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Rene Erlanger
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04-08-2009 09:21
From: Argent Stonecutter
That's hardly the only downside.

There will not be anything like the variety of content on Blue Mars, not now and probably not ever, so long as they're acting as a gatekeeper for content creators.

I don't care if they have Roger Dean making a few buildings, unless they have this kind of stuff ... ... they're not competition.


The majority of SL users are not Content providers, they are casual users that use the platform for social interaction and acting out their fantasies.....for these type of users it really doesn't matter who created the buildings or skins or furniture or animations. They will do what they already do on SL ...and simply purchase the product!

As far as being a Content provider, i welcome that a platform is trying to protect content "Our central item registration system and encrypted file system minimizes unauthorized asset duplication and modification.".....i can't tell you the amount of times Content creators here on SL have screamed for better protection and enforcement.

It really comes down to whether BlueMars will allow the same social freedoms once experienced in SL.....if they do, then you can expect a population shift over time.
Brenda Connolly
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04-08-2009 09:21
From: Blondin Linden
It was an internal term we used. I know it stands for something else in world and I'm sorry for the confusion. I'll be more conscious not to use it.


No fair! You've used up one of your eight answers for the day!!!!! *shakes fist*
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Andiez Smythe
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04-08-2009 09:33
From: Lord Sullivan
I sincerely hope so, not that I am from Oz but it will not be a good move generally and with Oz being part of the Commonwealth if it succeeded the UK could be next on the list. Its certainly becoming a nany state :)


No, we in the U.K. don't import things from Australia. It's usually America. Currently it's high fat fast food, obesity and diabetes!
Argent Stonecutter
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04-08-2009 09:36
From: Rene Erlanger
The majority of SL users are not Content providers
This isn't about being "fair" to content providers, this is about simply having a huge variety of amateurs creating content produces a far wider variety of content than any kind of managed pool of creators can.

Letting anyone be a content creator is an important social freedom, as much for the people who are consumers as it is for the creators themselves.
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Deltango Vale
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04-08-2009 09:36
From: Argent Stonecutter
All of which is just as applicable in the text-based virtual worlds that Argent's manifested in since the early '80s, in email and chat and phone and before that in the post. If it doesn't matter if it's a cartoon, then it shouldn't matter if it's text, spoken, or smoke-signalled.
Agrees. If you can't tell the difference between real murder and metaphorical or literary murder then I suggest you turn on your stove and place your hand on the element. Amazing how this little experiment teaches one the difference between real and imagined. Most of us figure it out by the age of three? Four?

Personally - and I suppose in the modern age, this is only my opinion - I see a huge difference between chopping up a real person with a real axe and forcing him to log out of a virtual world by 'shooting' 'him' with a purple 'raygun'. I suppose in another 10 years, I'll be institutionalized for holding such radical, antisocial beliefs.
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Scott Savira
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04-08-2009 09:38
Isn't sticking Blondin on this thread a bit like your local store scheduling a single cashier to work over the Christmas holiday?

I think I'm going to follow a few other suggestions I saw from people and start smutting up my own parcel.
Shockwave Yareach
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04-08-2009 09:53
From: Argent Stonecutter
This isn't about being "fair" to content providers, this is about simply having a huge variety of amateurs creating content produces a far wider variety of content than any kind of managed pool of creators can.

Letting anyone be a content creator is an important social freedom, as much for the people who are consumers as it is for the creators themselves.


Exactly. The only thing Second Life has on There.com is the fact that people can make their own stuff and sell it to those who cannot. Or people can make their own stuff and keep it to themselves for their own use and entertainment. We aren't here for the graphics or the reliability, and we sure as h*ll aren't here for the fabulous customer service. We are here because we can build what we want and do what we want. Couldn't do that in There - guess that's why they are gone. Couldn't do that in Lively, either - hey, they are gone too!

