Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

It's amazing what one will stumble upon when questing for such a simple keyword as 'Second Life Textures'...yet here I am. About 5 hours ago is the first I'd even heard of all this nonsense (for nonsense it is) and I haven't stopped laughing since then.

Do you honestly mean to tell me that Linden Lab, the Company that has proven time and time again that it is incapable of enforcing it's own policies with anything even akin to regularity, is going to try and not only define, but monitor and police, something that the American judicial system has been struggling with for well over half a century? Makes me wonder who filed a lawsuit against them and scared them into such a drastic change of policy. That having been said...I wish them the best of luck...

I do have a couple things to say to some of the posters I've seen, so let me start by openly stating that I am adamantly in favor of the forced relocation of 'adult' themed content. Don't get me wrong, what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home is their business...but if I am forced to listen to two overweight, middle-aged men, hiding behind 20yr old(-ish) looking model-quality avatars that they obviously spent -way- too much real life cash to perfect, babbling on about mistress this and mistress that...I'm probably going to rip out another chunk of my own hair.

Exaggeration aside, I know that's an extreme and just my personal tastes and shouldn't be moderated...but let me share a much more realistic, and far more visually disturbing scenario that recently happened to me.

I happen to be a big fan of solo-exploratory skydiving. One of my favorite things to do is turn on the audio media stream, TP to an infohub, sail to around 4000 meters pull my chute, and drift around on the simulated winds until I land somewhere, then wander around wherever I've landed. I've found a lot of interesting little spots this way that I never would've found by using that crap-heap of a search engine.

A few days ago, I managed to catch a rather rude surprise. Drifting down on the digital breeze, I pull my cord, hit the ground in a nice, soft landing and find myself in a courtyard, with a fountain and a large building off to the left, devoid of any real markings and some innocent looking sim name displayed in the top bar of the viewer...so I wander in, curious. What greets my eyes was enough to make me physically ill. Roughly a dozen hermaphrodites, (I'm assuming...the ones I noted were herm, I didn't crotch-check everyone before leaving) all engaged in some sort of sexual activity, many of which were well beyond what most people I know would consider 'kinky'. If there's blood involved, it's no longer sex, it's perversion and one should seek therapy if they are getting sexual thrills from such behavior. Hate me if you must. I'll spare you the details of the graphic, violently sexual images depicted on the walls, or the hilarious IM conversation where smeone in the crowd had the nerve to call -me- a pervert because I was wearing a 'furry' avatar. (I don't even -own- any genitalia for it.)

There are a few facts that most of the complainers have apparently forgotten, so let me remind you:

1) 'Rights' are a legal/social construct, created by and thusly, alterable by man, and even if you are one of those people who believes that your rights came from God, Allah, Yahweh, Buddha, whoever, those writings all seem to agree on one small point. Your rights end when they infringe upon another person's.

2) And this is specifically for the people preaching about creating a'G rated' area s us 'bigots and prudes' (LMAO) can 'live in a world of censorship': Why should -we- have to make special accomoations because -you- want to get your rocks off to pixel porn? You don't tell someone who was shot in a robbery "Well, you should've bought a vest, it's your own fault."

3) The definition between art and pronography is often blurry, but it would seem to me fairly simple, if the image/activity is intended to bring about erotic thoughts, sexual feelings or states of sexual arousal, guess what? Porn, so can we stop trying to pretend that images of two lesbians engaged on oral copulation, however tastefull it might seem, is anything but porn?

4) Specifically for all those people wondering about what this will mean for combat, and I'll break it up into multiple sub-points for ease of reading a) Combat in SL is a serious joke. Hit detection flaws, lag, sneaky scripters, poorly designed weapons, sim errors and lag, (Yes I said it twice intentionally) make any form of combat utterly pointless and b) the only thing -really- accomplished by all the weapons vendors out there is the creation of an arms race between self proclaimed security 'specialists' and griefers. And we see how well the Lindens handle them...(*Facepalm*)

5) Final point...and this one is for all those whiners with the 'SL isn't RL, RL rules shouldn't apply.' sorts of arguments. You're right, SL isn't RL. There is a VAST difference between the two. SL is the only place I know of where, in a matter of seconds (or minutes, depending on sim lag) I can change from a tiny rolling rock with a chalk-board and magical arms, to a 2 story tall dragon, to a 50 meter tall marshmellow man and back again. But there is one thing that doesn't change. While the avatars might be fantastical to the point of ridiculousness and the background scene might be something straight out of an M.C. Escher painting...behind it all are people. Real people with real hangups and real moral standards and real feelings about real subjects that touch close to their real hearts, and thusly real solutions need to be applied, or sooner or later, SL will degenerate into a total anarchy, populated by the lowest of the low-down scum of the internet. A place where 5yr olds get hopped up in gin and heroine, go for a walk only to be kidnapped and raped by Bubba the Rapist's pet rottweiler, (played by a human) while outside, large particle penises are brutally assaulting some noob who's only crime was refusing to pay some 'Maffia' punk a large chunk of linden and in the other room, Maria is laying on an operating table, slowly being sliced apart by Jin and Tokkugi for tne entertainment of half a dozen imps and one guy with a 40 meter, floppy dick.

