Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

Bravo!

This is not about improved choices. This is about fewer choices. It's about restriction. It's about making the SL experience, as Mitch Kapor puts it, "predictable".

In other words, bland and boring.

It's amazing that the creators of this unlimited virtual world are so blind and narrow minded that they can't see what they themselves have created. In an interview, Kapor goes on about how IBM employees love to gather at the company's virtual cafe and chat.

How limited is that? A freaking Starbucks...when they could be chatting while perched high on a cliff above the ocean...flying as dragons through the air and calling to one another...lost in one-man space pods, trying to find each other before the air runs out. Or a thousand other possibilities. Including quite a few that are...well, adult. But as we've been screaming for the last three days, we are all (supposedly) adults here.

It was back at post 667.
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Wonder if any former teen grid residents have posted yet..

I think everyone is taking it the wrong way. Teen grid wasn't as "disenyfied" as everyone seems to think, most of the major landholders were armies that tried to blow each other to bits. Hell i even OWNED a weapon store (average sales = 60,000$L/MO). creating a new PG only landmass wont fix the problem since there is already a "PG ONLY" landmass and its called the teen grid.

As I read it, the lindens only want to move the EXPLICIT sexual or violent content to a new landmass, so im guessing this means if im driving down the road on mg i wont have to see masters walking there naked slaves, or the occasional mutilation spike I'm OK with that because me and im guessing 98% of people are really disgusted by someone being torn to bits or burned.

But if it's really only 2-4% of the mainland that needs to move because of these new rules, don't you think it's a bit of an overreaction on LL's part to create a whole new continent and force that 2-4% to move?

With most people TPing instead of roaming the grid, how often do you think that somebody who's truly offended by such a thing actually stumbles across a slave being walked or some spiky thing?

Yes! *THAT* is where I want to get an apartment... PhallaSee Towers!
I hope the elevator buttons are similarly themed.
And it could have random "fountains" from the *ahem* top like a Vegas hotel show.

That would beat the 150foot Christian Cross being planted on every mainland region.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

If you are in a Mature sim, guess what you are going to see? Mature conduct! It's like the strip in Vegas. You don't wanna see hookers? Don't go there. You don't wanna see gambling? Don't go there. You don't wanna see Gorean stuff? Stay out of the Gorean sims! You don't wanna see vampires and demons getting it on in the back of a club? Stay out of the *bleeping* club!! Unless there is some fault which forcibly teleports you into the DeSade Party Barrel everytime you TP to Hello Kitty Island Adventure, you've only yourself to blame if you go where the "action" is and see "action".

It is far easier to create a new continent where no sex or anything mature at all is permitted, than it is to try to piecemeal patrol the massive mainland and prevent something from being viewable... except in private homes on certain sims when the moon is a certain phase. Oh, is that a private home? I'm not sure... A G continent will be easy to keep G rated. Making the entire grid safe for family viewing? Impossible without losing 50% to 75% of your customers - the ONLY people who have stuck with LL through good times and bad. The only way you'll make the mainland safe for kiddies is to ban anything sexual or violent altogether. And that, honestly, will be the last straw for many of us who came into this believing the promise of an adult community where it was "Our world - Our imagination." Whether it's about sex, guns, combat, torture or whatever else you care to name - if it's not your thing then don't go where it IS their thing. And they, in turn, will leave you and YOUR thing alone as well.

1. See the "definitions" thread. Nobody has EVER been able to define what's objectionable content and what isn't, here or anywhere, ever...because opinions vary so widely. What is "explicit"?

2. Let's say we do succeed in defining it. Moving businesses only won't help in the situations you describe. Masters will still be allowed to walk their leashed slaves. It's not a business, you see. Oh, the slave is nude? But nudity, per se, is not considered "adult" content.

3. They pulled the draft definitions down. Now we have NO idea what content they are aiming at, or any reason at all to believe that "2-4%" figure.

As for mutilation spikes, I couldn't tell one apart from a lamp post, unless there was somebody on it.

They created a barely working hardware and software system, which is far from any perfection, that´s all. Honestly, NOTHING they "created" works properly and reliable. They do not even work in compliance with their own ToS, which they "created".

So, Second Life was created by the users themselves in very first place. Subculture, a virtual world with an own ruleset, with self created content - and this IN SPITE of all the flaws in software and hardware Linden Lab never managed to fix.

