Xstreet SL and OnRez to Join Linden Lab!

BUT here is my question:

I have an OnRez account--- actually in my alt's name-- to which myself and two other alts are connected. Two of me are already on XSTreetSL.... which one of my selves inherits the assets of the old OnRez account? And I assume the other two of me will have to create new XStreet accounts...?

Yes, I agree. But I can't fathom why they haven't yet addressed this issue. I hope someone from Linden Labs will ASAP!

Actually I may have got my answer from the Lindens thanks to a poster in the Xstreet forums. It's here on this URL

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It's probably as much of an answer as any Linden can give at this moment so I'm not going to push the issue. They claim they will tell us about any changes they plan on making . . . . just like they warned us about this sudden change and the Open Space decision.

That's ok for me, for now. I really like Xstreet and I will continue using it until it really starts to fail. Apez is not as user friendly, but it may have new incentive to pick up as the only independent marketing and L$ exchange left for users.

Until LL buys out Apez as well.

sad news..

its all about the money in the end, so why pretend that you care about sellers and shoppers opinions?

oh wait.. unless those opinions or ideas can lead you through the path of making more money, then they are worth it for you.

Oh dear... the vendors were the best thing about OnRez. The Apez vendors just aren't as good... and the setup for Apez is painfully slow.

What happens with my duplicate items? Most--- probably all--- of my OnRez items were also on sale on XStreet.

To whomever is in control of the page design of OnRez.

Can you please adjust the CSS to properly fit so that vendors, like myself, can withdrawl their account balance into SL.

As it sits right now, the link to Withdrawl is currently covered by Catagory tabs.

Hello T, Colossus and Grant,

LL bought a big responsability now over xstreet. This can work, and I hope it does, and yes I agree its just fair to pay for a quality service. But we hit the same mistake over and over: everyone knows SL and xstreet is flooded with stolen content, sold full perms, and the buyers sells it again and/or change a bit and resell. Original creators cant keep on with that, in 1 afternoon someone's alt sells 100 boxes of full perm skin templates of his skins. These 100 sells more 100, oh is it 10.000 people already? 10.000 dmcas? It is not working! PLEASE would someone be kind enough to tell me what improvements are going to be enforced in that subject, or if its going to stay the same?

"To whom much is given, much is required." — John F. Kennedy

Good luck!

Yes the easy button is not visible - just go to your home page on onrez - account tools and withdraw balance and follow the instructions. You can withdraw via that way.

Answer our questions please..
linden lab staff??

At SLX we were used to get an answer really soon...

If Colossus is listening.... I don't necessarily want a set of tools for developing inworld vendors. I want a set of vendors!

I am not in the business of developing inworld vendors.... though maybe I should be. I AM in the business of selling stuff inworld to other avatars... and therefore I need tools for selling stuff. The OnRez vendors were an awesome tool for selling stuff inworld.

Would a Linden please post an official response to questions about what will happen with the ONREZ vendor system? Many merchants rely on the in-world vendors as well as the online system to organize everything they sell. The system is extremely well designed and efficient, will it just disappear? Thanks.

It's a question that's been posed since page 1 - and I haven't seen an answer to it.

As to why Lindex takes that long... there is no reasonable answer. It's been cited 'security' and I'm sure it will be cited again, although in my opinion it's bollocks. I use a paypal account for more than SL - of course there's Ebay, but also a myriad of other sites for other hobbies such as RC modelling, restoration of retro consoles and systems, I've even bought/sold everything from books to concert tickets and computer parts using nothing but the standard paypal account (not a credit card or debit card attached to it). Every transaction has been concluded within seconds, in every case and in every service except Lindex. Also in the several YEARS I've done this (actually over HALF A DECADE) I've only ever had ONE hiccup and that was with a travel agency.

There is no reason for the 1 - 2 week delay. With Lindex acting as nothing more than an escrow service (your money isn't 'cleared' until someone buys it - with funds already in place within the system) it makes it the delay doubly nonsense - their money isn't involved, its a buyer/seller and they play electronic middle man for a fee.

The only reason that makes any sense to me is to maximise the amount of time that USD stay within an interest bearing account - that they can earn money on.. when you add to that the fee for transactions, the ability to pump moneys into the economy by dumping it on the market at any rate wanted (a virtual mint can roll the presses when it likes for no cost) - you start to see how incestuous the Lindex really is. I started using XStreets exchange because of its speed - and was willing to pay what turned out to be a fractional cost above Lindex for the convenience.

I forsee that going the way of the dodo... I'd like to be surprised - but the past has made me a jaded realist.

