Xstreet SL and OnRez to Join Linden Lab!

Dear forum moderator. my I PLEASE have an explanation why my post got deleted?

I am sorry if this has been mentioned in the past posts but so many to read.

1. Onrez allows for resending non transfer items that don't make it to the customer, SLX has always made you fill in a support ticket within 7 days and then you are lucky if you get any response , that function has always been a number one for me to use Onrez.

2. Onrez added a function to their Kiosks to allow residents to click a button to be able to be gifted too, no need to register, it just wanted the key to know where to send , also Onrez usually has the residents key if they have been in world for a period of time without doing that, it is usually only brand new residents that need to...another plus.

3. Onrez Kiosks were owned by the residents , placed on their land by them so no need to submit a ticket and add someone to a group to plonk down something you couldn't move around at your need.

4. Onrez has the bulk edit where you can write all the text you need for numerous items, save then add pics, again a big plus.

5. Being able to type in a designers name John_Doe, at the end of the Onrez link and find out if one of your favourite stores has listings without having to go through everything else that xstreet deems a keyword, a HUGE PLUS .

6. having the ability to add alts to the one account so that residents dont have to log in and out to add items to their dropboxes another plus.

7. Vendors that you set up on the site and then use in world ( I know this one has been mentioned) but these vendors were multi vendors too, so people that could only afford to pay for smaller spaces could have multiple items out with permission of the landlord, thats putting smaller stores and newer designers out of business right there.

8. The ability to set up boxes that were given special permissions, meaning that if you had friends or workers that you didn't want to pay for your items they could be put in as being able to buy from those at no cost, this allowed staff to resend to customers that didn't get items in world, again HUGE PLUS.

9. No Commission for people starting out and wanting to just be able to get some kind of feel for what customer base they were aiming at, again huge plus.

10. Onrez promoting inworld tools that would benefit the retailers, such as the kiosks, boxes, scripts for unpacking, vendors, clickable signs that took you directly to the onrez listing page for that store, again HUGE PLUS and all free for the retailer.

XStreet SL

1. Stolen Content Stolen Content Stolen Content

2. Business in a Box = Stolen Content

3. UGLY pages, that even if you type in the name of a designer will give you everyone else that might have some partial keyword that the site considers your search.

4. Hard to navigate listing tools.

5. Kiosks you have to apply to have put on your land that you have no control over at all, that are purely to put money into and take money out of. YOU CAN however pay directly in people search to exchange street avatar ( for those that commented you had to find a kiosk )

6. Did I mention STOLEN CONTENT.

7. Having to register to receive items from people wishing to send you a gift, doesn't make it easy when they don't have an account already and you just on a whim want to send them something fab.

8. STOLLLLLLLEEEEENNNNNNNNNN CONNNNTTTEEEEENNNNNTTTTTTTTT

I really hope that the only upside I see is that you get rid of all the BIAB's and such Obvious stolen content from Xstreet first off, it is so in your face and so obvious what items are...as well as the fact that the items sold full perms are then resold by everyone that bought the originals, if someone is going to be banned for listing something twice, I think it should be looked into that you can see the same exact items sold by 50 different residents at different prices.

Please consider keeping Onrez online for longer than the few weeks you have said, it isn't enough time, you have only looked at the site as a site, you havent considered the amount of hours it takes to reset up all those drop boxes and listings.

Some designers have hundreds if not thousands of items on Onrez and if they aren't already on xstreet they have to move them, as well as totally be unable to do anything but that for possibly weeks.

Those that use the inworld vendors are also going to have to find suitable alternatives and list those as well , hippo from scratch a whole store worth of products can take days if not weeks to list and set up.

Please don't let us down again, I had so much faith in LL for the New Year

I suggest that anyone who values independence now look at APEZ at www.apez.biz. They offer sales from a web site, plus a vendor system that is extremely versatile, plus a range of other services. I've used all three web sites in parallel, and they each have their pluses and minuses.

This is exactly what has me worked up about this whole audeal. If LL gets their grubby knits on the money system, its goodbye easy currency handling, most likely we'll get a whole buncha redicilous fee's dumped on us too?

Seriously lindenlabs, hands off!
We have a good thing going here, and we DONT need your "help".

Looks like they do NOT plan on any smooth-kind of transfer. You need to MANUALLY reg yourself back on XStreet, redo all your listings there, oh and, transfer any money from OnRez or it's lost, they won't do it for you. Yep. *cricket and sobbing sounds*

Any UK members wishing for information on possible legislative action against a party with regards to alleged violations of the Data Protection Act 1998 with regards to this merger, please contact me at [email]samfordlegal@googlemail.com[/email].