Guess if LL continues on this course of restricting our freedoms, they'll be next on my FAILED-MMO list.
Andiez Smythe
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04-08-2009 09:53
I've read back as I usually do and noted the posts involving sex and also a few posts related to animals and one thing comes to mind: Furries are going to have to be banned. Let's face it, furries are animal ar part animal mostly resembling a dog, wolf or fox. Now if we continue to allow them on SL sooner or later they're going to have sex with each other or with humans and that's a definite no-no. So it's out with the furries then!
Rene Erlanger
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04-08-2009 09:54
From: Argent Stonecutter
This isn't about being "fair" to content providers, this is about simply having a huge variety of amateurs creating content produces a far wider variety of content than any kind of managed pool of creators can.

Letting anyone be a content creator is an important social freedom, as much for the people who are consumers as it is for the creators themselves.


It very easy to apply for a content creation license on BlueMars....and very easily granted. You just need to enter your personal details like SL and state your operating systems and a few other questions.

Not everyone is into creation....and they might find using a superior 3D VW platform more appealing in terms of their own expectations and what they desire in getting out of a 3D VW social networking enviroment.

Life is about making choices.....and soon 3D VW's will be in the same boat!

Let's revisit this topic next year....and we can discuss again! :)

PS As a Content Creator i welcome what BlueMars are trying to do with their content registration system....i'll happily trade some of the freedoms than having a grid awash with stolen content, Business-in-a-box, freebies and franchise resellers.
Blondin Linden
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04-08-2009 10:00
From: Brenda Connolly
No fair! You've used up one of your eight answers for the day!!!!! *shakes fist*


I wont count it :-)
Argent Stonecutter
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04-08-2009 10:03
From: Rene Erlanger
It very easy to apply for a content creation license on BlueMars....and very easily granted. You just need to enter your personal details like SL and state your operating systems and a few other questions.
And then after you fill out the form you you can instantly turn around, right-click on the ground, in the game, and start building?
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Not everyone is into creation....and they might find using a superior 3D VW platform more appealing in terms of their own expectations and what they expect to get out of a 3D VW social networking enviroment.
Did you bother looking at my linked gallery? Guess how much of the stuff in those links is stuff I created. 50%? 20%? 10%? You're getting close. The people who AREN'T creators benefit MASSIVELY from the fact that anyone in the game who gets an inspiration can just turn around and start making it, right then, even if they never thought about being a "creator" before.
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Wynochee LeShelle
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04-08-2009 10:05
From: Scott Savira
Isn't sticking Blondin on this thread a bit like your local store scheduling a single cashier to work over the Christmas holiday?

I think I'm going to follow a few other suggestions I saw from people and start smutting up my own parcel.



I will rez a picture of my original steel-made rl - *red-star* from ex Yugoslavia wich was a gift from a good friend and a Che Guevara Memorial Poster. This makes them more shock and fear and suddenly frozen face-mimic than any sexual content. Ah, and maybe an old USSR Flag. This is enough for these capitalism freaks, to be forced to move over to the holy St. Ursula.

Viva la revolución! Viva El Commandante! Viva!
Andiez Smythe
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04-08-2009 10:06
From: Shockwave Yareach
Exactly. The only thing Second Life has on There.com is the fact that people can make their own stuff and sell it to those who cannot. Or people can make their own stuff and keep it to themselves for their own use and entertainment. We aren't here for the graphics or the reliability, and we sure as h*ll aren't here for the fabulous customer service. We are here because we can build what we want and do what we want. Couldn't do that in There - guess that's why they are gone. Couldn't do that in Lively, either - hey, they are gone too!

Guess if LL continues on this course of restricting our freedoms, they'll be next on my FAILED-MMO list.


The ONLY thing? Read the discussions about those other virtual worlds and you'll discover that it's not content creation that they are reminded that SL has and they don't. What it comes down to is avatars, the way they look, the way they move and what they can do. Secondary but very close to that is what avatars can do with objects like sitting, lounging, laying and, yes, engaging in more athletic pursuits.

