Xstreet SL and OnRez to Join Linden Lab!

My question and worry is this.

People that do not have premium accounts that sell on XstreetSL was getting support from Xstreet staff.

Now that Lindens are taking over support are they going force them merchants into a premium account to recieve the same level of support we recieved previously free from the great people at XstreetSL?

Or even worse are you going to start only allowing premium account holders the ability to sell?

since for any type of decent support as it is you require premium account.

So, LL is now going to fork on the commission on *our* creation sold *online* as well as *in world* ?

Or commission for sales will be abolished?
How about adult item listings, or account verification?
What about implementation of LL TOS, community standards to DMCA?
How do you handle DMCA, other violation related to the contents which are listed only online? What about if they have both?
Classified listing on in world search vs classified online, search functions... how will be implemented?


... the list goes on even before the detail of the acquisition term is announced.


This is very unsettling for the merchant.

We will have lots of questions, if the details are announced, however, for some reason, what will be announced would be something made up in haste, and very little consideration for the both merchants and a consumer... as was the various past cases.

Hey FlameRose,

We will be keeping the commission and most other features of Xstreet. We will also look at additional ways to help merchants sell their goods and services. I apologize that you'll be losing a free service, but I've seen evidence that Xstreet supplies well more value to the merchants than they pay back in fees. And those fees allow us to provide that service and value. For us to succeed, our merchants have to succeed, so we'll do what we can to provide you new services to help you in that endeavor at reasonable rates to support those services.

Thanks for the input
--Colossus

Seconded, on both counts.

I like the web interface at OnRez *much* better, and their vendors are great.

What, you don't remember Gaming Open Market? The Linden$ exchange overrun and put out of business by LL for doing too good a job?
This is just another exampes of the Linden desire to control anything that works and makes money outside of the confines of SL itself.
Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely (Lord Acton).

SLEX has charged a commission to merchants for each sale.

Will you be ending the commissions?

Or, will merchants be paying LL for each of their sales?

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nevermind.. just saw it answered above

Premium accounts in SL do not receive that level of support now, and I've seen no reason to expect that they will due to this change.

If premium accounts *did* get that level of support, I'd probably still have a premium account, as would my wife and daughter. It just didn't make sense to pay the premium for no benefit other than the ability to own worthless Mainland land.


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I used it coz it was independent from LL, any ideas what to use now????

I have shops both on Xstreet and Onrez and must say both have fantastic features. Hearing that Linden is grabbing their toys makes me un-easy...kinda equivalent to Microstuff doing their thing. At the same tijme maybe its good, may give Xstreet/Onrez a secure future. What about Hippo Technolgies, are they already on the bandwagon? For the most part I hope to see nothing changed from xStreet website, but maybe some additions. Let the staff at Xstreet work independent from Linden staff. As for vendor system, that might hurt Hippo Technologies unless they are already in agreement as well.

Collossus, I would like to raise a very pressing question. What will happen to support for Xstreet? Will it be for only premium members like LL's is now? And do you plan on adding more restrictions based around premium subscriptions like you have for sl?

I have been a user of OnRez since it's change from SL Boutique. I have utilized it's vendor system for all my merchandise in outlet stores. I found it to be a very simple and great way to organize, distribute and sell my creations in world due to the simplicity of its integration into the OnRez website.

As I am reading this, I am appalled to discover you will be discontinuing the OnRez service, which, in turn I am going to assume, will force me to move to another in-world vendor system for my products.

My partner and I have close to 400 products (some people have much, much more) listed on the OnRez website, and use its in-world vendors to distribute our products at our outlet stores.

Again, if I am reading this right, now you are going to do away with a service you have aquired with no regard to the amount of time and energy merchants have put forth into it?

It will take us days to reconfigure over to a new in-world vendor system. Time that you will be forcing out of our hands due to your decision to aquire and then shut down the OnRez service.

I am going to assume your decision is also in an attempt to gain more support of merchants in Second Life and attempt to make the integration of web based sales more fluid into the SL client itself.

