Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

sure thing Of course, I know that's not all people want to know but it's a start. Not that I'm saying I support this new policy. I don't. Someone did point out in a cynical fashion earlier that LL might be afraid that all the griefers would naturally gravitate to a clean, sparkly PG-land thus ruining the Disneylike experience sought after if a PG only continent were created. This is the only real argument I can see for doing an Adult continent and not PG. Sad to say, I agree with him. Wish I could cite the source but it was about 30 to 40 pages back probably, lol. Maybe LL should advance this argument since it's realistic. However, making people move is pretty inconsiderate as well even if they're being compensated. It still comes down to LL taking on the role of "morality police".

If there's a real world parallel, I'd have to say they're (LL) basically enforcing "eminent domain" on these properties such as where governments seize lands for roads and other public works projects. Proceeding from that basis we might work out similar solutions to those in that situation. Unfortunately, it's usually the owners that get the dirty end of the stick in those transactions in RL.

A suggestion. Create Third Life. "The world of cool business and cutting edge education." Leave all the rest of us in our "second" world.

I think people just better get used to the fact that they don't view us as actual customers anymore. Not really...

I'd recommend that LL examine the case study comparison of Friendster vs. MySpace. Friendster started off as Web 2.0 anything goes social portal site. Then, restriction after restriction began to set in on Friendster. MySpace truly let anyone do whatever they wanted to their page (godawful designs and buggy music and videos). However, that's what people wanted. Later Facebook took market share from Myspace eventually ironically due to it's exclusivity (which is a thing of the past now). People placed a greater premium on that exclusivity (and shelter from annoying design perhaps) which helped Facebook grab more marketshare. However, in each instance of success, people made choices based on benefits not mandated policies.

Give people positive incentives to comply or change and the business might thrive. Mandate change and watch people flee if a viable alternative arises.

Funny.

Everytime someone posts a survey about SL that focuses on sex, or everytime some TV show features SL and focuses on sex, the forum goes wild in an uproar about how biased that is. "SL is much more than that!" Right.

And now we got 6 threads with 200 posts, some of them by 3 years old accounts that never had posted before, who come out in screaming panic because the sky is falling. Someone tries to take away the porn and hookers? "SL is dead!" "I am leaving SL!" "I am leaving to another grid!"

/me chuckles.

That's because SL is far more than that, but having a triple xxx continent doesn't do that image any favours. We've all been happily roaming around, just where are these objections to adult content coming from? The users will point to numerous examples of non adult content but don't see the big issue with it that causes LL to come out with this absurd and half baked policy.

Funny how they can repo and shift 3-5% of businesses based on content but they can't or won't do it to micro-plot extortionists on mainland and there's only 18 of them apparently.

I really think this is going to disrupt a lot of people wha have wrked hard on their estates and will cost secondlife alot nad what is considered acult activity are all the clubs goingto be required to move?? Im Not against intergrating teen sl into the maing rid but I want to know whats to stop these kids form finding away aorund the barriers and acessing adult mainland too? I mean how many of them already know how to get around the web blockers as is and view adutl content on the net? so why move everyone that wishes to allow mature content to a seperate land?

Sorry, guys! It just had to be said:
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/3275.html
(Probably NSFW unless you have headphones)

It's not about losing the porn and hookers. It is about freedom of expression, and a covenant with LL.

I have read what LL is plan on wanting to do and I see this is trying to control freedom of what we want. You have a lot of islands that are mature content but none of them really have adult material are you going to have those be flag for adult material. I think this is all dumb idea though. It is best to look at those islands that have very mature adult material that is very sexual in a way to be flag and to let those make the choice to check them out but to do it all to the adult Islands is kind of stupid in my mind. There should be freedom for us all to chose what we want to see or not to see that is my opinion there.

I'm sorry I missed the first 64 pages of this carnival. After dipping into it here and there, I'm not sure anyone has asked this question:

LL says this content segregation is being done to save the non-sex-and-violence crowd from being exposed to raunchy content and conduct. I'm wondering if the real effect of this will be the opposite - will LL be creating a "safe zone" where real, professional sex-and-violence purveyors are freed to practice their trade in a more unfettered way than has been possible to date?

If so, SL will probably experience an influx of users. Though not the facebook crowd that LL is probably aiming for.

*scratches head*
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Because they are extortionists they don't deserve to be relocated. and anywhere they get relocated is going to upset domeone. Whereas Adult businesses relocated to an adult continent are likely to get an increase in business.

I'm gonna just stand right here next to you Rosie. This is the only discussion I care about. I know I will be one of that 2-4% that WILL have to relocate.

I have spent all day reading through this thread and will continue to follow it through until we get the answers we need. I've seen none yet...

Linden some of us already know we will be moving. Please just shoot stright with us about what your plans are so we can decide what we want to do and prepare for the transition if we want to and can afford to stay.

Thanks~

How could we when most SL residents can't access the new continent, nor private estates flagged as adult?

Many residents, especially in SL's GLBTG and BDSM scene, want to stay anonymous. Others are concerned about hackers and identity theft and will therefore not give away any vital personal data. If they can no longer access our land, we'll only see a decrease in business.

Another day, another repeat of my question...

where is the sign up sheet for those of us who will need adult land?

Most unverified residents online are bots, so they don't buy your stuff anyway.
Umm the people most likely to put money into your business are those that are payment info on file. Unverified accounts may be content creators, but they aren't the big spenders in SL.
And believe it or not, a majority those that aren't verified will do so whether they like it or not to access the continent. Businesses who don't want to relocate to the new continent can always look for a private island. Some of them may allow adult stuff on non adult land.
This world will continue to evolve and there will be dinosaurs.................

