Xstreet SL and OnRez to Join Linden Lab!
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Isetine Heron
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01-21-2009 12:34
From: RichD Tomsen 52 Pages.... way to much to read everything.... so I'll ask here.... forgive me if its already been posted.
I have been using SLX to purchase and Exchange Lindens. Partially because It was a much easier and smother transaction, but Mostly because I didn't want to give any "Commission" to Lindens since they really don't do anything to deserve it.
So now the question is where can I purchase/exchange lindens that is not under direct control by LL. I really much rather give my commission money to a service provider that uses it to improve the quality of SL life, then to a company that greedely takes it and does nothing but take more.....
At least now we know where all that money us land owners paid LL was going, the purchase of its competition. I too am extremely worried that the overall function of the SLX Linden Exchange is now in control of the linden labs. But believe me they won't answer this one. Cause it was likely one of the biggest reasons they bought out Xstreet. (The nice answer being that they did it for ease of use for the residents of SL) They'll say, we're going to leave it alone, but there is no way to monitor that to the hundredth of a penny! Course without having complete control over all virtual worlds cause of the open source they did have to try to regulate their own dollar exchange system didn't they. With all the extra single to triple lindens I got per transaction, the "commission" that Xstreet took, I just saw the extra charge as nullified cause of the benefits of purchasing lindens through SLX... Again, I'm watching to see what will happen, it will take time. The overall fees that the lindens like to charge in world totaled over .22 cents per transaction I made of 500 or 1k lindens. When i'd do this on Xstreet i'd only pay about .11 to .15 cents... I guess we're not talking about lots of money here, but small amounts over thousands of transactions.... |
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01-21-2009 12:35
From: Snickers Snook
1. While OnRez was clearly dying due to lack of features (searches are particularly bad)
I get much better results with OnRez's search engine, actually. It could probably use some more 'search by' options, but the basic search seems to return far fewer items that make me go "WTH does that have to do with boots/belts/pose stands/whatever?"
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Noam Sprocket
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01-21-2009 12:36
From: Ann Launay I get much better results with OnRez's search engine, actually. It could probably use some more 'search by' options, but the basic search seems to return far fewer items that make me go "WTH does that have to do with boots/belts/pose stands/whatever?" Agreed. Searching SLX gives a bunch of results but like 80% are not relevant. |
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01-21-2009 12:37
From: Ann Launay I get much better results with OnRez's search engine, actually. It could probably use some more 'search by' options, but the basic search seems to return far fewer items that make me go "WTH does that have to do with boots/belts/pose stands/whatever?" I've had better results as well. I can find genres and obscure objects better at OnRez.
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Nimue Jewell
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01-21-2009 12:39
From: Ann Launay I get much better results with OnRez's search engine, actually. It could probably use some more 'search by' options, but the basic search seems to return far fewer items that make me go "WTH does that have to do with boots/belts/pose stands/whatever?" Add another agree. |
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GJtje Spyker
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01-21-2009 12:42
From: Noam Sprocket Agreed.
Searching SLX gives a bunch of results but like 80% are not relevant. Have you've ever tried Google? Because when you try to search for something there, you can add the option site: to the query. Typing the URL of the website behind it (for example land site  econdlife.com) Google will be searching for pages with 'land' within secondlife.com domain. |
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Insky Jedburgh
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To RichD Tomsen
01-21-2009 12:45
From: RichD Tomsen 52 Pages.... way to much to read everything.... so I'll ask here.... forgive me if its already been posted.
I have been using SLX to purchase and Exchange Lindens. Partially because It was a much easier and smother transaction, but Mostly because I didn't want to give any "Commission" to Lindens since they really don't do anything to deserve it.
So now the question is where can I purchase/exchange lindens that is not under direct control by LL. I really much rather give my commission money to a service provider that uses it to improve the quality of SL life, then to a company that greedely takes it and does nothing but take more.....
At least now we know where all that money us land owners paid LL was going, the purchase of its competition. I have used Apez.biz periodically to exchange L$, the rate is higher than on Xstreet typically, but the transfer to Pay Pal is just as fast as Xstreet used to be. I keep asking Grant to address this question of whether we will all have to suffer with slow Lindex transfers to Paypal, but he's just avoiding the question as are the rest of the Lindens. |
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GJtje Spyker
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01-21-2009 12:48
From: Insky Jedburgh I have used Apez.biz periodically to exchange L$, the rate is higher than on Xstreet typically, but the transfer to Pay Pal is just as fast as Xstreet used to be. I keep asking Grant to address this question of whether we will all have to suffer with slow Lindex transfers to Paypal, but he's just avoiding the question as are the rest of the Lindens. Well, it seems you answered your question yourself. SLX and Apex seem to suffer the same PayPal problems don't they? So it can't be a problem of SL, but just PayPal. I suggest you contact PayPal about that. If I did understand you wrong, could you explain your question in a more detailed way? |
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Noam Sprocket
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01-21-2009 12:50
From: GJtje Spyker Have you've ever tried Google? Because when you try to search for something there, you can add the option site: to the query. Typing the URL of the website behind it (for example land site econdlife.com) Google will be searching for pages with 'land' within secondlife.com domain. No I've never tried Google. |
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Snap Spitteler
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01-21-2009 12:53
From: GJtje Spyker Well, it seems you answered your question yourself. SLX and Apex seem to suffer the same PayPal problems don't they? So it can't be a problem of SL, but just PayPal. I suggest you contact PayPal about that.
