Xstreet SL and OnRez to Join Linden Lab!

If memory serves, Virtuatrade had been planning on or already was selling stuff for other grids.

I guess this opens a market opportunity for someone else.

Thanks for answering, Colossus.

Obviously..I did not read through the thread when I first commented. I am great at doing that. What I don't understand is why can't you integrate it Right off? Onrez already has the code to be able to do it. So all you'd have to do is code up a new page for the Xstreet site and bam you'd have your vendors that work.
No offense, but the way LL works.. it will be AGES until xstreet would have those vendors up.

Hey all,

Just wanted to let you know that we're heading to bed for the evening, so you won't see any responses for a little while. We'll be back tomorrow morning.

Good night.
--Colossus

May I bring to the attention that Linden Lab TOS is different from XstreetSL TOS in terms of personal privacy?

While we are protected by the Linden Lab TOS that no personal information will be provided to another avatar, Xstreet WILL provide your personal information to a random stranger once you have to file a DMCA with them. This is rather unusual since the normal procedure is that the ISP waits to get personal information from both sides and THEN passes them on to both sides so they can battle out their issues in RL court, but no, Xstreet SL WILL provide your personal information to the person you file DMCA on no matter what.

And yes, at that time they only have the SL avatar name and an email address that they post your postal address and telephone number to if you file DMCA. Nothing else.

How do I know?

Well, I had to file DMCA with XstreetSL on a stolen skin of mine and they provided my RL info to the thief.

What happened?

The person provided with my personal info signed me up to all sorts of internet business opportunities and government grant money things using my real name, my real address and my phone number. things you have to provide if you file DMCA.

So my phone was ringing 24/7 for quite a while.

And when asked if I could please have the personal information of that person so i can pursue some legal action on this sort of identity theft they told me that they cant do that due to their TOS where they say that they don't give out personal info about their users.

/me scratches head.

I sure hope THIS policy of theirs will change with this take over. No matter what, XstreetSL sure left an awful bitter taste in my mouth after dealing with them.

The following is from the FAQ. Although PayPal is not mentioned, it states that changes are not currently planned:


Xstreet has a Linden Dollar exchange, so how will these acquisitions affect overall exchange rates?

There are no immediate plans to shut down or modify the Xstreet SL Linden Dollar exchange or the Linden Lab Lindex Linden Dollar exchange. We would not expect exchange rates to be affected and there is no reason to think that they would be.

Xstreet has a Linden Dollar exchange. What will happen to that exchange?

For the immediate future, the Xstreet SL Linden Dollar exchange will remain open and active with no changes. We will monitor activity and will temporarily disable the exchange if we see anything unexpected. Otherwise, we don't intend to make any long term decisions about the future of the Xstreet SL Linden Dollar exchange until we have learned some if its intricacies over the coming months. If necessary, we will make modifications to the Xstreet exchange as needed, but no modifications are currently planned.

SL has been proving itself to be very unreliable and a cause for stress, anxiety, and lack of FUN that most of us had come on here for. Now you take away the stores that allowed us to have a little bit of a breather from LL's rather disgustingly tight grip on the prices of everything inworld. First, it was the constant/near constant database failures, then it was the extreme and *UNNECESSARY* price hikes to not only the sims people may want to buy, but also the exchange rate. Now, it is taking away that freedom.

Do you guys have any sense of humanity left? Any? Or are you just trying to find as many ways to rip off YOUR CUSTOMERS as possible? Because you're doing a bang up job. How about instead of ripping us off, go back to the excellent service that used to be, where prices were reasonable and service was good. We all need an escape from RL or we want someplace to expand our horizons creatively (or for some rather pathetic folks, dig into the dark sides of infidelity and sex *rolls eyes*). Your place was said to offer that and be affordable. Now, like any once enjoyable commodity, it has gone down the tubes with greed and incompetence.

WAKE UP LL! STOP THINKING WITH YOUR WALLETS AND START THINKING WITH YOUR BRAINS AND HEARTS!

I agree with you.....

I started out on SLX and have done well...above expectations in sales.....

I also put my some of my better items on ONREZ but recieved basically no sales.....

I can't think of any reason for Linden Labs to buy Onrez except to incorporate their inworld vendor code into an XstreetSL inworld vendor.......