I look forward to hearing from you.

Xstreet did have a vending system in beta, but about a week ago they announced it was over. I guess because of this deal.

So just release the Xstreet Vendor they already had one in beta testing.
the onrez vendor sucks big time I tried it but wound up writing my own vending system.

AMEN MY FRIEND
Amen...

I cannot help but notice that the important and serious question of XstreetSL's superior payout to paypal ability is being stubbornly ignored.

Many people, myself included prefer transfering cash using XstreetSL because we realize there is no good reason why we should wait a week for the same functionality from the Lab.

So will XstreetSL's service be degraded to match your own, or will the Lab finally catch up?

Odd... I would have expected a letter from the Xstreet SL management BEFORE the mail I got from Linden Lab. A specially because this was all news to me.

NO prior posting on the official LL blog with a intention to do something like this.
NO prior warning from Xstreet SL.

And the press announcement on the LL Website isn't widely enough read to count at ALL!

Sure there may be benefits to Buyers and Merchants. But like so many things with changes made by LL the communications are not handled good enough!

Apart from this communication issue...
I have strong problems with the proposed full integration of Xstreet SL website into the "family" of Second life websites. The Idea that the passwords merge into 1 system leaves theft of our hard earned L$ in one quick go to a real possibility.

And for the poor people who own an ONREZ account you only give till 17th of next mouth. Some vacations last longer than that... So, does no migration lead to the lose of stuff or to difficulty moving it later

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COMMUNICATION IS AN ART... That is something LL does need to do more acquisitions on Not on other well running external companies.

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You know I have read most every post in this thread and am surprised how many people DISLIKE XStreetSL. I always liked them MOST of the two (well top two) web based SL markets.

I am more technical minded and what matters to me is not a bunch of flashy colors or snappy interface, but the ability to get the job done. I guess I am just one of very few on earth with that sort of like mind.

XSL had an api that I could use to log and verify each sale that came in through the website, but I had control over logging it and using that data in world. I have tried multiple times to contact the OnRez staff about a sort of api to do the same with them and was always met with either no responce or a form letter reply telling me how to view the sales on their website. I never found that acceptable. I like control over my own data and how I use it.

I always preferred XSL/SLX over OR/SLB even for listing my items. I actually remember getting confused over using the OR listing pages (after seeing some of the posts here I almost wonder if I should be concerned by this).

I know what I said is not truely focused at the merger but I am actually glad they picked the one to keep as they did. I guess the geeks in the lab were like me in seeing which one prooved the best for extensability.

Now I will also say I use XSL for cashing out my money as I never did like the way it was handled on the Lindex, and as long as that part doesnt change I will still use it too.

Have you got no taste at all? OnRez design is up to date, quick, easy on the eye, and includes a TONS more features then XStreet. The ONLY and I mean ONLY reason why people remained at XStreet (and I would know, I am in both and I am in XStreet for years now, in SL for more then 4) is because it was so much older people got used to it and the customer database was bigger. Only.

uhm you must never clicked search by merchant?

half your points are invalid, but half are valid ill give ya that.

I dont need MORE services, I need to keep what I have!
I dont care what you have to offer, I dont want it!

Maybe everyone on this thread is ignorant of the still terrible in world search. This is one of the things I think that LL is trying to find some way to fix. And adding a service on top of it is just a bonus card.

Also, there is nothing stopping another site like XStreetSL previously known as SecondLife eXchange (SLX) from sprouting. We do not know what the new rules for posting on the newly acquired site are, nor prices.

What I see LL doing is mostly internalize the SLX. Mind you I do not want to see a repeat of the IMVU catalog. The ability to choose to have your products show or not would be a good feature. Part of the beauty of SL is that it is sort of like RL in that way.

While a catalog is always a plus, it is not always wanted. The pure integration of products into the catalog without asking consent of each and every seller would be wrong as far as I can see.

If you could ask every person that has a sell for L$0 I'm sure most would say, "I want to have my product on my land and not in a giant universal catalog.

I like to see what is on a parcel, but... I don't think I'd want to go so far as to have a catalog of every item in world.

ITEM is defined as: script, object, picture, movie, or any content created or imported into Second Life.

Screw that.

OnRez, and all the friends I thought that I had that were involved with that and Electric Sheep and everything else, who never ONCE gave me a heads up, X-blah, and SL in general, can f**king blow me. You've screwed over your creators for the last time, as far as I'm concerned. Count me out. Go f**k yourself.

I know right. I understand and feel your frustration. I am contemplating leaving SL for a while now, and this is 1+ on the side of the leave...

