Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Answers to Questions

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John Walsh has massive coporate and organizational money behind him and his lobby. He did not get all that money through osmosis.

And why the hell would a contract lobbyist know the in's and out of John Walsh? I've never even watched the show.

What the hell does John Walsh have to do with any of this?

Since you have such awesome wikipedia skills, drum up who is giving money to the Adam Walsh fund and then come back here and talk about it.

But maybe since i was a lobbyist for almost a year i should somehow know that?

I may not know crap about John Walsh, But i sure as hell know is writing checks to the governor of my state, and as an ex-lobbyist, who is still connected, that is important - not somehow my random knowledge of John & Adam Walsh.

And you obviously are confused between a contract state lobbyist and a federal lobbyist.

Because it conflicts with their initial plan when IDV was rolled out. They told us Credit Cards were not reliable proof of anything, the CC companies themselves said so. Now they are saying PIOF is valid for verification What has changed? Or has LL hired lawyers that are too stupid to even chase Ambulances?

If safe harbor laws are that strong, why do ISPs shut down sites all the time based on content? If a provider fails to act in support of an order shutting down certain content, don't they lose the protection? In other words, the provider is not liable for the content being there in the first place, but knowingly allowing specific prohibited content to continue to exist likely breaches that protection.

The content does not become 'legal' simply because the provider may not be liable.

And as I read the legislation, as long as proof of age is gathered and records kept, the content in question would be ok. It is not being banned by US legislation, but being age restricted.

Can you provide Youtube links or something? Because I sure haven't seen anything like this.

Or they got new advice, or they are ignoring the advice they are getting (they would not be the first company to do so).

That's hardly the only downside.

There will not be anything like the variety of content on Blue Mars, not now and probably not ever, so long as they're acting as a gatekeeper for content creators.

I don't care if they have Roger Dean making a few buildings, unless they have this kind of stuff ... ... they're not competition.

Blondin: How are some people supposed to move in 9 days if more than one user owns items on the plot? We all know accounts that go months between logins, then there are the accounts people no longer use.

Are you going to post a FAQ about how to override the permission system?

Then that is just the tear-down, the rebuild will be even more complex, especially with different terraforming.

If you are lobbying in this field, shouldn't you have done a bit of homework on major players? If you are not a lobbyist in this field but just a lobbyist generally, then isn't your identifying yourself as a lobbyist just being used to provide false credence to what you post?

As to who is giving money to Adam Walsh, who cares? Prove it is not because of the actual cause, and/or for the publicity of contributing to a publicly popular cause?

The show is very popular, and its intent, using the public's eyes and ears to help capture known fugitives and/or suspects has a well documented history of success. Given what happened to his son, and the nature and intent of the show itself, it is hard to argue that the show or John Walsh have any alterior motive. They may be overprotective or may not be, but it is hard to argue any dishonesty.

It is also likely that some have found ways to profit from John's efforts. That does not invalidate his efforts either, nor his personal opinions any more than your being a lobbyist validates or invalidates your opinions.

The only time I've seen any discussion on it has been when I pointed a few people to the blog when it was announced, plus a couple of notecards dropped on groups. I haven't been "spammed by notecards" as someone earlier in this thread mentioned, despite all the groups Argent David, Argent Pinion and I are in.

The issue you point to is not response to legal prosecution. It is Violation of Terms of Service, which is a fine hair to split, I will agree. They can say that the TOS says "no unicorns" and pull sites for having a unicorn picture - perfectly okay. But it doesn't constitute controlling content since the content still gets put on the server and displayed.

No, the content could still be illegal. But it could easily be illegal in the UK and legal here in the US. If the UK wants to come and get me, even though I'm not subject to their laws and have never set foot there, then they are welcome to try. Likewise the ATTY generals for most of the states. The only laws I must obey are the ones that cover my country, state, county and town. The rest of the universe can whine all they like; I won't care. I'm sure the entirety of SL is illegal in Saudi Arabia, but I don't see LL requiring all female avatars to wear veils yet.

I have no issue with age verification if it works. Nothing I have seen will work. Not credit cards. Not drivers licenses. Come on, name a single thing I can enter into a computer that little Timmy cannot snag from his parents or grandparents? Since it can't possibly work and this effort will eliminate their protections (Look, they can get rid of the smut after all! Where's my lawyer?) and cause unbelievable economic loss as customers quit (they already are), what's the friggin point? LL is for some untold reason trying to be all things to all people. And the only thing they will be is hungry, because it is impossible to please all of the people, all of the time. And by trying, they are only angering the people who pay the bills, the very last group they want to pi** off.

