Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

If the objective is to "clean up" the mainland, then the only way you can TRULY do it is to remove ALL things on the mainland that can offend teens, corporations, religious figures and busybodies. You would have to bulldoze everyone's parcels. You and I both know that if you do that, the people that pay you today will never come back. And it's doubtful at best if the corporate world, the teens, and the educational folks have the cash or the interest to pick up the slack when we are gone.

Furthermore, my oldest wants to play now, and I'm considering her request if there's a Teen grid for her to enter. But if you combine the grids, then I would be out of my mind to allow her to join. Even if she doesn't see anything naughty, what's to stop some pervert from trying to find her ASL while she's visiting an art gallery? Mixing teens and adults -- I honestly think you guys haven't thought it through. And if you think you've a PR problem today, just wait until Chris Hanson mentions you in "To Catch a Predator".

If you make a G rated continent, you can pull the teens in. You can pull the businesses in. You can pull the newcomers in (until they age verify and may leave). You'll eliminate the griefing problem in the main grid. You'll bring the educators in. You'll have happy customers (and we ARE your customers) in the maingrid who will continue to enjoy their adult environments (as you originally sold it.) You'll make everyone happy - everyone! I'll even let my daughter join, though I would still rather she have a Teen Grid to enjoy.

But if you continue on your current course, you'll enrage everyone, satisfy nobody, leave yourself wide open for legal action in the near future, and lose huge amounts of money.

Seriously guys, why can't you see this? It's so simple! Everyone of your customers sees it - so why can't you?

Are we just wasting our time by voicing our concerns on this matter ? Is this a done deal and we are just being viewed as complaining ?

Ok, regarding RL businesses not wanting a giant penis next to their build in SL... That simply won't happen. Why? Because "serious" RL businesses wouldn't buy a parcel of mainland anyway. They would buy a private island. So they would have *total* control of their surroundings. So the idea of LL trying to attract more businesses into SL with this change is a myth.

IMO, let's take LL by their word on their intention for this change... to make the SL experience more predictable. That's actually quite easy to achieve. First of all let parcel owners choose to rate their land as either PG, Mature or Adult.

And give users the ability to chose which kind of content they want displayed. Give them this choice when they create an account, and after that either via changing their preferences in the client or via the account-page on the SL-website.

If someone choses *not* to have Adult-rated content displayed, then the server just shouldn't send information about the prims on that parcel to the client and also not make any chat or voice content from that parcel available to that user. These changes could be easily and quickly implemented in the server- and client-software. And no-one would have to move at all. And people not wanting to see Adult or Mature content would have the added benefit of seeing more empty landscape

So let's see if LL stands by their stated intention of making SL a more predictable experience to users or if they have some hidden agenda. The way they implement this will surely show it.

And to LL: You already destroyed A LOT of your user's trust in you with the openspace/homestead debacle. If you chose to make people move (and that simply can NOT be done without cost and/or work on behalf of the ones who have to move, no matter how much you try to assist), then you will surely lose yet more trust in you. And you will lose that trust from people who account for a *major* part of the inworld economy. People who have innovated and continue to innovate. People who created content that the majority of users actually use. People who have invested time and money because they trusted you. Lose that trust and you will lose a lot of attractive content that won't be created anymore.

If I were forced to move -- I have a small club and am just about to open a furniture business that of course also has sex-beds -- I could do this quickly and probably with (almost) no cost to me because I'm just starting up my business and don't have that much stuff to move yet. But I would still be *very* annoyed. I already have one region in OSGRID that I run on my own server. And quite frankly, if I were able to create all the content myself, that I use, I would have already asked my SL-friends to move with me to OSGRID. I will now work even harder to extend my building-skills to prepare for that eventuality...

Shockwave Yareach .. you are right if SL thinks that this will keep the wrong people from mixing with those that are under age then they are just plain silly .

With all the hoohah and negative Media regarding Paedophilia......this is a disaster waiting to happen. Mixing RL kids with adults in PG regions is a definite NO NO!

