Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

Needless to say, your sim should be called Argentina.

NPOF or PIOF should have been sufficient. It shouldn't have mattered if you had used the info to make an actual payment to Linden Lab.

At the time, it was believed by a lot of people that being able to determine if someone HAD given some sort of verifiable identifying information to LL, in the form of payment info, versus determining that someone had NEVER given LL any sort of verifiable information, might be a way to weed out griefer alts. If you could ban "No Payment info on file" accounts from your parcel or sim, and if you could Decline to add someone to a group (manually) because you saw they had no payment info, it *might* cut back on griefers on your land or in your group. After all, if someone abused the account by griefing with it, LL would have presumably valid info to go after them, instead of an anonymous account that entered "BOGUS" in every text field and random numbrs in every numeric field. And a griefer who was coming back again and again with 5 minute old alts was very unlikely to be entering their real name and address and an associated credit card for Linden Lab to track them with.

In practice, most businesses found that a lot of people had NPOF alts that were fed money from their main account, and that NPOF accounts still spent a lot of money in-world. SO it made little sense to prohibit NPOF accounts from entering a business.


And yet when LL introduced the Aristotle age verification check, they REFUSED to have a similar "Verified as over 18" or "Not Age Verified" flag in profiles, or that could be sensed by LSL for security orbs.

One would think that being able to check ID at the door for age verification would be a far more valid need than payment info, if you are worried about keeping kids out of an adult area, or preventing them from joining an adults-only group. Yet the way people went up in arms over proposals that the flag be visible and checkable, you would think they were going to publish your full real name and address and exact birthdate and gender! When all that was asked for was a "Yes, this person who is in an 18 and over adult environment has shown PROOF that they are actually 18 or older", or "We haven't seen their ID yet, We do not know their age". What is wrong with allowing that information in profiles?


An age check that can't be looked at by the bouncer at the door is worthless.

Is this when you guys pull out The Love Machine?

I knew it! You guys are a bunch of Romulans. Now this all makes sense. Enjoy your Rom work.

Moi?? More like evil temptress lol


Well just hold that thought and I'll drop you over a toy to play with while you fight with your conscience about spending some of that ill-gotten dosh on things that may give you impure thoughts.

LOL! Thanks!

I spend so much time naked and shackled now...impure thoughts run rampant.

I strongly support this self evaluations idea. Good luck! There is often so much to discover, when people are exploring their inner grids. May the great Shamalamadingdong bless the staff and all CEO's and may a lightbeam from heaven, made from pure and innocent wiseness bring all-embracing brightness into the illustrious circle and creating never ending love and altruism for your dear customers.

In the name of the prim, the sculptie and the holy notecard-giver-script:

Rezz

pixplz

ahhh, you're back!

/me eyes those shoes again with lustful eyes..

So, fancy a little tipple?

By all means.

I think this is a really important question. I mean, I understand (I think) the mechanics of how this will work: on both Adult and sub-Adult sims, it will be possible to further restrict individual parcels (or whole Estate sims) to allow access only to IDV age-verified accounts.

What I don't understand is *why*. What is the nature of content that should be IDV age-verified on a Mature sim, but the content is not required to be on an Adult region? And what is the nature of content on an Adult region that should be further restricted to IDV age-verified only?

So, can dom-Adults and sub-Adults travel together?

Easy to answer: they made that, - to speak with their own words of wisdom -, to give us more control over our inworld experience and to make us more happy than ever before.

What that means is very explicite to see in the famous film "1984" based on the book from George Orwell and if you have a chance to catch the DVD, you hold than a perfect manual for the upcoming Second Life mental-logistic and social-infrastructure in your hands.

Teens.

Ok. A story.

Yes, I am waxing 2003...

LL keeps repeating over and over again that the Teen grid is not coming.

In 2003, we feared corporations rushing into SL and that they would turn our Virtutopia into nothing but advertisements everywhere and commercial crap imported from RL into SL and sold at stupid prices. LL vehemently said this was not going to happen and that there were no prospects of bringing any RL corps into SL in the near future.

Well..lo and behold the very first sim EVER goes on sale in the auction's it was a bidding frenzy, I bid, my mom bid, my grandma bid, EVERYONE bid.