Yep, I agree with this...the whole problem with SL stemmed from the ability to make Free Accounts dating back to 2005/6. I however don't like this Aristotle system....I'm not sure if there is alternative & effective Adult verifer system out there.

SSL, as you say, works because the server and the browser are cooperating, that the person who installed the browser and the server both want to maintain security.

That is not the case here. This situation is like DRM, and has been repeatedly demonstrated DRM is not much more than "honor system".
I'm not talking about whether you'll be able to get into adult areas, I'm talking about the claim that this would be a mandatory upgrade because the only reason that would be the case would be if the new viewer would be required to keep people out of adult regions.

And people like Ceera who have many role-playing alts should be able to do so. The "five account" limit needs to be shelved.

I thought they were backpedaling away from that as fast as their little feet could take them.

Read the links, unless you're flying over 3000 meters you wouldn't be effected by these proposals.

I sincerely hope so, not that I am from Oz but it will not be a good move generally and with Oz being part of the Commonwealth if it succeeded the UK could be next on the list. Its certainly becoming a nany state

The adult flag, yes, but the adult flag is kind of a blend of PI and AV. I thought these flags themselves were at the parcel level.

For people with residential skyboxes on the mainland that will not be moving to Ursula being able to block this access at a "skybox level" (as in the JIRA I pointed to) is still needed.

It was an internal term we used. I know it stands for something else in world and I'm sorry for the confusion. I'll be more conscious not to use it.

All of which is just as applicable in the text-based virtual worlds that Argent's manifested in since the early '80s, in email and chat and phone and before that in the post.

If it doesn't matter if it's a cartoon, then it shouldn't matter if it's text, spoken, or smoke-signalled.

This is being so haphazardly thrown together there is no doubt in my mind this will be a fiasco if and when it's added to SL. Linden Labs, you efforts are needed much more elsewhere than protecting our minds from what we wish to see.

If someone isn't adult enough to handle adult content then they need to not be online at all! Not just SL, the entire internet! How easy is it to go to GOOGLE, type in anything, and come up with an occasoinal adult website or banner in the linked pages?

It is impossible to block all adult content.
Impossible, impossible, impossible.

Why is it impossible? Because there will always be anarchists, griefers, and people who just don't want to conform to your system. People who ENJOY their freedom to do what they want, when they want, without some idiot telling them they can't. I don't think this system will fail because of this chaos factor, I know it will.

How wonderful will it be if SL actually manages to find a way to scrub every bit of nudity they find offensive, every bit of clothing which might be too revealing, every avatar that is too beautiful from their lands? How entertaining will that be, a land devoid of sexual appeal, where 3d modelers can practice making endless pictures of houses and buildings so long as they're not too provocative.

In that question above, you probably just said 'Val you're exaggerating, they won't axe you for being too beautiful." Yes, but I don't find ANY form of nudity offensive! Think about it, and if you don't get it, if you think I just like prancing about naked, then you really are too immature to be making decisions about who and what I am allowed to see.

I have built in censors already, they're called EYELIDS.

Here's an idea, why not fix the buggy ever failing teleport system? Instead of making it now tell you you have to relog when it doesn't work, make it work! How about fixing the layers in clothing or adding a few more? Expanding upon the detail allowed in creating primatives or sculpties? There are so many things LL could work on, so many things that would make SL an enticing place to work and play. Why not find a way to protect copyrights for people who create all your content instead of having it incredibly easy to steal whatever you want?

There are many many far more important matters for LL to be concerned with if they really wanted to bring businesses and new content into SL. I see this censorship for what it really is, a cheap alternative to real innovation, except what LL doesn't understand is it will drive away many of their residents.

When it ceased to be a synonym for libertarian. In Australia the conservative party is the Liberal party.

Of course, conservative is just as screwed up, it used to be closely allied to conservation.

As far as I'm concerned, anyone who uses labels like these as if they mean anything is probably trying to avoid actually thinking.

I'm sure they're consulting those attorneys on the plan, but the primary motivation appears to be profit, not legal CYA.

what the hell are you going on about?

Do you just think you are always right or is it you just like to read your print on screen?

I never ever said i was in any field that has to do with John Walsh.

I know about clean cold, gambling online, tobacco lobby in illinois, unions, and other legislation ALL PERTAINING TO THE STATE OF ILLINOIS.

How the hell does someone saying "I did lobbying for almost a year" equate to knowing the in's and out's of John/Adam Walsh and the legislation they pushed through?

Get over yourself.

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