Joe to Jill, "Hey we can't do that anymore on SL. Let's go back to *** virtual world. Not much difference anymore".

In taking away freedom of expression SL will simply play into the hands of the competition and will lose players to them!
Argent Stonecutter
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04-08-2009 10:12
From: Andiez Smythe
The ONLY thing? Read the discussions about those other virtual worlds and you'll discover that it's not content creation that they are reminded that SL has and they don't. What it comes down to is avatars, the way they look, the way they move and what they can do.
And the avatars, the way they move, and what they can do, is all down to content creators. Go back to the Linden avatars, Linden hair, Linden animations (duckwalk, anyone?), Linden clothes, and Second Life doesn't look anything near as good as There.
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Shockwave Yareach
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04-08-2009 10:14
From: Andiez Smythe

Joe to Jill, "Hey we can't do that anymore on SL. Let's go back to *** virtual world. Not much difference anymore".

In taking away freedom of expression SL will simply play into the hands of the competition and will lose players to them!


I've said to my friends and group inworld that if the reliability doesn't improve and LL doesn't stop trying to disneyfy the grid, they can find me on a certain MUD again. I started RPG in text as have about half of my friends. And many of us will be delighted to save the hundreds of bucks we pump into LL's coffers.

However, if Blue Mars has zones where combat and sex are permitted, and lets XP systems work, I'll go there and invite my gang. I'm rapidly running out of Whogas (who gives a s***) for Second Life and only my group is worth staying for. The more of those LL drives away, and the less UCC there is, the easier it'll be for me to leave as well, all the way back to text if I have to.
Milla Janick
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04-08-2009 10:19
From: Rene Erlanger
It very easy to apply for a content creation license on BlueMars....and very easily granted. You just need to enter your personal details like SL and state your operating systems and a few other questions.

And if I simply enjoy building thing for my own amusement, they'll grant it?

I don't believe I'd have a problem with the hardware or software requirements, but many SL users would. XP is still by far the most widely used OS, and then there are Mac and Linux users. I don't have numbers, but I'm pretty sure most SL residents don't even have video cards capable of delivering most of the graphics potential SL can deliver.
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Rene Erlanger
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04-08-2009 10:21
From: Argent Stonecutter
And then after you fill out the form you you can instantly turn around, right-click on the ground, in the game, and start building?
Did you bother looking at my linked gallery? Guess how much of the stuff in those links is stuff I created. 50%? 20%? 10%? You're getting close. The people who AREN'T creators benefit MASSIVELY from the fact that anyone in the game who gets an inspiration can just turn around and start making it, right then, even if they never thought about being a "creator" before.


In the same way a lot of the stuff brought into SL via an outside program...think of textures, skins, animations, poses, texturing of fashion items......are these not uploaded into SL and cost 10 L to do so? Nearly all the textures used on prims have been brought into SL. So what's the big deal here?
Brenda Connolly
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04-08-2009 10:23
From: Shockwave Yareach
I've said to my friends and group inworld that if the reliability doesn't improve and LL doesn't stop trying to disneyfy the grid, they can find me on a certain MUD again. I started RPG in text as have about half of my friends. And many of us will be delighted to save the hundreds of bucks we pump into LL's coffers.

However, if Blue Mars has zones where combat and sex are permitted, and lets XP systems work, I'll go there and invite my gang. I'm rapidly running out of Whogas (who gives a s***) for Second Life and only my group is worth staying for. The more of those LL drives away, and the less UCC there is, the easier it'll be for me to leave as well, all the way back to text if I have to.