And now the provider starts to mess up with the subculture and community in a way which will not do any good, which is arrogant, illogical and a balant annoyance. If Linden Lab management does not finally realise that it´s not IBM , Disney and the corporations nor the education sector which keep their provider business running, but a fragile but totally dedicated community of free spirited individuals, they´ll be out of their business pretty soon.

The credit Linden Lab truly deserves is that they let ppl develop this community, in free creativity and beyond any boring and restrictive moral ruleset. And now THIS.

Another attempt of commercial suicide.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but...



I've never been in Teen Grid, as I'm an adult - but I'm surprised... 'they' (Teen Grid/LL) allow 'armies...to blow each other to bits' but an occasional mutilation spike or a naked Resident on a leash just being 'walked' in the main grid really disgusts you?

Oh, I'm probably going to get removed for digressing - but a) I'm quite worried that those specific examples could be seen as explicit in an 18+ environment (though I don't think they have any place in PG land), and b) I'm obviously totally unaware of the levels of explicit (read: violence) content in the Teen Grid.

It's not difficult to find the sit target on most lampposts

/me points out that this is page 69 of the thread and should therefore be moved to a different forum.

Exactly. The whole plan is tabula rasa anyway.
The targets were picked (2-5% of the grid "offends".
The time was picked (May).

So, I gave up trying to fight it, and instead, want to embrace the new plan to the n-th degree.

I don't want to see any of that bleached sanitary content because *that* offends me.

How about a teleport limiter so I can choose to NEVER accidentally TP to some G, PG, or *cough* Mature sim. And, one that causes the grid to never FORCE me into such a place when all the servers are already on fire.

How about an auto-mute anyone who is not age-verified?
Or, automute anyone who doesn't class themselves as a Perv-level "Adult" or better?

How about search and classified filters to turn *off* G, PG, PG-13, NC-17 and all the other ratings?

I want an R-rated or worse SL experience only. At least that way I can be free to make my own choices about being an adult, rather than have Big Brother Linden help me out there.

If everyone rushes to Hooterville, Boobland, Schlongo, Gor-gonzola, etc and "ghost-towns" the mainland, maybe LL will get the idea. 250 sims should **not** be enough to hold everyone who wants to get away from the shiny-happy-dull-as-drivel mainland (and the folks who want such) after this plan goes into effect.

Everyone strip, attach your collars, prim parts, and get ready to stake your claim on the last free-to-think area that will be left in SL.

All hail the 2009 Porn Land Rush!

Im not TP'ing to those sims, its when i am driving on the Mainland(aka the road being public land) and it is easily visible from the road.


I don't think anyone is understanding the reason LL is doing this, In RL PUBLIC VIEW people will think sl is just about sex and volince if they see that stuff while exploring the mainland grid. It only takes one extreme "Child Protector" mother to spark a shitstorm saying SL is a horrible place for anyone to go to.

Interesting.

So this problem goes away if LL reclasses land surrounding their roads as PG?

Then we should have a G continent for you where you can drive to your hearts content without any danger of someone offending you just by walking down the road. There can NEVER be any guarantee that someone on mainland isn't going to open their door and flash you -- and good luck ARing that (he's in his home in a mature sim.) In a G continent, you'd be able to get mr. pervybritches AR'd and removed from the sim in an instant. And all without telling everyone else in SL what to do just because Ms. Hutson is driving around this afternoon and we certainly don't want her to see any odd nipples.

We have land in a mature sim next to a road that we bought because it was in a mature sim next to a road.

The only traffic I've ever seen on the road, by the way, has been people driving the freebie busses that you can get at the Noonkkot bus stop I set up.

Ive been reading most of the posts, but obviously not all. I have not read yet, what I believe to be the true motivation behind a segregation of the Adult content.

LL wants to first segragate it, because after they do that, they are going to make AC pay more and make anyone wanting to be apart of AC pay monthly fees to access.

There is a "game" out there now, call RedLight, if i remember correctly. Looks a lot like SL, difference is, i was told that you cant even get naked w/o paying a monthly fee. I'm sure SL has been looking at this and thinking.. .hmmm.. we need that here, why should we let everyone do AC for FREE??? If you look at the history of SL, and I have been here since mid 2005, everything they do, is motivated by greed.

