Xstreet SL and OnRez to Join Linden Lab!
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VooDoo Bamboo
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01-21-2009 11:49
From: Girlspeedo Latte You overlooked one thing, Lindenlab, SLexchange/Xstreet is butt ugly. Would you buy any fashion items from there? I wouldn't. You should have adapted to Onrez's design. It does matter. I 100% agree. They did this 100% backwards. Even though sales have been very low in Onrez at least the staff there was top of the line and the layout was great! SLX..... Uuuuummm... Yeah..... Well....... You get the point. I like what somebody pointed out early in this post and they are right... The site was nothing more then a heavy mod of a PHP-NUKE site so I was wondering as well why they would select SLX. I am sure it was more of a lets buy them up and get them out of the way then anything.
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Maike Short
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01-21-2009 11:51
Does anyone know why the Intergrid Teleport project was cancled days after its huge announcement?
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Cito Karu
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01-21-2009 11:51
I wish they'd answer the real questions. rather than delete or ignore for 50 pages.
Questions regarding paypal transfers not answered.
Regarding the quote about future changes of xstreet, since of course lindens in the market of making more money off this deal will they be making selling on xstreet a premium account only feature?
will they be raising commission prices?, start charging for putting up listings? additional charges per image upload?
give us some real info rather than repeating stuff from page 1
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BigD Melville
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I Totally Agree With You! I Have 1047 Items
01-21-2009 11:51
From: Malakh Giles I have been a user of OnRez since it's change from SL Boutique. I have utilized it's vendor system for all my merchandise in outlet stores. I found it to be a very simple and great way to organize, distribute and sell my creations in world due to the simplicity of its integration into the OnRez website. As I am reading this, I am appalled to discover you will be discontinuing the OnRez service, which, in turn I am going to assume, will force me to move to another in-world vendor system for my products. My partner and I have close to 400 products (some people have much, much more) listed on the OnRez website, and use its in-world vendors to distribute our products at our outlet stores. Again, if I am reading this right, now you are going to do away with a service you have aquired with no regard to the amount of time and energy merchants have put forth into it? It will take us days to reconfigure over to a new in-world vendor system. Time that you will be forcing out of our hands due to your decision to aquire and then shut down the OnRez service. I am going to assume your decision is also in an attempt to gain more support of merchants in Second Life and attempt to make the integration of web based sales more fluid into the SL client itself. However, you are, by doing this, creating a rift and angering many merchants like myself, my partner, and others who use this system to do business on the SL grid. Please take into consideration the time required that merchants will be forced to both have and use to move their entire inventories to another in-world vending system. I would emplore you to -not- shut down the OnRez service WITHOUT keeping the in-world vendor support and the web based item listing system as it is now. It would make this decision easier to both absorb and make this integration as seamless and easy as possible for merchants that use the OnRez vendor system. Thank you for reading. WE NEED MORE TIME THEN THREE WEEKS! IT TOOK ME MONTHS TO LIST WHAT I PUT UP ON ONREZ! THEY CANT EXPECT US TO CHANGE THIS STUFF OVER NIGHT
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GJtje Spyker
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Couldn't agree more
01-21-2009 11:52
From: Girlspeedo Latte You overlooked one thing, Lindenlab, SLexchange/Xstreet is butt ugly. Would you buy any fashion items from there? I wouldn't. You should have adapted to Onrez's design. It does matter. I just can't say anything else but that I totally agree with this. Is LL something going to do to change that? Hopefully alter the looks of SLX to the one that OnRez has? And what about the 'shoppers' favorites within OnRez? Will they be merged? I have a lot of items favorited and I know some things are not (yet) on SLX and vice versa.
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Grant Linden
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Catching up on some of these early questions
01-21-2009 11:53
From: Cito Karu Of course the early questions never got answered. The quote talks about plans for future of xstreet. So I'm wondering will they be making premium account holder only selling? Raising price on sales commissions?, charging to upload images to the site?, raising price on ads? so much for somewhat of a free market but at least there's http://www.vitty.jp/ and http://www.apez.biz/We have no plans of making premium accounts a requirement for selling items. There are no plans to raise commissions, charging to upload images or raising prices on ads. We are looking for ways to promote products across the Second Life product offering.
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Flew Voom
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01-21-2009 11:55
From: Alisha Matova Seems to me the only fair way to implement this would be to remove the per sale fees. You (LL) will/can make plenty off the advertising and added item features to support the site.