The adult continent will only be accessible to Verifieds. Visitor numbers will therefore be much lower at the new adult continent. Adult income will decrease, not increase, so that many adult places that go through the upheaval of moving, will wind up going out of business a few months later anyway.

SL has had the "verify" system in place for a while now. I know a number of people who tried to verify but the system failed them. I also know other people who live in oppressive countries and it would be too risky for them to transmit their identifying information via the internet. So they can't verify. It seems to me that SL's revealing a classist/racist attitude of "we know it's hard for foreigners to verify, but we don't care, because most U.S.A. users are able to."



I don't know what kind of businesses you run in SL, but I don't think you are speaking to your customers. When I have conversations with my visitors I ask them for their thoughts about verification. So I know for a fact that most of my traffic and income is from Unverifieds.

Why EVERYONE isn't age verified upon joining SL is beyond me. Back 3 years ago when I made my first account, we had to verify ourselves with either a credit card or cell phone. Why they stopped doing that is beyond me. People SHOULD have to prove they are in fact adults before coming into a virtual world made for 18+ years and up.

So why not just go back to verifying everyone- be through the 3rd party age verification, credit card, or some other way? Then there would be no reason to relocate anyone or send the kinky spots to their own little ghetto continent.

And sorry but if someone can't verify their age- they don't belong here anyway. But don't make all the SL residents change and/or move just because of fear of kids slipping in. Close up the gaps, age verify everyone, then you won't have to worry.

Heh- after much consideration, I think there is zero chance of LL being able to pull this off.

How many people would move to this "adult" continent? I probably would move my plot there, even though I'm absolutely not into sex stuff. It's about having the _option_ for freedom open, whether or not one wishes to use it. I think that a third of mainland users opting to switch would be a good conservative estimate. Imagine dealing with all of those customers, and all of their plots, and one can see that this will be a disaster. LL can't even properly add simple roads to the existing mainland; the highly touted LDPW project failed to even road up the existing continents. There's abrupt dead-ends where routes were not completed, intersections that don't exist, and lack of roads in sim areas years old. To think that they will be able to do a project on a project so many magnitudes greater fails the laugh test.

Once LL gets its head out of its rear, it will realize this. There is only one option; the establishment of a new non-adult continent, rather than trying to socially engineer existing land. As the market for this continent would be much smaller than the market for the adult continent, it is feasible. In addition, they can start off small and let it grow based on market demand, as it would be a new product, and not a massive restructuring of an existing one. This continent will inevitably be called Puritannia.

Cataloguing and organising content which meets specific criteria to allow it to be relocated to a specific location, is only a short step from allowing "regulators" to entirely excise it without the rest of the world noticing.

A very similar thing happened in the real world in the 1930s and 1940s.

"First they came…"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

It happened then because no-one spoke up. It was always someone else who was affected.

In SL first it was the "Age Play", then it was "Gamers of Chance", then it was "Bankers & Lenders", and now "Adults" are on the line for the gas chamber... when will your passion become unacceptable too?

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When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I was not a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

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Well, other than peoples alts, partners, I only have 1 tennant out 16 who is No payment ifo on file. And other than the one all the previous unverifieds I've had only rent a store for one or 2 months then leave.
The few items I sell on my vendors are all G rated so verification isn't going to effect their sales.
And guess what will happen to sales if all these NPIOF's who only spending their scroungings from camping actually link to their Credit Cards?

When I first arrived in SL I was shocked and dismayed by the discovery of BDSM, the obvious Sexual nature of a lot of the content and most defiantly by the concept of slavery, I am African, to me it was a nightmare. But I explored, I met people, I listened. I found a diversity of cultures, of beliefs of sexual tolerance. A world where we were separated only by Time, not by Borders, Colour, Creed or Sexual Preference. I stayed and I loved it.

In the real world I grew up in a country with forced removals where different groups were allocated separate land, pass laws to verify your status, of censorship in media and in speech. we had a name for it:

'Apartheid — meaning separateness in Dutch (which is cognate to the English apart and -hood) — was a system of legal segregation enforced by the government in South Africa between 1948 and 1994. The vestiges of apartheid still shape South African politics and society.'

I now have to live with the aftermath of Apartheid and it is not nice, our society is so fragmented, groups are still suspicious of each other, cultures keep to themselves. Everything is the opposite of what drew me so deeply into SL.

If LL are hell bent on enforcing "the crime of apartheid" onto the virtual world of SL, then they are bound to repeat history and as a social experiment Second Life has failed.

These proposals will not affect me in any way, they may effect some of my friends, but they will effect a lot of people initially and all of us in the end.

I lived with and fought against Apartheid all my life, do I now have to repeat that in my Virtual world?

oh ive been soooo waiting for somebody to post this!
the last person that i witnessed do this was drawn and quartered

apartheid is a crime now? look at palestine!

Yep the seperation of races by dictatorship's really have a lot to do with sperating Residential from Commercial land.
Yeah, blame Apartheid for counils and government building houses, factories and shops all in separateness. So we miss the priviledge of having office buildings, chemical plants, brothels, and prisons for neighbours mixed in with suburbia.
Blame Apartheid fpr keeping minors and people without money from RL Stripclubs and Bondage hangouts............

Bullcrap, if they really came for you, you wouldn't be here anymore

They haven't come for you yet either I see, but then again I don't need to worry. I won't be speaking out for you because I will have been rounded up before you. =P