My belief is this is just the first step to them making more money off of the AC. It has nothing to do with "protecting" anyone.

We now have several open grids, lets make them better! The best revenge in ANY life is to be happy. Spend some of your money on helping these other grids to be true competition for SL. Then we can have a real choice and maybe SL will get the message loud and clear.

Hardly. My entire existence in SL is pretty much an adult/X show.
I think it would be great to have a place that caters... a Porn Park is one thing.

Instead people have purchased land, services, etc to build their homes and businesses in existing places to find some jackbooted moving company is knocking on the door. Recourse? None. Move, or get booted from the grid entirely.

In effect, Darth Linden said, "I am altering the bargain, pray I don't alter it further" well after the deal was made and people took them up on it.

Despite the wishy washy Linden responses, the *facts* are that the targets and timeline were picked before the announcement, and all this "openness" and "community solicitation" is once-again a sham, which is also highly irksome from some place which fraudulently crows "Your world. Your imagination." from the front page.

LL pretends to be a service provider, but, they go far beyond providing services for cash, into dictating how you will use the service, usually without bothering to ask any statistically significant portion of the service's user base. Forcing legal compliance is one thing. Everyone has to comply with the laws. However, these proprosals and the Linden plans impose far stricter definition than the laws require, making it an expression of "in-house" political agenda they want to charge us for.

Personally, I object because I want LL to stop wasting their time interfering with how legitimate grown-up users of the service choose to use it. I want them to focus on fixing the numerous service problems. Everyone had to agree that SL was 18+ adult in order to be here. So, if they want to change the grid rating system, then they should flag all existing regions as "Adult" by default, and then let new regions choose while existing regions clean up to meet whatever non'Adult rating they want to have.

Personally, I intend to stick to the Adult end of the gridpool anyway. I am allergic to Barney the Purple Dinosaur and any amount of Disney-fication makes me ill.

Anyone that has even had the joy of buying a wonderful plot of land and working their butt off to make is beautiful, only to have the unimaginable move in next to them ... knows this is about more than casual driving around.

Well, there's a new and scary thought. You may be right...but I don't think so. LL has permitted, but never (yet) seemed to care about the "X-rated" community or think of them as anything other than an embarrassment. It'd be a big shift for them to suddenly think of them as a profit center.

As for the alternatives...well, the two most-likely-to-eventually compete with SL operations both prohibit any sex at all. Fooey.

And is that unimaginable within a Mature sim? Did you buy land in a mature sim, hmm? And are you unable to put up a privacy wall between you and said eyesore so you don't have to see it?

<quote>I am confused by this entire anti-"adult" push, especially when I've seen welcome area notecards describing the "adult" opportunities in SL.

Creating a new continent just for "adult" is no different than the old suggestions of the "porn grid" and such. The entire idea just smacks of creating a "porn ghetto" for the edification of a narrow-minded minority, and publicity reasons.

If I had a vote here, which I don't, I would vote "no" to this whole "politically correct and marketable for the squeamish" idea. When I signed up to SL, the terms clearly stated the Agni grid was for *adults* 18+. So, its not like a surprise that "adult things" happen. Please stop trying to turn LL into toddler's playpen and let people be the adults they are without interference. "Mature" areas are fine *as-is* with the Community Standards and ToS to provide guidelines if its a mature region, then expect to see mature stuff, and if you cam into someone's house, you may get a facefull of content you didn't know was possible. Being an 18+ year old resident means understanding that others may want "adult content" and do "adult things", without having to go to a cramped ghetto to get it.

Bottom line, if we wanted the Linden Police to approve and veto everything, we would have gone to There.com.</quote>


you really should just create a pg, noob friendly zone and leave the beeping grid as is. the filters do work and this is for a lack of a better word retarded

Well, does it make a difference to you if there is a megaprim penis or a megaprim Mickey Mosue?

This brings home to me the fact that we have no rights nor any ownership in SL. No matter what we buy here, including land and all of our inventory. SL can wipe it out and take it away from us on a whim. Makes me wonder what the H(eck) (This is a PG forum), that I am doing.

It is a lot of fun though, even though all you avatars continue to offend me with your adult behavior....want my coordinates

BT