On a side note - OnRez: as They Might Be Giants said 'wake up and smell the catfood' - there will be no 'integration' of any of the features you liked/wanted/needed/enjoyed. It was bought so that the biggest of the two could be integrated while the other (onrez) will be cast aside - it's a buy simply to eliminate the other competing market...

It something companies such as Avid have done for years - buying competing products in order to NOT develop or support them.

Again - I'd be extremely surprised if I saw a single feature of OnRez integrated into the 'new and improved SLexchange' - Knowing as much as I do as things like the development of the voting system / Lindex - and the fact that they had to outsource A BLOG makes me sceptical of the 'talents' in those areas of the company anyways.

As time marches on I can see more and more a pattern that makes me think that any real innovators in SL are looked upon as a cost free R&D - all development/risk is taken by folks who actually PAY the company for the privilege of possible failure (wrap your head around THAT concept) and if it works well they are absorbed later.... its a rather good biz plan when you think about it....

Please tell me what use was onrez to those who couldn't afford to advertise? oh yes and this is a real good example lol - every time I listed new product, the merchants who were bigger because they spent a fortune on an Ad would be listed next to my stuff. And quite honestly my stuff is better. I may not get all the sales they do but my stuff is better. I rarely made money at onrez it was all from in world or xstreet. The page was laggy, it took forever to load and poor customer service. What was so damn great about onrez?

They already said it wouldn't be supported, way back at the beginning of the thread. Everything Onrez is now akin to the Dodo bird.

I took this to be the answer, that the OnRez vendors will not work after the Feb closing date of the site and that LL will consider developing thier own vendor system at a later time.



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and this



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Thank you.

This sounds a lot like one of the things I find annoying with the way LL sometimes does things. They shoot the old stuff (forums formatting, blog, resmods) before having the new plan in place.

Kia I do not think that Elka was talking about those particular things anyway. Those are certainly reasons why she is on both.

It is the look, the features, etc - they far surpass xstreet. So she is right about it there and you are right about listings.

What about users who have been banned or blocked from Xstreet and set up shop at ONREZ? How can they transfer over thier balances and products? I was banned last year becuase one of my picture ads had mature content in it and I had accidently not marked it as mature. While I was out of town the SLX staff took it apon them self to ban my IP address and accout. a week later when I got back and checked my accout, it was gone, along with my $L balance. Since then I have never used SLX or Xstreet, rather I used ONREZ w\out a problem. Infact I prefer ONREZ to SLX. The ONREZ staff is 1000000000000000x better with support as well they never took a % of sales.

As a result of ONREZ being closed on feb 11th, I know of at least 3 business owners in SL who are considering packing it in, Quitting SL, and moving on with real life. To quote 1 of them

" ***NAME****: well it looks like i'm done...with LL buying onrez and slx..and going to the slx platform. I can either take the hours upon hours to transfer over stuff to an alt or just give in because my account is banned on Xstreet...I'm so ready to quit sl"

it really has nothing to do with sales vs transfer as both are basically the same

if you go to the xstreet and start a withdrawal you will notice that they do it via masspay, which only charges 1 dollar to the recipient

anyone with the proper type of account can send money via masspay

being that xstreet are the ones sending the money they are being charged 1 dollar, they in turn passed that fee on to you, when you choose to withdraw money (ie have them send you your money)

long lists of posts to try to read though so instead I am going to put my thoughts out here, forgive me if I repeat anything anyone else has already said

1 will we still be able to withdraw US funds in the same fashion, and with the same efficiency

2 will we be able to link account like we can with onrez

3 can you please change the way we list things to the way onrez does it, this was a much easier way to do it (and faster)

4 If you plan to continue with the commissions, could you make it so that premium and concierge client (residents) will not have to pay the commissions as part of the premium and concierge package? (I know many basic account holders won't like that suggestion, but face it, premium accounts really have very little to make them worth switching to)

Sigh... ok. But why build a new system when they've just purchased OnRez and have one that works perfectly? Why waste all that time re-inventing the wheel? Feels like corporate dumb to me. :/

Cryas - I don't see this CSS issue. What browser and Operating system are you using?

Yes, I would like to hear the answer as well... many of us would. Though I guess we know the answer.

This might be one area where they can't sugar coat an answer.

Bottom line Xstreet or Onrez are gone as we know them. LL will introduce a new product with higher costs and it's safe to guess less effeciency.

Or I might be wrong.

But seriously, I don't think LL just woke up and decided to buy these sites. They have a plan. They are a business... The plan involves them making money. End of story.

Well that is good news. I will keep this quote for future reference, however.

When you say your are looking for ways; that tells me you have no plans at this time.

So what your saying is you bought SLex but don't know how LL can improve upon it at this time.

Gotcha.