SLX charging a 5% fee was OK(private business and all), You (LL) charging us that 5% fee is a tax. Yep, this is one of the main objections i have to all this. I now advise all my cutstomers to look on SLX, but buy inworld at my store and not give the money to these money hungry wolves. I wish there was a good alternative for SL to create and sell my products. If there were I would leave right away...and I'm sure a lot of merchants/content creators would do the same. And i've downgraded all my featured item listings right away.
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VooDoo Bamboo
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01-21-2009 11:56
From: Grant Linden We have no plans of making premium accounts a requirement for selling items. There are no plans to raise commissions, charging to upload images or raising prices on ads. We are looking for ways to promote products across the Second Life product offering. Again I ask.... What about the current bans on SLX. Is it all a fresh start? Also does this go for the forum as well? The staff at SLX has ban many people from the U.S. for sticking up for the U.S. during many of their U.S. bashing rants. I would really like a clear yes or no on this question please. Thank you. P.S. I see your green dot so I know your looking at this 
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Insky Jedburgh
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Grant Linden Why Do You Avoid The L$ Exchange Question?
01-21-2009 11:59
From: Quote: Originally Posted by Insky Jedburgh Quote: Originally Posted by Grant Linden Linden Lab support competition and new marketplaces and Linden Dollar exchanges are emerging up all the time. Our interest is to improve the reach of the Xstreet services by integrating them directly into the Second Life experience.
Quote: Any chance of answering the question about the speed of cashing out?
I would like to urge any Linden to address this issue with an answer. It's of critical importance to all users. Will Xstreet's L$ to $ become as slow to transfer to pay pal as Lindex is?
Please don't avoid this question.
This is the single most huge issue with Xstreet users, and you address this please. It's an issue of trust/Quote
Thus far the issue of whether the speed with which Xstreet users could withdraw their US$ after selling L$ on the exchange, to paypal has been totally avoided. I think this is pretty important.
I will quote a FAQ that seems to indicate the efficiency of the Xstreet exchange will be replaced with the delays and problems of the Lindex
from the FAQ: Xstreet has a Linden Dollar exchange. What will happen to that exchange?
For the immediate future, the Xstreet SL Linden Dollar exchange will remain open and active with no changes. We will monitor activity and will temporarily disable the exchange if we see anything unexpected. Otherwise, we don't intend to make any long term decisions about the future of the Xstreet SL Linden Dollar exchange until we have learned some if its intricacies over the coming months. If necessary, we will make modifications to the Xstreet exchange as needed, but no modifications are currently planned.
Ok so please Grant, just tell us, can we anticipate the L$ exchange to US$ to paypal we engaged in on Xstreet basically being reduced to the inefficiency of the Lindex?
I started pressing this issue back on page 49, and others even earlier. Thus far the Lindens won't touch it.
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Ann Otoole
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01-21-2009 11:59
Hey Grant if I buy a banner ad program on XStreet will it now begin to appear on all Secondlife.com web site pages? Might be worth it if you did that. Let's get that website all spiffed up with lots of flashing animated gifs, google ad sense with the constant IMVU ads, etc. 
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Chaffro Schoonmaker
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01-21-2009 12:02
From: Grant Linden We have no plans of making premium accounts a requirement for selling items. There are no plans to raise commissions, charging to upload images or raising prices on ads. We are looking for ways to promote products across the Second Life product offering. Sorry, again Grant, this seems to have been overlooked - maybe it's getting lost in thye mix, but I do think by looking over some other forum posts, it is an issue that affects a number of people, so I shall repost...again. What sort of compensation package will you be offering merchants who have paid to customise their OnRez vendor systems, and now, presumably have to replace them? I can see nothing in the FAQ about them being compatible with a new system.
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Yuriko Nishi
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01-21-2009 12:05
From: VooDoo Bamboo Again I ask.... What about the current bans on SLX. Is it all a fresh start? Also does this go for the forum as well? The staff at SLX has ban many people from the U.S. for sticking up for the U.S. during many of their U.S. bashing rants. I would really like a clear yes or no on this question please. Thank you. P.S. I see your green dot so I know your looking at this  it starts to get old voodoo...
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Trenton Bonetto
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looking out for us
01-21-2009 12:05
Im so happy to hear that Linden Labs is doing this for our benefit not they're own? As we been asking for this ? And I love the way you choose to only reply to positive comments.. cant wait for the news (after you have gotten rid of all the cometition) that Linden Labs is being aquired by Microsfot or Google!! Oh happy day!! Is nice to see you you have the resources to do this,but not to make a stable platform for the asset servers.. or will you pass that on to the people that aquire you?
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VooDoo Bamboo
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01-21-2009 12:06
From: Yuriko Nishi it starts to get old voodoo... So don't read it. G that was easy.
