Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

I don't agree. First of all, I'm quite sure that more than 10% of residents in-world at any time have payment info on file, even if that may be the percentage of total accounts that have ever been created. (Is it?)

Secondly, this will create a huge incentive for any stragglers to put payment info on file (or go the brain-damaged Aristotle route), at least for accounts that are actually used for anything. It's not just Mainland, after all, and it's not like Xcite! and Stroker's and all the others will be able to stay "M" after this, so at least every anatomically correct male avatar will have no choice.

I really think the new lands will be far from a ghetto. It is regulated exactly the way M is now, except for that very minimal PIOF barrier--and that barrier may be just what everyone will want, to keep away the fresh-off-the-boat kids when the Teen Grid shuts down.

The problem is that under the current definition of Mature it is pretty hard to distinguish between Mature and Adult. Can anyone give me a concrete activity which is too "Mature" for PG land, but not "Adult" enough to require Adult land.

And the draft KB article that LL have now taken down as a work in process, solve the issue of how to distinguish between Adult and Mature by giving a new definition of Mature which was pretty close to the current definition of PG. Hopefully this was a genuine mistake rather than an insight into the direction LL wants to take!

Matthew

A Linden has already stated that things such as wandering around your Home, or even sexing, in the privacy of your own home is fine. The issue arises when public places are centered around overtly adult things, such as high amounts of violence or sex.

Skin stores that show genitals on their adverts are fine sticking with Mature, whereas a place selling mainly scripting peenies would be Adult, as I understand it. Your Home should be mature if you have sex there, but if it's only used for social gatherings and changing clothes, PG would be fine.

And so on, and so forth.

Of course, I could be wrong about specifics, but I do know the bit about the in your home stuff was said by a Linden in one of these threads. Just wait until they roll out the final draft to know exactly what counts as what.

Yay, it took long enough, for it, but it's the universal answer to anything people don't like happening and the reason all this legal quagmire is needed inthe first place, modern societies parasitic legal actions.

What I find had to comprehend is the number of people against this policy that refer to the new continent as 'Shame Island" or a "Ghetto" so obviously have a problem with this adult/X-rated content now, but are afraid by moving it all together to a new continent it will somehow be harder for them to avoid?
Yep, a lot of tolerance for other users of SL happening here. The main grid will be PG'd eventually like the rest of the internet, it evolves, netter to do so now before it doubles again in size, get used to it and go with the flow or fail.

And if I were to have a lot of violent or sex related items around my private home? Would the distinction just be whether the location was displayed in search or not?

Matthew

Yeah, this mystifies me, too. The new Adult area is designed to be exactly the same as Mature areas are now. Only the Mature areas are changing.

There may be an assumption here that just the hardcore stuff will move to Adult because it's the only stuff that *must* move to Adult. I think that assumption is dead wrong.

Jp - Why the change? maybe I am stupid but I don't get it. You already have a geographically separate GRID for anyone of age to access 'adult' content, or not, as they choose. Don't merge the grids, then you don't have to worry. If an 'adult' is offended by what they see on the mature sections of the main grid, they can quite easily stick to PG rated parts of it.

We already have this sort of system on dvd's, games, cinemas etc in real life. No one has yet come up with the amazing idea irl to put all the 18+ related content in one geographical location, or said to merchants of such material that they must relocate to a specific area. Why? Because it is not necessary to do so, people are respected as intelligent beings to make informed choices about what they do and if someone walks about a mature region and stumbles across, heavens forbid, something naughty...well, what did they expect? If I walk into Toys R Us and looking for a barbie doll for my kid, and stumble across some blow up sex doll then I would be correct to have concerns, and if that happened in some PG rated section of the grid I could report the content. All the systems are in place to maintain standards and allow reporting already. This smacks of a hidden agenda here, who's is it, and care to come clean about what it is?

A class action law suit is required if people are sold something under some definite set of conditions and constraints and then have a different set suddenly announced that means that they cannot enjoy what they have paid for under the agreed conditions.

You may get used to whatever you like — you've clearly accomodated yourself to that great gulf between your ears.

I'll be very glad to see Linden Labs dragged through court on this one.

Until your busybody neighbor or random griefer cams through your walls and files a complaint. Or someone decides the sculpture you are working on, or painting you are exhibiting in your gallery is "overtly sexual". It will be fun to watch from the sidelines.

Or say, just as a hypothetical stretch several friend, couples decide to engage in a little "swinging" in a private residence. What seperates that from a Free Sex Club? Does LL have the wherewithall to make these distinctions and stand by them?

Maybe people think this because that's what Blondin and Jeska have said, over and over again?