If I did understand you wrong, could you explain your question in a more detailed way? you totally missunderstood. He said that apez.biz transactions get to the pay pal account quicker (like xstreets was) but the rate is higher.So it is not a pay pal problem but a SL problem.The reason for the delay i don't know but can only guess... |
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Girlspeedo Latte
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01-21-2009 12:54
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Originally Posted by Grant Linden
"Moving forward we can learn from what has been working for our residents on Xstreet and Onrez in order to make the viewer search more effective."
In other words, minimise consumer options and monopolise the market. Lindenlab has clearly got taken over by Bill Gates.
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RichD Tomsen
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Thanks for the Info
01-21-2009 12:55
From: Insky Jedburgh I have used Apez.biz periodically to exchange L$, the rate is higher than on Xstreet typically, but the transfer to Pay Pal is just as fast as Xstreet used to be. I keep asking Grant to address this question of whether we will all have to suffer with slow Lindex transfers to Paypal, but he's just avoiding the question as are the rest of the Lindens. I would expect this will be a big deal for Apez. One I hope they enjoy and run with. To be perfectly honest, I will go out of my way to avoid using any service that benefits LL directly. They have proven time and again that they don't deserve it, and they really don't care one way or another for their customer base. So in a few months time we have said fairwell to the popular OS sims, and now I can bid adue to the one part of my SL exspeiance that I was truelly happy with. One that was consistantly functioning and was well supported. I hope the privious owners got a bundle of cash, good luck to them. It will be interesting to watch what happends now. at least I can watch from the safety of being outside of it all.
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01-21-2009 12:58
I would hate to see OnRez go for the following reasons:
1) vendor system
2) ease of listing items - editing as group, removing items, etc
3) no commission paid - SLX charges commission on each sale.
I once contacted xStreet regarding content teft of Dante skin that is sold as Michael skin on xstreet and they fobbed it off, saying it is up to creator to raise concern. This kind of uneducated ignorance which only benefits them as they like LL make money from people selling stuff regardless, has put me off their service quite a bit.
I have great concerns about search function and classifieds in SL at the moment which is abused and hardly usable for specialised items that you can easily search xstreet for. Making search function integrated with SL's on xstreet may NOT be good for merchants. Let the war of keywords begin!
Further, I sell shapes on x-street they are listed under mature content for who knows what reason - all my models are dressed - how will this be regulated?
I guess we all have concerns which come with any changes that are implemented. I do hope that change would be beneficial to us.
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01-21-2009 12:59
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Wednesday, January 21, 2009; 3:07 PM
Second Life parent company Linden Lab has acquired XStreet SL and OnRez, a pair of virtual goods trading sites. Terms of the deals were not disclosed, but the SF-based company plans to consolidate both sites under the XStreet SL brand. It's a push to grab a larger piece of the booming virtual economy the company created?but hasn't been fully reaping the benefits of: Linden Lab said Second Life residents spent $360 million on virtual goods and services in 2008, and it only got a cut of the sales by charging in-world vendors land ownership fees. Third party sites like XStreet (formerly called SL Exchange) have been exempt because they don't operate in-world; these deals change that.
While residents will still be able to buy and sell virtual items on the Web, Linden Lab will now profit from the 5 percent commission merchants previously paid to the sites?which amounted to about $1.8 million last year, per the LAT. The additional income may help stave off future land rental price hikes, as Linden Lab has to balance being profitable with keeping land prices from spiking, which would drive residents away from owning virtual land altogether
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Argent Stonecutter
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01-21-2009 13:01
From: GJtje Spyker Well, it seems you answered your question yourself. SLX and Apex seem to suffer the same PayPal problems don't they? I think the section of the message you quoted stated that they *didn't* suffer from those problems. |
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Insky Jedburgh
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TO GJtje Spyker
01-21-2009 13:04
From: GJtje Spyker Well, it seems you answered your question yourself. SLX and Apex seem to suffer the same PayPal problems don't they? So it can't be a problem of SL, but just PayPal. I suggest you contact PayPal about that.