But isn't Blue Mars a set theme and atmosphere? SL's best quality is you aren't pigeonholed into one environment or play style.
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Milla Janick
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04-08-2009 10:26
Will there be a Stepford in (on?) Blue Mars?
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Argent Stonecutter
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04-08-2009 10:33
From: Rene Erlanger
In the same way a lot of the stuff brought into SL via an outside program...think of textures, skins, animations, poses, texturing of fashion items......are these not uploaded into SL and cost 10 L to do so?
So? Uploading takes effectively zero time, compared to any application process, and a lot of content creators in SL don't upload anything. They use built-in textures (look at all the snowmen and the like using the snow sim ground textures), or freebie textures that they picked up, or they shout out in some group "anyone got X, Y, or Z" and get 30 textures dropped on them. Guess how many textures I uploaded for my jet glider...

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So what's the big deal here?
Instant gratification works.
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Rene Erlanger
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04-08-2009 10:35
From: Shockwave Yareach
I've said to my friends and group inworld that if the reliability doesn't improve and LL doesn't stop trying to disneyfy the grid, they can find me on a certain MUD again. I started RPG in text as have about half of my friends. And many of us will be delighted to save the hundreds of bucks we pump into LL's coffers.

However, if Blue Mars has zones where combat and sex are permitted, and lets XP systems work, I'll go there and invite my gang. I'm rapidly running out of Whogas (who gives a s***) for Second Life and only my group is worth staying for. The more of those LL drives away, and the less UCC there is, the easier it'll be for me to leave as well, all the way back to text if I have to.



That's what we'll have to find out about BlueMars...what social activities are allowed.
Kid Avatars? Furries? Goreans? Vamps ? BDSM? etc etc

Going back to Argent's points....until the Beta is released we can't be sure what the abilities of an Avatar will be. It might be that an Avatar will be able to create things inworld, but not allowed to sell them until they apply for a Content Creation license and the product goes through the registration system. If that's the case.....i'd be fine with that!
Shockwave Yareach
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04-08-2009 10:37
From: Brenda Connolly
But isn't Blue Mars a set theme and atmosphere? SL's best quality is you aren't pigeonholed into one environment or play style.


Dunno. The only theme I see is that it's set on a terraformed Mars. Beyond that is anyone's guess right now. They say outright that they don't want it to be only a SciFi setup, and that's good enough for me right now. If you can create anything you want to create and any theme you like (which seems to be the case) then it's looking good. Domed cities underwater. City inside a dormant (but not quite extinct) volcano. The Furries can be described as a "failed genetic experiment gone rogue". Combat can be described as city states battling over where to draw a border. all it takes is some clever writing to put whatever you want on the planet.

And a point of order - Second Life best quality USED to be that you aren't pigeonholed.
Rene Erlanger
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04-08-2009 10:40
LL's library of textures would again have been developed by an outside program prior to the release of the SL platform (e.g snow terrains), so your point is invalid. So you made a glider and selected blank white texturing for most of it......until BlueMars is released we cannot assume that there won't be something similar in its tools.
Argent Stonecutter
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04-08-2009 10:42
From: Rene Erlanger
Going back to Argent's points....until the Beta is released we can't be sure what the abilities of an Avatar will be. It might be that an Avatar will be able to create things inworld, but not allowed to sell them until they apply for a Content Creation license and the product goes through the registration system. If that's the case.....i'd be fine with that!
I wouldn't. Part of the "instant gratification" I'm talking about involves "hey, I just made something cool, want one?". The tight immediate feedback you get in SL sucks people in to making stuff, and they find themselves setting up a store and selling cool stuff before they know it. That tight feedback between creators and users, friends and customers, is the biggest difference between SL and other 3d worlds. Raw SL looks clunky compared to There, but there's no "there" in There, because there's a gatekeeper breaking the creative feedback loop that makes SL work.
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Rene Erlanger
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04-08-2009 10:45
From: Brenda Connolly
But isn't Blue Mars a set theme and atmosphere? SL's best quality is you aren't pigeonholed into one environment or play style.



Again until the entire rules are firmed up, we're just guessing whether it will be all preset themes......and even that aspect might appeal to many 3D users.

The clue i guess is that they also desire Educators and RL businesses, so its hard to imagine that the whole platform can revolve around preset themes.
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