabilities or because of the economy. For some of us this is all we have. We are hurting and now we feel every bit stabbed in the back. Can you not blame us for feeling unstable and let down? We do NOT make what you do. I cannot afford to pay a premium fee anymore just to get in world. I was forced to go basic. What does this all mean? we need answers and need them now and please do not skirt around the paypal issue as was done tonight. You really need to answer that one. Stop avoiding us on that issue. As a former premium account holder who has paid out lots of of money to you people in the past I would like some answers please. Especially if your going to take a cut from my xstreet sales.

This is thoroughly frustrating. I like many people have items posted on both SLx (refuse to use the new name) and On-Rez. I stopped using SLx and went completly with On-Rez for the following reasons:

1) Free
2) Ability to list things only once, and be able to sell them both on-line and in-world at the same time.

Only thing I'm relieved about is the fact that I didn't finish posting all 308 new items I have to list. 30 piece silk set, in 11 available texture sets. Now the thought of how many prims I am going to have to use to get all this viewable in-world, cuz I can't use the awesome vendor system provided by On-Rez. This transition shuts down my store and all vendor rental spots as it's all vendor/web based.

Thank you so much for your wonderful ideas for 2009..... NOT!!!

My initial reaction to this is that it SUCKS! I love OnRez! It is so much better to use than SLX or XStreet or whatever! I looked and both sites early on and decided OnRez was for me and I hate having that choice taken from me. I know my protests don't mean a thing, but I feel better in being able to say that I don't like this acquisition/merger one bit! I will begrudgingly learn XStreet because I hate inworld shopping. grrrr >:/

Couldn't have said it better. I never use LL for currency exchange because for some reason an electronic transfer LL them takes DAYS! With SLX it literally IS like a minute. I so hope this doesn't change.

The point of having BOTH OnRez and SLex, was for further advertising purposes. I sold both on SLex and OnRez separately, and made almost the same amount of money on each. You combine them into one, and now I can only make half as much money. You combine them directly with SL, and the LL team, then I won't be making any.

Though someone needs to explain to me the point of "Integrating" SLex or OnRez into SL? Aren't there several reasons why the two aren't integrated?

I have multiple concerns and complaints that will go unheard and unheeded, but many of them are already listed anyhow. This just all seems like a grab for more control, which only goes downhill from the low point we're already at...



And at T Linden: "We're here to listen and to learn." Yeeeaaaah, LL is notorious for not doing either...

I found Onrez much easier to use than Xstreet. This news is a big downer to me. What will happen to the identity management system. Will that go away too?

I see this as a great opportunity for some brilliant programmers to build a site comparable to SLX....and NOT sell out...

This is a good idea!

onrez is slow & boring, bof looking..
slx is fast for having a look about 100 items at the same time..

so please dont touch it.. the design is fine..
slx is n1 & have 1000x more users.. that s certainly why..

Does this mean we can have the old SLX name back as it would no longer be a copy right infringement... it is so much easier to say and type

This is an absolute disgrace. Has Apotheus actually chosen to sell out to the inept Linden Labs? Or was his hand pushed? Linden Lab can't get SL right, what destruction will they wreak on this pillar of virtual trading? I can't even get a simple support ticket answered from LL, imagine what will happen when they take over THIS, the pinnacle of residents dedication to a eternally flawed virtual world!

Sorry if I seem a bit vague, but right now I am at my MOST pissed off with Linden Labs.

Fairly obvious they are only going to answer questions with "feel good " replies.
No answers for the hard questions.
No answer as to why they have moved to acquire two competing services. I highly doubt that anyone will ever be able to offer a similar service now.

Why did they acquire? To maintain monopoly over sales..and a first step to taking a percentage of all sales.
Whose idea to acquire? my bet is M Linden.. all the rest of this is obfuscation by employees who probably know as little as we do. Or they're being spoonfed replies.

LL has forgotton its core beliefs... the reason it's so successful is they allowed us to freely create without taxation or prior approval. Now i can see the belief has shifted to.. monopolise & greed.

Xstreet SL was based on percentage of sales - what ya'll are not realising is that these acquisitions represent the start of a huge shift in the way LL operates. Now preference will be given to merchants who not only pay huge classified fees (to get to top of list)... but agree to have a percentage of their sales sent to LL as well.
This anti-competitive monopolistic greedy behaviour represents the thinking that has got so many companies into trouble recently.
Where there is a monopoly..it WILL be abused. Histories biggest lesson.

All I want to know is when LL will be stopping taking commission? Because of you take commission from my sales on the site now, why wouldn't you take commission from any of my sales in-world? It kinda made sense to pay a slight commission to the SLX guys, as it was an independent private enterprise, but now it's been absorbed, I am assuming that the commission part will stop!

Hoooooo! Thanks Linden Lab for not taking any more commission from me!

Also, may I suggest that 3 or 4 talented web-and-scripting folk get together ASAP to develop an alternative, 'cos it scares me shoeless that this will be a step towards LL abusing merchants, driving costs up and prices down. If a Linden would care to dispute that, feel free...bet ya don't though, you scaredy kittens.