If I did understand you wrong, could you explain your question in a more detailed way? People who use Lindex to sell their L$ often have to wait 1 to 2 weeks before the US$ from that sale go to their account. People who sell L$ on Xstreet's exchange or on Apez exchange generally can see the transfer happen within a few seconds. Xstreet was by far the best exchange for that purpose because of excellent customer service on failed transactions, and their lightning fast transfer to paypal. My question to Grant Linden was regarding whether the efficient Xstreet L$ exchange would be replaced by the inefficient Lindex . . . .thus far, no answer. |
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Jazmina Firefly
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01-21-2009 13:07
From: Anais Gaea I am a merchant on both XstreetSL and Onrez. The features I like from OnRez that I'd like to see on XStreet are the OnREz wallet , I have mine rezzed on my land, its easy to add money when needed, and I dont have to find a terminal, and the item entry format. I like the tabulated pages for each item, the ability to view and edit two or more items at once on the same web page so I can copy/paste between them, and the fact that OnRez uses colors that are easier on the eyes than XStreets drab black and white. I would like to see these features incorporated into XStreetSL.. I agree with that post those are the best features for me aswell. onrez was much more user friendly then xstreet. It allows bulk posting of items and bulk edit rather then only allowing single edit. I know myself and a ton of others have been asking for this feature to be added to xstreet for awhile now. The wallet was a great thing too i would love to have that with xstreet. I also liked the profit splitting setup on onrez much better then the one on xstreet |
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Loki Ball
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01-21-2009 13:09
From: Grant Linden This is the kind of vision we are looking forward to delivering to our residents. Please continue to let us know how we can make buying and selling easier for you. Yes.... I have something you could easily do to help make buying and selling easier for me Grant. You can reactivate my SLX account. Thanks in advance for your timely response. I'm happy to hear at linden labs your approach to this is to allow an easier way to market.. Not to restrict some people from sharing the same ease of marketing their products. I look foreward to a smooth and drama free transition and look ahead to a future that promotes individual growth as well as growth for the whole. Thanks for taking your time to address a few of the points of concern in the forum today Grant. |
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Zanthor Shiras
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01-21-2009 13:10
If Linden Labs is NOT going to support those of use who use Shop.OnRez in-world Vendors come their February 11th "farewell to OnRez" date, I wish they would state it as such. The longer I wait to move to Apez is the less time I have to move my Shop.OnRez business to them. Hmmm... is that part of their strategy? I hope not! Likewise, please tell me that LL is not in negotiations with Apez?
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Tristin Mikazuki
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01-21-2009 13:10
The Labs says they want to hear from us.. but they have said that on all of thier BIG arsed mistakes... they dont really want to hear from us look at the past.. they just want to try to "handle" the situation.
Now would be a great time for a old slx style site to pop up they would get alot of people in a hurry no one trusts the Lab to do an exchange or support with thier track record.
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01-21-2009 13:12
From: Pilgrim Proost Well, it is nice that SL acquired SLex. None of this matters unless the real problem of the inworld search engine gets fixed in the manner I prescribed in JIRA ticket https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-2685. The changes weren't made, and as a result, Second Life LOST one of its finest furniture stores. That's because CRAP stores keep showing up near the top of the "ALL TAB." while some superb stores were lucky to be listed in the top 10 pages. I pleaded with the "searchfeedback" team for almost a year to make the needed change, and nothing got done. Therefore, I, Pilgrim Proost SHUT DOWN "Prooster's furniture," which featured designs by some of SL's most renowned builders. Then I sold my land, and downgraded my account to a freebie account, after having invested over $6,000.00 USD in SL to build my enterprise. SL lost one of their biggest fans and champions, and I haven't been back in almost a year. Then out of the blue, I get this EMAIL informing me that they bought SLEX????? Are you kidding me? I think I better get an EMAIL requesting my advise on how to REVIVE the SL economy before I get informed that they made an inconsequential (and probably desperate) acquisition!!! So, I'm really happy they bought SLex. Whoop whoop. How about going and looking at the real solution, SVC-2685, and implementing that change, then you can email me. PILGRIM GDMFing PROOST I Second that. What is SL without it's quality creators? Another noob island that's what it is. It seems it is not only enough to be talented, work hard but you also have to overcome system limitations to sustain yourself in SL. Search function is terrible - this is my main concern. If there was something that was working on slx it was this. With integration of the 2 can we expect that this would make our sales better? I am sure that is your intention but reality is with all the changes that you are making from sim cost to search functions which dictate profit margins for many businesses in SL, during these hard economic times you will be seeing more and more of them dissapearing. All your decisions NOW determine your future. It would be shame to have a world where the best looking tree and skin look like something made by Linden Lab. That is not very attractive world to be part of now is it?
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Tristin Mikazuki
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01-21-2009 13:13
From: Insky Jedburgh People who use Lindex to sell their L$ often have to wait 1 to 2 weeks before the US$ from that sale go to their account.
People who sell L$ on Xstreet's exchange or on Apez exchange generally can see the transfer happen within a few seconds.
Xstreet was by far the best exchange for that purpose because of excellent customer service on failed transactions, and their lightning fast transfer to paypal.
My question to Grant Linden was regarding whether the efficient Xstreet L$ exchange would be replaced by the inefficient Lindex . . . .thus far, no answer. Isky I think thats your answer... slexcange is dead in the water.. |
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01-21-2009 13:14
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01-21-2009 13:16
From: Zanthor Shiras If Linden Labs is NOT going to support those of use who use Shop.OnRez in-world Vendors come their February 11th "farewell to OnRez" date, I wish they would state it as such. The longer I wait to move to Apez is the less time I have to move my Shop.OnRez business to them. I don't think you would be doing yourself a favor by waiting. |
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01-21-2009 13:17
From: Maddox DuPont I Second that. What is SL without it's quality creators? OpenSim. |