But guess who won at the very last minute? And I do mean the very last minute... A corporation - and boy did the fur fly in the forums over how it was handled and how this relative NOBODY somehow scored the auction. LL had lied. I know because i ended up dating the CEO of that corporation here in SL. LL lied about corps coming, it was the plan all along. And I am still not telling it all because it would be inappropriate even all these years later.

LL is lying about the Teen grid being merged with the Main grid and anyone who learns from history knows this as LL has lied before in the past, competed against us, and GOMd us and next is Teen Gridding us...

-End of story

Personal naughtiness? Since romping in the privacy of one's home is not cause to shuffle off to Pornsylvania, it is a way to make sure your significant other of the moment is of age?

I can only think of one valid reason for leaving the option of flagging parcels as requiring the Aristotle ID check. If someone in the Adult Content private islands or in Ursula wanted to say that for their content, accepting payment info as "Proof of age" was insufficent, they could further restrict at the parcel level so ONLY aristotle age verified people could go to their venue.

There would be good reason for that, since the credit card companies universally assert that possession of one of their cards is in NO way proof of age, and that Visa, Mastercard, American Express and even Pay Pal should NOT be used as a method of "proving" someone was above a certain age.

On the Mainland Mature sims, and in mature private sims, nothing should remain there that should *require* the "Adult" parcel-level flag. But again, someone may DESIRE to flag their parcel, if they believe the Aristotle check might make it less likely that some romantic encounter in their private residence might accidentally include a lying 12 year old.

Personally, considering that the Aristotle check never has worked reliably, I would never use it at the parcel level.

Can you ask management if they understand how annoyed many, many, MANY residents are about this whole 'adult content' thing? Most don't know about it yet, too..

Er.. I assume most don't know - that'd make a good login-survey question: Do you know that mainland adult content will be moved to a separate place and you will need to age verify to get there?

TY for the note. Self evals are a drag.. I'm always tempted to just say "I bust my ass - pay me more."

Sure 40 seconds for Americans. People outside of America never heard of a SSN and if they are lucky enough to have a driver's license, it will be likely not be English and maybe even a strange alphabet.

Residents from poorer countries have no idea what a SSN is and they will never have a driver's license or credit card. They make a few Lindens by camping, or they may become big contributors to the SL economy. The growing diverse, international flavor of SL is one thing that makes this world so attractive.

I am totally in favor of allowing residents to choose what they want to see on SL. It is simply ridiculous for Linden to assume that all residents are children until they can prove otherwise. This is nothing but raw censorship, and the victims will be non-Americans.

The more realistic the world the easier it is to have emotional ties to it. Even cartoon images are usually more real than raw text.

If that was not the case, btw, there would be no market for SL, we would all still be using text. It is much cheaper. If you really think it makes no difference, then why are so many people so passionate about maintaing what they have here? How are the businesses here able to make any money if text is no different?

Personally, I believe LL has every intention of merging the grids.

No, I haven't, but how is giving no input constructive?

Until SL introduced changes to Adult Oriented Content. =P

Input is great. If you want to sink your teeth into something solid, read my previous posts in this thread. There are only half a dozen, but they will brief you on the scale and scope of the situation. Pay attention to the technical folks like Argent and Ceera. They know their stuff.

I think the answer to that is that they're realised there is a legal difference between age and account verification and are now hoping all the smutmeisters will move and then they will require the extreme to slap the age verification on as the actual filter.

The bonus for them is that the current mainland will be pretty well wiped clean of anything that smacks of adults at play. In this case I actually mean what we currently consider mature. Of course when the grids merge it doesn't stop mum or dad creating an account for their kid and verifying it with their credit card and letting junior run riot in the adult continent but that's still probably a year away.

In they end they get their pg continent and their adult continent and I suspect they're hoping that we'll take the hit and go without a fight. After all, who wants to be left on a mainland where just because you were given the ok to be there previously you're a sitting target for future ARs that may be upheld?

All round it's even more of a win win for them than the original moving of just the extreme.

I just wish that there was a viable alternative to this platform.

The thread is not all noise.. there is indeed some legitimate discussion in the melee, and some good points and questions. LL has not made this any easier either, between very limited feedback, creation of a general feeling of cynicism via mishandling of prior events, and the occasional item of pure bafflegab.

And even though I have been defending these changes as far as concept, there is a lot to criticize in the details.