I think if you read earlier in the thread, C-whatever Linden said something to the effect of fee's not ceasing to exist.

~~~> "We will be keeping the commission and most other features of Xstreet (yay? OnRez was successful and didn't charge a fee). We will also look at additional ways to help merchants sell their goods and services (Monopoly \o/). I apologize that you'll be losing a free service (Empty apologies \o/), but I've seen evidence that Xstreet supplies well more value to the merchants than they pay back in fees (not...really, OnRez did virtually the same, without fee's). And those fees allow us to provide that service and value (not really...see previous comment). For us to succeed, our merchants have to succeed (which they will be succeeding less as OnRez disappears, and SLex gets "integrated" into SL), so we'll do what we can to provide you new services (NEW services?) to help you in that endeavor at reasonable rates (Mysterious 66% price increase ) to support those services." <~~~ from C-whatever Linden.

This strikes me as a bad move for a few reasons. They're all reasons that other people have already mentioned; I just want to cast my vote.

1. It wasn't broken.

2. Having competition in the web shopping business was good.

3. OnRez had very good networked vendors; you could set up both in-world and web sales together. XStreetSL doesn't have them, so we lose that capability.

4. The whole thing feels anticompetitive; LL is removing businesses that compete with it.

I suppose there are some possible future advantages. But we're losing capabilities NOW in exchange for maybe gaining some later. Bad trade.

May I bring to the attention that Linden Lab TOS is different from XstreetSL TOS in terms of personal privacy?

While we are protected by the Linden Lab TOS that no personal information will be provided to another avatar, Xstreet WILL provide your personal information to a random stranger once you have to file a DMCA with them. This is rather unusual since the normal procedure is that the ISP waits to get personal information from both sides and THEN passes them on to both sides so they can battle out their issues in RL court, but no, Xstreet SL WILL provide your personal information to teh person you file DMCA on no matter what. And yes, at that time they only have the SL avatar name and an email address that they post your postal address and telephone number to if you file DMCA.

How do I know?

Well, I had to file DMCA with XstreetSL on a stolen skin of mine and they provided my RL info to the thief. What happened? The person provided with my personal info signed my up to all sorts of internet business opportunities and government grant money things using my real name, my real address and my phone number. things you have to provide if you file DMCA.

So my phone was ringing 24/7.

And when asked if I could please have the personal information of that person so i can pursue some legal action on this sort of identity theft they told me that they cant do that due to their TOS where they say that they don't give out personal info about their users.

/me scratches head.

I sure hope THIS sort of policy of theirs will change with this take over. No matter what, XstreetSL sure left an awful bitter taste in my mouth after dealing with them.

As the previous message, I notice you only answer questions you believe in answering.

However some serious questions still remain:

-Since Xstreet will now become SL, will it be easier to DMCA report all the stolen content that it has? I am in SL since 2005 and I am a creator with an eagle eye, and believe me, this site is FILLED with thieved items.

-Many of us actually preferred OnRez for many different reasons, the biggest two of them being: gratuity, layout. OnRez is definitively easier on the eyes and better designed. It also didn't take a comission and that helped, a LOT. What will happen to that? Could XStreet look more like OnRez sometimes and will it also cease to charge us???

-I also agreed with a previous writer. If you want to make the offline shopping experience stronger, fine by me. But this means more and more people will only stash a box-fullo-content somewhere on rented land, rather then buying... maingrid land or islands. And we know this isn't going strong lately. Have you studied the impact on land at all while you took that decision?

Thank you for considering replying and actually giving us an official and detailed answer to these questions.

so much for a "free market"

next announcement will be only premium accounts allowed to Sell on web.

then increase in sales commissions and ad prices.

then probably a fee for each image uploaded for an item.


people will just quit using it and we'll open up another xstreetsl clone.

they only answer light questions, they didnt answer the hard ones. Hope they do tommorrow but I doubt it.

Yes Dirk, its gonna be a 2D world soon .... *packs up and gets on the wagon train heading west* .. wait strike that thought, this IS the west.

There must be new land somewhere an avatar can walk around and shop? Nope its all going to be click and go to a web page, you know like we do already in RL. I thought SL was supposed to release you from RL and let you soar in a virtual 3D world.

To think, my second life art not on the walls of my beautiful castle at my beautiful island, but rather click on this pirm, go to a web page and see it. We can do that already. But to have a 3D experience is why we are all here isn't it?

yeah I predict more yellowing of the grid too

Wait a minute... you're buying onrez are you not?? does this not incluse a WORKING vendor system? don't tell us you are going to reinvent the wheel when you already have one...

I have a better idea, shut down Xstreet and keep Onrez as it is, it is a much better sysem.

What is great about Onrez is the easy to install, use, categorise and keep track of vendors inworld which will allow purchases inworld as well as at the website. Xstreet SL does not have that even as I type this. Will you implement that vendor system found in Onrez and incorporate it into Xstreet SL? Because if not, that would be a terrible non inclusion since I have a space inworld for that purpose. Please do consider that and incorporate it before closing Onrez.

I have not read the whole thread... Consider that my disclaimer.

I've been with OnRez since it started as SLB, and even during the beta-tests, and I started with SLX when it first started, long before that. I made a choice NOT to do business with SLX after one of the starting partners royally f**ked a friend and partner of the business, and I unlisted all of the 1,000+ items I had, and canceled my account with them, because they were entirely untrustworthy to me. (If they'll screw a friend, what would they do to me, a stranger?)

So now, you've acquired them BOTH? Really?

Who from those companies will still remain on board?
Do I need to re-list all of my 2000+ items, or will they be carried over from OnRez?


How long has this deal been on the table, and why have I, as one of OnRez's top sellers, never heard about this before?

OnRez is about the last reason I even bother selling SL shit anymore. Is it now going to be run like SL?

Wow. Well looks like it was already answered, and of course, not with the nicest answer. I can't believe they are removing us the candy, but keeping the fees. I am here for over 4 years now, and I come to realize SL might be build on dreams... but LL on money. I always wanted to refuse and ignore that fact, but it never slapped me so hard in the face.