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Skell Dagger
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01-21-2009 12:08
/me winces. Please optimise the new Xstreet site for more than just Internet Explorer. It's a complete MESS in Firefox, with the search box and text overlapping the Marketplace, Currency Exchange, Real Estate and Forums buttons. Screenshots: http://www.flickr.com/photos/skelldagger/3216289052/
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Snickers Snook
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01-21-2009 12:09
I am reposting much of this from my response in the Resident Answers forum.
As a vendor AND customer on both XLStreet and Onrez, a number of things struck me:
1. While OnRez was clearly dying due to lack of features (searches are particularly bad), a number of fairly large vendors have been exclusively using OnRez. OnRez also had a working in-world multiple item vendor system which is much better than SLX/XStreetSL's.
I noticed LL made no mention of providing any mechanism for Onrez vendors to help them migrate over to XStreetSL. What a PITA that will be.
2. OnRez has never charged commissions for sales so I never figured out what their business model was until now -- build a platform then sell it to LL.
3. If XStreetSL is integrated with the SL Viewer and you don't have to create a new and separate account to use it, I can only see sales using that venue going up -- assuming LL doesn't totally screw up the commission system or the user interface.
If I mention SLExchange / XStreetSL now to someone, they either don't know about it or they do but won't bother to setup an account. If your SL account IS your XStreetSL account, then it probably opens your offline market by a factor of what, 10x?? 100x??.
One thing that has never been very effective for me on XStreetSL are the enhanced listings. Those fees have never been covered by proportionate sales increases. I would hope this can improve.
4. I closed my in-world store earlier this month and am now exclusively on XLStreetSL. There was too much personal maintenance and rent and not enough sales. Since all my stuff is in packages (clothing mostly), having the actual item out on display isn't really possible or necessary. Soooo, I think this will definitely reduce the value of inworld commercial property for certain kinds of goods.
5. I hope this doesn't affect is the ability to sell things in-world directly without paying a commission to LL. If LL figures out how to charge on every sale, we're doomed since they will have taken their eyes completely off the user experience.
6. Finally I think the ability for non-premium account holders to participate in an off-line market is important. I've heard rumors the LL will require you to be premium if you are a vendor. Pfft to that. (Even though I'm premium.)
To Linden Labs, please remember, while this is your business, it's "our" community. Do no harm.
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Cito Karu
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01-21-2009 12:09
From: Grant Linden We have no plans of making premium accounts a requirement for selling items. There are no plans to raise commissions, charging to upload images or raising prices on ads. We are looking for ways to promote products across the Second Life product offering. Thank you.
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Snickers Snook
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01-21-2009 12:13
From: Skell Dagger Please optimise the new Xstreet site for more than just Internet Explorer. It's a complete MESS in Firefox, with the search box and text overlapping the Marketplace, Currency Exchange, Real Estate and Forums buttons.
Hmmm. I don't have that problem at all in Firefox 3.
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MaCelia Morane
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Suggestions from an OnRez customer
01-21-2009 12:16
Hi - Here are some things I liked about OnRez that I hope you'll consider incorporating into the XStreet SL service:
--The OnRez website is very nicely designed - don't much like the look & feel of XStreet
--I liked the convenience of adding to the OnRez account anywhere in-world using the wallet (rather than having to go to a specific place/find a kiosk).
--OnRez allowed me to set up "identities" for my main avie and a couple of alts for product purchase/delivery - I don't see that on XStreet (unless I missed it somewhere)
And one other search feature on my "wish list" for any service like this is a way to filter out "DEMO" products (again, maybe I missed it, couldn't find)
And a last comment on the entire announcement - I think it's unfortunate to take choices away from your customers - seems like a monopolizing move to me. But, it's a done deal, so I guess we'll have to live with it or only go in-world to shop now. Hope it all works out somehow!
Just my 2 cents from a consumer's viewpoint (rather than a vendor).
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Insky Jedburgh
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Grant: Us$ To Paypal To Be Compromised?
01-21-2009 12:16
From: Insky Jedburgh From: Quote: Originally Posted by Insky Jedburgh Quote: Originally Posted by Grant Linden Linden Lab support competition and new marketplaces and Linden Dollar exchanges are emerging up all the time. Our interest is to improve the reach of the Xstreet services by integrating them directly into the Second Life experience.
Quote: Any chance of answering the question about the speed of cashing out?
I would like to urge any Linden to address this issue with an answer. It's of critical importance to all users. Will Xstreet's L$ to $ become as slow to transfer to pay pal as Lindex is?
Please don't avoid this question.