These type of predators....and yes they do exist...don't care about the "Adult Regions", they'll be spending most of their SL life in PG Sims where RL kids reside.

anybody else getting forbidden errors when they try to post anything longer than a line?

Yes , I back paged then hit submit again

lol I cleared cache, refreshed the page, switched accounts even tried editing my own posts and it still refused to let a nice long post go through

I've heard it noted several times in the definition discussions that different cultures have different opinions on what is considered offensive. Perhaps there could be a national setting to SL, where you input your country, and it adjusts the filters accordingly.

This could eliminate problems such as that had with the ageplay incident, where a German was evesdropping on adult ageplay activities and was offended (even though HE was the one evesdropping, from what I hear).

With national settings, he could set his client to "Germany", and it would know that ageplay is considered offensive, and would thus have either blocked him from going there, warned him beforehand, or done nothing if he'd had it set that way, but he would have had to specifically SET it to allow him access, thereby voiding any lawsuit he could make.

This could allow residents of SecondLife freedom to activities forbidden in other countries but legal here, whilst preventing residents of those countries access to them, unless they specifically set the client to allow them access, which would thereby void any legal rights they had to sue over it. Thus, the continuing controversy over activities such as ageplay could be put to rest on both sides.

P.S. Note: This post is not designed to condone or shun the practice of ageplay, it is merely using ageplay as a reference due to the controversy over it's banning.

Morning all... Breaking this into 2 posts as the system is not letting me put it in one

Just some thoughts on logistics. Since the possibility of things changing is slim, I would like to make a few requests on the logistics of how this will happen.

1. Get a signup for those of us who will have to move or acquire land on the new continent as soon as possible. Get details of how much land, whether we will have to have help with tier and if there are special features that are central to the business like roads or water that have to be taken into consideration for the continued success of the business.

2. Once a name on the list has been approved for needing the move then allow them access to a private forum where we can meet with potential neighbors and try to make sure that we can be located in a manner that makes sense rather than willy-nilly tossing us all on a continent in a free for all. If people have asked to be located geographically close to each other then honor those requests.

3. Do your research!! If club A needs half a sim and store B needs half actually have people facilitating the move spend some time in both the store and the club. Make sure that region resources are split well. If club A has 40-50 avatars in it any any time and store B has 10-15 then they might not do well in a region together because the resources will be strained. Or if club A caters to one kink and store B is caters to another they might not be comfortable being neighbors.

4. Do your research!! Just because you're moving the people who cater to kinks, don't assume that we all automatically have all the same kinks. Talk to the business owners and while not establishing competing businesses next to each other without their say so don't place totally incompatible businesses next to each other either.

Brovo

sigh, now it's not letting me post the second half.

I just really wanted for business owners to really think about their own logistics and have their own plan ready so that we can all coordinate and not have this be a mess

!!! Lindens, please look into the sudden forbidden errors on posting. My post was shorter than some in this thread and even splitting it in half I was getting errors. It's difficult to get good fedback when we suddenly aren't even allowed to post.

I have an idea , why not zone the land either PG or mature then let the people decide witch zone is right for them . Let us then expect the adult player to act like adults and make independent choices for them selves as to what they want to do and where they want to visit . We can do this by the creation of a search button where people can search out places and things by entering a key word then searching . We then can include in world filters there by allowing adults the ability to filter out things that have an adult or mature content . This should solve all the problems . All we need for this to work is for people to take on the responsibility of policing SL for them selves .

I'm not sure that's the case. Sure, they can focus attention on the G rated continent where kids can be found. But the act of asking leading questions and asking "ASL" will be considered offensive there and catch the attention of ALL the adults nearby! Believe me, if my girl enters the G land, daddy will sometimes be watching and will lay down some Federal hurt on anyone thinking it's a free pickup zone. I doubt I'll be the only one, especially since most of the people on the G continent are there because they want a place where such is not permitted, and they'll rabidly protect their clean homeland (more rabidly than current homeowners are protecting their stuff now.) So there's plenty of reason to believe that the G continent, by the very nature of being defined as G, will be the last place on earth the pervs will want to go, since they'll have no way of knowing which avatar is a little girl, someone with LL on speeddial, a Linden, or a FBI agent.

