Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Geographical Separation of Adult Content

We’ve carefully researched the anticipated impact the geographically separate Adult “mainland” will have, and our goal is to provide Adult goods or service providers the means to continue their activities without long-term disruption or loss of business. In the coming months, we will announce the plan to help the affected Residents and Merchants get set up on the new mainland. While this move will only be required of mainland Residents who wish to continue to provide Adult content or engage in Adult activity, estate owners with Adult content on their land will also be required to flag their estate appropriately. Estate owners or tenants will not be required to move to the new Adult mainland, though certain estate tenants wishing to reside on a parcel of a maturity setting appropriate to their desired activity may need to move to an appropriately flagged private estate.

What is important for us to consider in this regard from a Resident perspective?


From what i have gathered reading Linden Informational posts, and some (not all) replies, they are attempting to isolate PUBLIC sexual (actual active concensual sexual acts) like sex beaches and such from being "accidently" seen by someone that is TPing from shop to shop and or out casually exploring. They are also, it seems, concerned with "coorporate" entities not wanting to spend money on SL Land because they "might" find people (lets be blunt) fucking in their office building.

Another option I have had an ephinany on during my light nap - Make a coorporate / G Sim instead of an adult sim.

Benefits to this...MUCH MUCH MUCH less lag created on what would be a new mainland than what would happen on a new adult scripts enabled mainland ( which wont work, btw...no one would be there due to the lag leading to a MAJOR loss of monies not to the vendors, but to you at linden labs as the far reaching implications will be someone else starting a new game that allows and is dedicated to adult play actions - not a great business strategy in the long run but hey, this IS your business ( and yes, if that happens, i will be taking my sim and going there where i dont have to acquiesce to the moral majority and their overt attempts at forcing me into their ranks with legal threatening and inablility to police their children because they are more interested in controlling my johnson)
I understand you penchant for making this a "friendlier" and "safer" environment - which sounds to me like one of your lawyers is a prudish force my values on the world and anyone who is a nudist is a perverted sex offender thinker - but this move anything even remotely sexually pornographic in nature mentality to a special area will, in the long run, make SL a "dead" planet, as people will leave in droves when ( not if...when, cause someone will make a new game similiar to this one if they havent already and i just havent heard of it) leading to your eventual collapse, which could be traced back to this single event of telling adults that we, as a group, are not intelligent enuff to act like adults and allowing those few who have chosen to not learn tolerence and where the tp button is to take control. My main thought is...did they walk to the ffending: sites? Or...did they TP in and forgot how to TP out?

Another option....simply police your rules and lands. But, considering you will not ( please note...not can not but will not) police griefers, bots and bot makers, spammers, ad farms, gambling casinos, people assaulting others randomly, stalkers, harassment in IMs and or chat, and i am sure i mised a few others...why should we expect you to enforce any other rules and or TOS additions you make? I was a security agnet at one time for multiple sims...and the ONE time i asked a Linden for help, and actually got it, I was treated as a inconvenience and an irritant...where i thought i WAS the reason for th support and not a cause of it. Seems your support people have forgotten the basic concept of the customer is the reason we are getting paid, not the cause of the problem. WHile i will not agree the customer is always right, I will say the customer should have the higher priority than building some linden tower or another realistic plant. BTW ... everything i stated above, I have had to deal with personally without linden help because when asked to help, they were ALL ignored - totally - with the exception of the one event stated where i was accused of harassing the linden by asking for help.

I almost hope someone DOES make a new game based off this one where adults are expected to be adults, and children are not welcome. If i want my kids here with me, I wouldnt BE here...i would find another venue to share with them, or heaven forbid...if i had children and wanted to spend time with them, get off my lazy ass and take them to a park where we COULD play games safely without them seeing a couple screwing in a tree.

Someone let me know when the attempt to tell me that the religious zealots and their attempt to control us is over, so i can get back to having a free and simple life without thought control being a part of it.

IIf you really think it through, this is part of the "clean up" plan. To get customers to a "non adult" store, one has to clean up the *whole* island. This will result is many many clean PG shopping sims that fit SLs new image perfectly...

I've just gone through all the orange (Linden) posts in that thread and I haven't seen any that mention the cost of moving to the new continent. I'd assumed that LL will sell the land to movers, and all movers will be out of pocket, while LL will be very much in pocket, but you seem to say that the move will be free - presumably a land swap. Where have you seen that, Qie.

I think you are right. The new Adult classification makes M classification close to irrelevant. The problem with that of course is most mainland is M.

From what I'm reading, it does seem like the new continent is only for the most extreme sexually-oriented or violent businesses or activities. I'm fine with that. Frankly, "extreme" in SL is pretty damn extreme, and generally, no, people don't want to move into an area with your supersexrapevorewhatever club smack in the middle of their sim, sorry.

I have a hard time believing that the majority of SL users want to be able to find hard core sex play wherever they go, and the people that want content that doesn't involve that should be restricted. Blondin said sex beds in your own house are fine - just like you can have sex in your own house but if you're gonna dance naked on tables down at the bar and advertise it, you better have a permit from the city.