However, you are, by doing this, creating a rift and angering many merchants like myself, my partner, and others who use this system to do business on the SL grid. Please take into consideration the time required that merchants will be forced to both have and use to move their entire inventories to another in-world vending system.

I would emplore you to -not- shut down the OnRez service WITHOUT keeping the in-world vendor support and the web based item listing system as it is now. It would make this decision easier to both absorb and make this integration as seamless and easy as possible for merchants that use the OnRez vendor system.

Thank you for reading.

For Linden Labs, this is a logical step; this will add to their revenue stream to finance better integration possibilities between SL and the web. Not a bad thing in the outset.

More extensive and fast-working interfaces into SL would spur the creation of a lot of inventive products and solution. But that of course will depend on the availability of these interfaces.

So, I wonder what will the strategy of Linden Lab be: Will you standardize, document, publish and make available to third parties the integrations you will build for xstreet?

as I found slx to be to complicated for my tastes and onrez to be user friendly that way, thats where I did my business, now no choice except to find the merchants in world so hopefully they fix the search

It was not the main reason since clearly the purpose of online sites was to list products, however, it was definitely a strong secondary reason for the most of us, either they are aware or not.

This is a MAJOR issue now for many of the people that use Xstreet.

It's been asked a few times and no reply about it from Colossus.

I think we need a answer now on this! Colossus

My partner and I have over 4500 Items on onrez combined. But LL dose not give a damn about its customers. Its all about the bottom line for them. His little response of continuing to charge fees proves that. Onrez was a superior site but slx charges for every thing. Why they are getting rid of the free service and keeping the thief one.

As I have said I have never cashed out money from SL....I only have my ebay experience and I was charged these rates from taking payments via paypal.


$0.00 USD - $3,000.00 USD 2.9% + $0.30 USD
$3,000.01 USD - $10,000.00 USD 2.5% + $0.30 USD
$10,000.01 USD - $100,000.00 USD 2.2% + $0.30 USD
> $100,000.00 USD 1.9% + $0.30 USD

So if I wanted to withdraw $500 I would much rather withdraw via check and pay the $5.00 fee rather than $14.80 based upon paypal's fee schedule listed here.

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_display-receiving-fees-outside&countries=

but if I wanted to withdraw $3000 USD it based upon Paypal's fee schedule I would be charged $3000x2.9%=$87USD + .30 = $87.30....I would much rather pay $5 to cut me a check if I didnt need to wait.

There are alot of people that chose onrez over xstreet because onrez looks better so this is just cosmetic stuff for the future...

It would be nice if the design/layout from onrez was kept because xstreet is chaotic and just plain ugly.

It would be even nicer if the customizable storefronts from onrez were kept and then improved upon by allowing further customization. Instead of only have a set color pallet to choose from, users should be able to choose whatever color scheme they want for their storefront. Maybe even add 2 or 3 store layouts for users to choose from.

Well, I am afraid that statement need a little more explaining from your side. Will you develope a vendor system or just better scripting tools ?

A question for LL.

I have recently been in discussion with a number of people banned from Xst for wrongs real and imagined, will Xst bans be recinded?

I would also really like this answered...

what about XStreet SL's real estate listings? i only see mention of the merchant stuff. will the real estate section be retained, or discontinued because it competes with LL's land store and mainland sales?

Can you go back to the SLexchange name? I never remember the new name.

So how long until lindens raise the price of commissions on sales? Raise the price of ads?

or even worse how long until they require only premium accounts the ability to sell on xstreet?

I see what you are getting at. Those fees are for their processing of payments for a sale transaction. It is a TRANSFER action when moving from XStreet to PayPal and not a PAYMENT action. Those fees are PayPal's commissions for your sales when the buyers pay via PayPal, very different then just a basic transfer. For a TRANSFER action, the PayPal fee is only $1.00. Then you can transfer the money to your bank account or use the PayPal card for day to day transactions for almost no fee at all.

Torrin