A pervert interested in kids will most certainly go to a G rated zone , thats just there way , hence the reason they have a problem in the first place . They do far more daring things in real life and to think that they would be afraid to go to a G rated zone is a bit naive .

Mmm, perhaps. As I've said before, I think the idea of combining the grids is dumb in the first place, for just the reasons I've laid out before. But I've been at least semi okay with a G continent that they could have. You bring up a good point though - the criminals don't think like good honest folk do. So yes, I need to think more like a criminal when I think about allowing her inworld.

Actually, my first thought was scary - what keeps them out of Teen SL in the first place? As you said, they'll go where the kids are...

It is a known issue with their butchered vBulletin to "plug" a security hole.

Basically, if you use the words "select", "update", "delete", etc. in certain orders and combinations with certain prepositions, you get the error message.

After Reading this thread (quite a feat) I 'm wondering could this WHOLE issue have been started as a form of griefing? It seems (and I may be wrong) that the whole point of griefing is to 'get a rise' out of people. This has gotten a HUGE rise out of MOST. Is there some 'gamer' sitting somewhere laughing it up with themselves? (was gonna say with thier friends but that would be an oxymoron)
Furthermore... FORCED RELOCATION CAMPS? (oh I mean continents) Hasn't this issue been covered in pre tech days? (I thought it was gererally accepted that this was a BAD thing(correct me please if I'm wrong.)
and FINALLY.... MOST people it seems stick to TOS as written (or the perceived meaning) Why in all searches for LOGIC would the majority of landowners on here be punished for the ills of a few (those ills mostly likely COVERED in the current TOS?! Are Repeated TOS offenders punishible? OH only the LANDOWNER TOS violaters are...the run of the mill jerks just lay low and sign in as one of thier many alts.
The question to the Lindens is... Who has a greater stake? the Gentry or the Rabblerouser? How many 'complaints' came in from landowners vs non landowners?

Changing the rules 'on the fly' so to speak seems strange... OH wait... we have just had that the open sim debacle... where the many were punished because of the few.
in the words of the late great rosann rosanna danna... "never mind"

You are exactly right and I would bet that there are some on the teen grid that should not be there .

I know! I know! Let's fix the search so that material classified as "adult" only shows up when users want it to, like when they tick a box or something. And when you have mature stuff on your land,flag that parcel so there can be some kind of system that prevents people from seeing that stuff unless they want to.

...Wait...

You probably have "sel ect from" or something else that looks like SQL in there.

OK, so I'm Australian, so it lets me see bronzed bare-breasted mattress bashers, but I live in Texas, so I don't see any damn Yankees?

Could it be a case of SL wanting there cake and eating it to ? SL is an adult game , could there desire for corporate money be the driving force to unite the teen grid and adult grid so that corporate sponsors can market to all age groups be the driving factor in this matter ?

Any way you look at it SL WILL face trouble and legal issues if the merge the two grids at some point down the line .

Don't mess up the zoning format , don't tell people who bought in a mature zone that its now not a mature zone .

Create more filters if you like and just remember its the adults paying for SL and all of there decisions .

The more unpopular changes that SL brings in is only going to lead to some other game developer to step in and meet the gamer needs of all the people that feel taken for granted .

If SL doesn't meet our gaming needs then the free market will create another game that does , you can bet your ass on that one and to think other wise SL is a huge mistake on your behalf .

So if its your goal to piss off your base and create an environment for child predators and the in evadible law suits that will surly follow then just stick to your current course .

So at hate rally's in a Sudanese sim, do we actually see the person getting stoned after getting buried up to their waist in prims or do we see a tribal dance fancy style where no one is hurt instead?