I truly hope this is their first priority.....or at least second priority after addressing inworld assett servers issues that may have been caused by inefficient code from Xstreet and Onrez.....

I think this might actually turn out to be a good move by linden labs if they think the code for Xstreet and Onrez was causing assett server problems and buying these sites so they could fix them by integrating them.......if this isn't the reason they bought these two sites......I will have a bad feeling for the future of SL......

We've read the FAQ, and the very fact that Paypal isn't mentioned is the issue.

Currently, when you cash out your USD balance on Xstreet to Paypal, the transaction happens in mere moments....most of the time the money is already in my Paypal by the time I can open a new browser window and log in there.

Compare that to cashing out a USD balance from LL to Paypal, which takes a couple days *at best*.

Due to the number of times this question was asked and ignored, I'll wager we all already know what the answer is.

Site wise I sell more on SLX. However, I loved the vendor option through Onrez. The vendor I had before was a freebie...because I didn't want to buy an overpriced vendor. And yes, I do think that one reason LL would buy onrez is to be able to get codes for things that slx doesn't have, such as the vendor system. I just don't see why it would take a great deal of time. I'm not a scripter, and for me coding would take forever. I do have friends who are scripters..and writing up code for something, especially having it basically set up for you already would be Easy as pie. I really do hope they make a move on this one rather quickly :/ I don't want to have to resort to using my faulty vendor

Great . . . . as if what I pay for a Private Island and three Homesteads isn't enough for them, LL now have to take the commission I gladly paid to XStreet for their service! The rate increases announced for OSs after just having purchased them was a real downer but my partner and I decided we'd stick it out . . . now I'm not so sure . . . when do we get hit with the announcement that to "improve performance" you simply must raise the commission to 30% or 40%? Oh, but after listening to your feedback, we'll only raise it 10% in the 1st quarter and start taking the rest of the 20 to 30% in the third quarter . . . "we listened, it is what was satisfactory to the majority of merchants."

GIVE ME A BREAK! I'M DUMBFOUNDED BY THIS!

I am going to go ahead and be optimistic, although that usually doesn't work too well for me. I'm going to hope that somehow this will help with product search. I'm going to hope the Exchange will not now crash every few days and seize up every two minutes. I'm going to hope.

i hate hate hate hate hate hate this!!!!
yes.. alota hate right there..

slx or streetsl whatever u want to call it. has a lowsy page layout if you ask me..
its annoying to navigate, all the photos dont fit on one width of a screen unless you get the tiny pictures, you cant browse by accesories and just click random catergories unless u search for something..
unless im completely dumb and dont know how to use it in which, obviously it should be easier and bubbly like onrez for us refusing-to-think-when-power-shopping peeps use it.
i love my onrez dont take it from meee

like i said.. if they wanna keep the sl name.. fine.. but dont take away the beauty of onrez.

I still want to know what lindens plans are for future of Xstreet and will they move it over to a premium account feature only? Or will everyone still be able to sell.

And Im also curious what their plans are for commissions on sales and ad prices.

I really hope they don't make selling on xstreet a premium only option.

Here's one that would help a lot...

How about another inventory folder, like the Library, for items for sale? It could work like the current boxes but not require land.

Oh, BTW, I am cautiously optimistic about this. It has potential to be very nice once it's integrated into SL properly.

Ugh so they now corner that Linden purchasing market too? This is the second competitor LL had gotten rid of! I used OnRez because they didn't take a chunk out of your profits. I'm assuming since LL is running it the chuck that xstreetsl took will stay, yes?

May I bring to the attention that Linden Lab TOS is different from XstreetSL TOS in terms of personal privacy?

While we are protected by the Linden Lab TOS that no personal information will be provided to another avatar, Xstreet WILL provide your personal information to a random stranger once you have to file a DMCA with them. This is rather unusual since the normal procedure is that the ISP waits to get personal information from both sides and THEN passes them on to both sides so they can battle out their issues in RL court, but no, Xstreet SL WILL provide your personal information to teh person you file DMCA on no matter what. And yes, at that time they only have the SL avatar name and an email address that they post your postal address and telephone number to if you file DMCA.

How do I know?