And I dare anyone to just go "boo you whiners" on us. I know Jonquille and I both are in SL for over 4 years, not that I want to play the oldbie card, but it's certainly not a newbie that hasn't lived the "true" experience that will tell me if this is a good move for LL or not. So just try. lol

Oh well they tottled off to bed without answering - actually without ACKNOWLEDGING the singlemost reccuring question asked:

Speed of paypal payments. I know it was the primary reason I moved to using Xstreets services. My total dissatisfaction with LL being the ONLY service I have ever used on the net to move funds so dog slowly TO me - yet never missing a beat FROM me.

This is my number 1 concern and question - and I think the people here DESERVE to have it answered - or at the very least RECOGNIZED.

On a side note - I've come to enjoy the professionalism of both services (onrez SLB and SLX XStreet) and the calibur of service...... they were made 'by the people for the people' - folks who started out as merchants and understood the problems faced by them - I shudder to think that it might end up being handled by the same people who think its a snappingly great idea to impliment major updates and create woeful downtime that directly co-incides with every single long weekend for the last 8 months at least (which - for those powers that be reading this - are the major times when folks get time to play video games and tool around on the net....... 'we succeed when you succeed' ? more like you succeed while we suck-seed). Or think that the current time it takes for Lindex to pay my paypal account timely or reasonable.

Cheerleaders be-damned, this negativity exists for a reason - it's due to empirical evidence. Sometimes it's a little over dramatized, but I think in this case is well founded.

The pussyfooting around what appears to be THE major concern here doesn't instill me with the confidence folks at the love-machine would like me to have.

Lastly - I think the opportunity still does exist for competition - just as Xstreet itself offered competition post G.O.M/Lindex - there are still many many features that neither of these services tapped that I think are still available for those with the time and knowhow to impliment.

Of course - I won't bring them up here I'll probably be G.O.M.ed myself one of these days, so I'm loathe to hand over anything kicking in my brain without phat check from SanFran first.

Cheers.

yea lindens are really ruining any free market we had before. The support definitely won't be there even they try and promise it will. They will be ruining the exchange rate xstreet had, etc, etc.

now it's just a wait for the notice on the forum that only premium accounts may sell on xstreet and that there will be a surcharge per listing, a surcharge for each image uploaded, an increased charge on commissions and ads.

my "vision" as for the effects of this:

- the useful little inworld vendors that onrez has will go away
- it will take xstreet sl even longer now to release their long-promised inworld vendors
- everything will cost more, as in the commission on xstreet will go up,m instead of "no basic commissions" as on onrez.


prove me wrong if you can.

Will LL be changing/overseeing the rules for ownership transfer on XStreet SL ?
Previously when asked about this, the owners of XStreet wanted a huge ridiculous fee for transferring object's ownership listed on XStreet from one avatar to another avatar?

Double that Amen...

I agree with Shirley Marquez and would like to add some sugestions and concearns.

I think that LL's job is to create a platform (SL) where residents create the content. LL shouldn't interfere with inworld businesses.

Secondly, I'd like to give a RL example of an alternative in case LL disagrees with me on the previous. In the Netherlands, Ebay owns ebay.nl and marktplaats.nl . Both websites offer similar services but with a very diferent layout. Both websites have their own advantages and they exist alongside eachother. Why can't LL do this with onerez and xstreet?

On the other hand I am concearned about the concequences of LL integrating webshoping in SL. There is a variety of banks and vendorsystems in SL which will have a hard time to compete with a LL webshop (Apez for example). If LL takes the development one step further and builds a vendor system, all other vendorsystems will disapear over time or atleast see a large decrease in sales. LL has the ability to compete with those business on a level which is 'unfair'. Because LL can improve subscription and integrate finances directly to residents' SLaccounts.


Conclusion: I am torn between two negatives. On the one hand I want onerez to continue to exist in it's current form. On the other hand I don't want LL to create it's own vendorsystem. Either way: I don't like it. I don't want LL to interfere with inworld business. LL's role is to provide the platform SL, not the businesses that exist within SL.

Well, these cover some of my concerns. This was not done for us (users) or the efficiency of SLex/XStreetSL or Onrez. It was done so SL could get their hands on commissions and exchange fees.

LL hear this ... the freedom of SL "citizens" interacting commercially and in a forum that is not run by you was to your advantage. It is always good for people to have an outlet that is not controlled by the government. Creativity sometimes grows better when not overseen too closely, and almost all of the SL world was created through the imagination of its citizens.

She was talking about the actual URL on top of your screen. I admit it might not be a 100% valid point, as merchant search should do just as good, but still, it was something we could do in one and not in the other (ie for my own: www.onrez.com/elkaLehane while my Xstreet url ends with something like 2786483264234...).