A word about all these ghetto/Australia comments - man, have some perspective. Australia was a far-away continent that took weeks to reach - this new continent in SL is going to be exactly 1 teleport away, just like everything else is. Sorry random people aren't going to be able to stumble across your sex club anymore, but maybe they'll end up sticking around Second Life in general for longer if they don't. Ghetto? Please - sex in SL is a sizeable portion of the economy, I have a feeling these regions will be plenty well occupied.

Take a deep breath everyone and resist the knee jerk reactions.

I think Cory put this very well, and it is about time and long overdue that LL started doing some zoning. Much of the mainland is a jumble of garbage with some nice spots here and there. It is in LL's own best interest to clean up the mainland just as it is in your own land value's interest not to be stuck next to builds/themes that detract.

People purchase mainland knowing the rules of that land, to many that's the appeal, moving the goalposts is always going to make people unhappy.

I cant find the post lol but:

Originally Posted by Blondin Linden
The people who will be made to move won't have to pay.

HTH

You'll notice that is a very vague statement however. It could mean any number of things. It could mean they all get a straight m3 for m3 land swap, it could mean they won't get charged any extra fees for moving but will still have to buy new land... who knows. Until we get a detailed answer on what it means, I'd be wary of making any assumptions.

No



I don't know if that is possible but we want to make the moving process as painless as possible.



The idea is to make it be as fair as possible.



Those that are forced to move won't be expected to pay for it.

This. Right there. That should be a very clear sign to LL and all casual observers that most of SL's residents do not *want* a clean, sanitized world. I have a feeling that, if this proposal happens, 75-90% of the grid will move to "Pornopolis", either voluntarily or by force. In the end, the only thing this proposal will actually accomplish is to essentially turn the grid into a ginormous, densely-populated red-light district. LL can brag all it wants about how 90% of the grid is clean, safe, and sanitary; but there won't be any content there because 90% of the grid's *residents* will not be living there! Why not just paint a big bullseye on the grid so that the media can simply teleport to one place and proclaim to the world that "Second Life is all about porn"?

I've just gone through all the orange (Linden) posts in that thread and I haven't seen any that mention the cost of moving to the new continent. I'd assumed that LL will sell the land to movers, and all movers will be out of pocket, while LL will be very much in pocket, but you seem to say that the move will be free - presumably a land swap. Where have you seen that, Qie.

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Originally Posted by Mliss Ristow
Are we going to go into the weekend with no word on wheather we will have to re-buy land and carry double tier for the old until we re-sell it?


The people who will be made to move won't have to pay.

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Is there going to be an even trade for an EXACT same land mass as one currently has?


That would be ideal.

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Originally Posted by Mliss Ristow
Are old landmarks in the database going to be changed to reflect ones new location?


That would be a lot of LM to change. I am not very technical, so I do not know if this is possible.

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Originally Posted by Mliss Ristow
If you have an entire mainland sim (I do) can it be moved and keep it's same sim name?


Like I said above, I'm not very technical so I don't know if moving the entire sim would be possible.

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Is there any possibility if one has an entire mainland sim of getting it changed to an island with no additional up front cost although moving to island tier level?


Flagging content and moving wouldn't result in any increased fees. Would you really be interested in transferring to a private island?

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Originally Posted by Mliss Ristow
If landmarks can not be redirected/relabeled in the database will we have an option of holding the old land for a month or two with a LM giver/redirect signage there with no additional tier?


That's a good idea and a definite possibility.

Hmm... That made me think in a REALLY twisted way...

Whatif this would be the GOAL for LL?

A safe, sane, clean mainland, also LAG free that gives a "good" look and feel to "business" and those with $$$ in their eyes to come over and fall into the trap?

Or am I now too sarcastic ?

thanks for your response Blondin. I think that's pretty much all most people wanted to know.

The people who will be made to move won't have to pay.


Flagging content and moving wouldn't result in any increased fees. Would you really be interested in transferring to a private island?

Not everything is about money, it's about quality of life and things like that. There are tons more important issues and causes in the world than cybersex. I don't understand why people are so upset that they can't use technology to have sex when they could just go do it in Real Life. This technology is expensive and it took many years to develop. I think it should be used for a higher purpose, to educate, inform and enlighten human beings. The sex industry in SL is just as bad and demeaning as it is in RL. Except sometimes even more violent. The Buddha said that everything comes from the mind alone. Do you really want things like this in your mind. Don't you want to do something more productive with your mental energy and technical resources? I do. I don't care if people call it a "ghetto" that they are forced to move to. I am trying to help people and educate them, and it just looks silly to have a Strip club right next door to my campus. We pay full price for the sim, we don't get an educational discount right now, and it's been that way all year since I took over. So excuse me, but I spend just as much money as you.

Or say, just as a hypothetical stretch several friend, couples decide to engage in a little "swinging" in a private residence. What seperates that from a Free Sex Club? Does LL have the wherewithall to make these distinctions and stand by them?