Well, I had to file DMCA with XstreetSL on a stolen skin of mine and they provided my RL info to the thief. What happened? The person provided with my personal info signed my up to all sorts of internet business opportunities and government grant money things using my real name, my real address and my phone number. things you have to provide if you file DMCA.

So my phone was ringing 24/7.

And when asked if I could please have the personal information of that person so i can pursue some legal action on this sort of identity theft they told me that they cant do that due to their TOS where they say that they don't give out personal info about their users.

/me scratches head.

I sure hope THIS sort of policy of theirs will change with this take over. No matter what, XstreetSL sure left an awful bitter taste in my mouth after dealing with them.

Hi , I use both xstreetsl and shoponrez, and when i started the second one, I thought that the ability of adding tags to your item is a wonderful way to make them visible for your customers. I think it would be a pity to loose that.

I guess my partner and I are going to have to create another XStreet/Second Life Alt account, that both of us can log into and update our business ads, because Linden Labs wants to merge everything together including account balances and passwords........

Oh I am looking forward to transferring dozens of ads for the sake of LL monopolizing...NOT.

what about users that are on Onrez, but were booted out of sl exchange (yes it was that long ago)? if your xstreet account is locked because of a tos violation, does that mean no luck chuck? or are the users in the database going to be reninstated?

I agree with you on the use of Tags.

Believe me, a monopoly such as the one LL is trying to build is good for nobody, and certainly *NOT* for the end users.

It means less competition, higher prices, poorer range of products and choices, lesser services, and probably the worst thing: dictatorial behaviour from the company holding the monopoly.

Why do you think monopoly is illegal in so many countries ?... I wish it would be illegal for "virtual" worlds (not that virtual since real money is involved...).

LL saw that they were loosing ground (the "last connected 60 days" figure on the login screen proves this: it topped at over 1 500 000 around mid November 2007 and has been less since then), and that with the move from SL Exchange (dedicated to SL) to XStreet (with the idea that other grids than SL would be supported by the renamed service), they would be loosing even more ground in favour of alternative grids.

So, LL used the big bucks they got from us to try and build a monopoly in the hope they will drain more $ from us.

That's very sad news

Dear Lindeons,

Curiously, I wish to inquire about how much was spent to purchase xstreetsl and Onrez.

Ty in advance!

Will we now be facing charges for uploading product pictures and maybe a charge for posting in the new products forum on Xstreet ? i hope not but those are things we could be facing.. i hope i'm wrong.

I can see Phillips dream slowly fading each and everyday. This all started back in 2005 with G.O.M. and IGE. LL couldnt deal with the conversion competition. And I will leave it at that. And now...this. Im shocked and I must admit quite fearful of what is to come of XStreetSL (blah).

As my stomach churns I realize. SL has lost what it once was about. I remembers years ago (2004 for those old-bies out there like me ) When no matter where you went on the grid, it was like entering the home of family. You knew everyone, or atleast 1/2 the people there, and SL was like a small family it was common to see a Linden hanging out at a club, or in a sandbox or even to actually sit down with the CEO of LL at the time (Phillip Linden) and have an actual conversation about the future of SL, what his hopes, dreams and ambitions were for this world WE, yes I SAID WE the community created.

Then 2005 approaches. Out the door goes event credits, and telehubs. Both of course made the community feel as though the sky was falling. There were hundreds of community members who were signing petitions, begging LL to stop the madness of course...they dint listen.

2006 approaches and SL is nothing more then what people think is a *get rich quick* alternitive. SL is bombarded with hundreds of thousands of residents trying to get rich quick.

I dont think I need to continue...

Im extremely frustrated atm. After a 3 month *break* from SL, and my first night back, comming back to this. Not to mention the horrible lag, and same ol teleporting issues, as well as all the other same ol same ol grid BS...to find the one aspect of SL that actually runs smoothly (referring to XSSL) more then 98% of the time, as been *bought out* by the SAME company that frustrates the heck outta me every moment Im logged in...just makes me want to continue my break.

Im done ranting...LL Please do us all a HUGE favor...before doing any integration, or tweeking something that actually works fantasically...FIX THE GRID ISSUES FIRST. Get the grid stable before DOING ANYMORE enhancements, or feature upgrades...of course MHO...