This is the single most huge issue with Xstreet users, and you address this please. It's an issue of trust/Quote
Thus far the issue of whether the speed with which Xstreet users could withdraw their US$ after selling L$ on the exchange, to paypal has been totally avoided. I think this is pretty important.
I will quote a FAQ that seems to indicate the efficiency of the Xstreet exchange will be replaced with the delays and problems of the Lindex
from the FAQ: Xstreet has a Linden Dollar exchange. What will happen to that exchange?
For the immediate future, the Xstreet SL Linden Dollar exchange will remain open and active with no changes. We will monitor activity and will temporarily disable the exchange if we see anything unexpected. Otherwise, we don't intend to make any long term decisions about the future of the Xstreet SL Linden Dollar exchange until we have learned some if its intricacies over the coming months. If necessary, we will make modifications to the Xstreet exchange as needed, but no modifications are currently planned.
Ok so please Grant, just tell us, can we anticipate the L$ exchange to US$ to paypal we engaged in on Xstreet basically being reduced to the inefficiency of the Lindex?
I started pressing this issue back on page 49, and others even earlier. Thus far the Lindens won't touch it.
I'm going to keep pushing this issue until there is an Official Linden response from Grant or someone else with a Linden last name perhaps, "Were not really fixing it" Linden.
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Sweet Valentine
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Vendors Please
01-21-2009 12:20
i have over 3500 items on onrez all linked to vendors this is just crazy giving less than 3 weeks to transfer things over and NO vendors available to transfer too, once again lindens YOU SCREW YOUR CUSTOMERS OVER! Why don't you for once plan something out fully before you shut down a major part of peoples business ,you should have in place an easy way for us to transition over and also have vendor options available or leave it alone, but again linden labs only thinks of themselves, that is becoming EVER SO apparent. I know for one I will never again recommend second life as a place to do business to anyone as linden labs does not have there customers interests at heart only there damn bank accounts. This is also making me think about canceling my premium account as well. I'm afraid to think what is next for SL residents what will you drop on us all next? I'm not against buying out the 2 online store I'm against removing the vendors and no easy transition for us, Why oh why can you all never plan things out better,when will you learn that you need to talk to the users of the areas first You never ask us what we want o see or how we feel until after the fact and get us all PO'd remember WE ARE YOUR USER BASE
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RichD Tomsen
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Where now???
01-21-2009 12:22
52 Pages.... way to much to read everything.... so I'll ask here.... forgive me if its already been posted.
I have been using SLX to purchase and Exchange Lindens. Partially because It was a much easier and smother transaction, but Mostly because I didn't want to give any "Commission" to Lindens since they really don't do anything to deserve it.
So now the question is where can I purchase/exchange lindens that is not under direct control by LL. I really much rather give my commission money to a service provider that uses it to improve the quality of SL life, then to a company that greedely takes it and does nothing but take more.....
At least now we know where all that money us land owners paid LL was going, the purchase of its competition.
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Ana Lutetia
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01-21-2009 12:24
Hi,
I hope you will change the interface.
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Morgaine Christensen
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01-21-2009 12:25
From: MJ Haigh one reason that I used onrez more than xstreet is because of the ability to add money at anytime, quickly and easily, ANYWHERE in world with the onrez wallet. Having to find a terminal to add funds is annoying, and often when SL has their typical issues of not being able to TP, this causes headaches for me, and often times I will find the same item, or similar at onrez.com, because of the ease of adding money into my account.
in all honesty though..is this a safe idea when as it is LL has enough trouble keeping the grid from failing almost on a daily basis now? Fix one project before you start another. Make a stable grid and impress all of us 2+ year vets, as we all say, at least most, "SL wouldn't be SL if it was 'normal' we expect a grid crash or issues on a daily basis, if not..then something is bound to happen and go massivly wrong" Use to, you could get a deposit box from SLX ...pay it direct and not have to use a terminal if I remember correctly.
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Shockwave Yareach
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01-21-2009 12:31
From: Grant Linden Moving forward we can learn from what has been working for our residents on Xstreet and Onrez in order to make the viewer search more effective. What makes the search in XstreetSL work is the simple fact that it is ALL merchandise. Nobody tries to game their escort service there. Nobody starts the name of their club with aaaaaaaa, trying to get first listing. The site has "stuff for sale" and that's it. Nothing more. Search is better now that it has been broken up some. But there are still people putting every keyword under the sun for their businesses, as if they make money when someone drops in and doesn't find what they are looking for. Consider a "Pay by Keyword" model where the first 15 keywords to search through are free, but 100L onetime charge for every keyword beyond that. That would help make search more relevant. Likewise, a MARKETPLACE search like that in XstreetSL limited only to merchandise for sale would be a blessing.
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