Outside businesses and educational facilities aren't going to set up on the mainland, in general. As soon as there were private islands, that's where they've gone. Those businesses which did have mainland moved to private islands where they could have a sim named "Sun Microsystems" or "Nissan Maxima" or "AOL" or "Dell".

I think you are right. The new Adult classification makes M classification close to irrelevant. The problem with that of course is most mainland is M.

The boundaries between classifications are so difficult to define (especially when we are supposed to police ourselves) that it seems folly to add another boundary with a third classification. If I was designing this world now I would have super G squeaky clean land where nothing close to offensive could go on and extra A anything goes land. We might end up with that, but by a slow and destructive route.

Blondin Linden explicitly stated otherwise.

Walking around on a "nude beach" wearing an anatomically correct naked avatar:

Round Em Up Get Em On The Cattle Trucks and ship these perverts to their sodom and gomorra at last the righteous shall stand free on the sacred ground of purity within SL.... PS Anyone have a landmark for the new continent?

Oh and of course the land sharks can charge top dollar for anywhere in the xxx continent....

Just like in amsterdam in real life.... this game is getting so much more realistic

All i can say is I love Linden Labs, their consistency is astounding and the development of their irrational policies is so consistent as to be the only true stability we have....

Now in this credit crisis time in the real world get ready for another revenue generating scam ...... er policy..... milage tax each resident must stay within his her own parcel or pay per step taken..... sweepstake anyone...? oooops detract that its gambling, sh** oops put me in a mature forum....hehe

Okay, is there any way we can get a recap as to what was actually answered?

Well exactly... that's the problem. Nudity is OK in the context of a beach but not in the context of say a park, and that's an easy example to grasp. Hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world are expected to understand and abide by these subtleties. It just all seems unlikely to be roaring success.

A Linden also stated that Openspaces could be used for rentals but look where that ended up. If the knowledgebase article isn't well written what a Linden says in a forum post is meaningless. The original document contradicted very badly with what was being said in the forum and the fact that they're going back to the drawing board is good but I think we'll see inconsistency in how the policy is applied.



Those who are offended are not going to be happy with their neighbours having noisy sex in their private home. Maybe a Linden will go around with a shagometer or you'll need to apply for a special licence if you're at it too many times a week. Someone opposed to adult content is going to be opposed to a skin store with naked genatalia. In RL lingerie stores sell sex toys, but they don't have pictures of topless models in their store. I'll be surprised if skin stores survive this long term because the imagery is graphically adult.

This is totally unacceptable. I don't know why I even spend money in SL. I may just ditch everything and tell SL to take a hike! If I want Disney Land I'll go there.

Yes, thanks to Opps shouldnt name names... but thanks to another forum poster ...

Well at least I can converse without needing to resort to personal insults...................

Did SL always have PG vs. Mature Mainland sims? I'm curious because we already have a separation model although not so drastic as the one LL is ushering in.

I don't have a problem with adding a third classification and trying to nail down better definitions between Mature and Adult. And I don't have a problem with Payment info on File/verification.

Upsides of adding an Adult continent: It can further LL's goal of making Mainland more attractive to the general parcel buying public; it can boost interest in an Adult area and may even attract a business that is rated Mature. I suspect the traffic will be through the roof and I plan on visiting.

Downsides: With the sim agent limits, busy shops/clubs that share a sim can suffer; loss of land, loss of time and income in setting up again and possibly lindens if inventory if lost. A straight land swap isn't enough. I don't have a vested interest in this, but I support bonus compensation for landowners who will have to move.

Are the Lindens still posting in these threads? I hope so because, having read many of their replies, the KB article, and the blog update, I have a question...

I have a furniture store with about 1000 products for sale, of which about 50 have sex animations in them. The store is promoted for low prim furniture rather than sex furniture, although I do have phrases like "sex beds" and "sex rugs" in the parcels' descriptions (which I have no problem in removing). As I understand it, it won't be necessary for me to move the store but there is one nagging doubt in my mind.

The sex furniture is useable by potential customers, to find out if it's what they want or not, and I can't display the stuff without it being useable. Nobody uses it for 'pleasure' in the store, but the animations can be tried out, and occasionally are. Would that fact require me to move the store, or part of it?

As it is now, I have avatar models in discreet booths for the purpose of seeing or trying the animations, so it's rare that anyone uses the stuff that's displayed for sale, but they can do. The models would probably need to go, but that's not a problem for me.

Blondin sort of answered this, draw your own conclusion:

"Unless people are having sex in the store, I don't see why you would be forced to move. If the store is not based around or advertising on a clearly sexual theme, then you should be fine where you are."

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