The truth of the matter is, it's not necessarily the 'adult' material that needs to be locked away, it's the extreme stuff. Some couple, enjoying eachother's company in the privacy of their own land is their own business. But when that same couple wants to come to my favorite club with their genitals waving in the breeze, then it becomes my problem too. A club full of people who want to play hermaphrodites and engage in some twisted sexual activities...that's their business. When I can accidentally land in the middle of that same orgy without any warning, then it becomes my problem as well. What these people don't understand is, they make a choice when they decide to engage in certain types of activities or lifestyles, more so in SL than anywhere else. No one in SL has the excuse of being 'born' a hermaphrodite for example, they chose to portray that, and that's fine, but they should accept the consequences of that choice. One of those consequences is going to be the dissaproval of a very large, very vocal portion of the community, and ostracization. Yes, I made the choice of walking into the club, and it proved to be a bad one, but I was completely uninformed. They on the other hand, surely know that those activities are frowned upon by a rather large chunk of the population and that some random passer-by isn't likely to enjoy the scene.

Bottom line, there is a serious problem in SL, focused mainly around what some try to defend by calling 'alternate lifestyles' or 'non-mainstream sexuality' or one of a million other euphemistic terms, but in reality, the BDSM freaks (I'm talking serious stuff, razor blades, whipping someone to the point of damage, the guillotine sex-chair that I'm sure at least -some- of you have seen, that sort of stuff.), the people -intentionally- portraying a genetic sexual mistake (as in body architecture, not sexual preference), the scat lovers, tentacle rape enthusiasts, diaper freaks...these people are damaged. They have a mental disorder that needs to be treated, not encouraged. Does this include the couple that wants to log in for a nice afternoon of mutual masturbation and pixel sex? No. Does this include the people who want to get together and have a nice friendly orgy? No. But if you try and draw a line as to what's too kinky" and what's "Just good ol' vanilla sex'" then you'll run into just as big a problem as trying to establish a multi-cultural guideline to classify 'adult' material. So, move it all.

And keep in mind that people are ignoble, deceitful, vicious creatures that will bend and push and poke at any set of rules until a loophole is found, and will then exploit it ruthlessly, despite the overall damage to the system. So an iron hand is going to be needed with this, which, alas, Linden Lab is utterly incapable of maintaining.

@Urban Haystack

Ridiculously obnoxious generalizations aside, nice post. It is a shining example of the type of behaviour which encourages LL to make an effort to babysit those who cannot utilize such gifts as the Mute button.

"Rated Mature: If you don't like it, look elsewhere."

"Rated Adult: Because we're getting too many complaints of intolerance around here and need to restrict less mature people from seeing things which make them mad."

"Rated PG: If you don't like it, AR the poor schmucks."

One day 12 year old Deborah decided to join the new secondlife. Nothing can happen, it has all these nice protection rules. After talking to several people she finds that cool Linden Freebies for new people wow wow cool. Soon someone tells her there are even much cooler freebie stores in the rest of SL. Wow Wow coool .... of course as a 12 year old Deborah is bored by these tutorials, she want that cool stuff, hey iti si second life, you can get all those cool clothes for free, a fantasy comes true ....

Not 90 minutes after her entering second life Deborah is shopping, hey yes she is a bright child.

Someone tells her nudity gets her banned in PG places, but hey she is not age verified and cannot get age verified, but she is protected in this so sane world where children do not have to see nusdity ....

Hmm ok, where to change now, she wants to try these nice clothes....

Ohh there is a nature park, a forest in the search. Wow cool, of course a forest is a lonely place, she can change there .... (in rl, is a nature showcase also a lonely place in SL ?)

So happily she hides behind a tree and for hours stands there naked, semi naked in new clothes, she needs a lot of time, this camera is so difficult to manage and get right to see that new stuff. Also the stupid trees always change focus ....

After a while a guy comes along and sees naked deborah and asks her "wanna fuck ?"

Of course not, who is that guy ?

guy: "Hey, you know nudity can get you banned, I have a nice bude screenshot of you and I will write an abuse report ...."

Deborah feels threatened, she does not know how to write an abuse report and aboove all not that this is a no SL official, would he inform her parents too ? She also never heard that blackmailing is a serious offense and a sure case to write an abuse report herself ....

Deborah thinks how to get out of this: "Hmm what did the guy say he wanted to let me run ?" .........

The rest of the story I let to your imagination....

However, nude people are easy to hunt with an inquisition system ... how about IM debauchees, how many will get reported by the teens ? And which was it again on your parental priority list "What I wanted to protect my children from" ? not to see nudity or softporn like the MLP beds that you see every day anyway on TV or in the cinema or debauchees ?

Morale of the story, too strong rules often do the opposite they are intended to achieve. It is NOT a vote against the protection mechanism, it is a vote to use common sense on the strictness how it is implemented.

Fun fact: it is possible to wear items of clothing without removing the previous article of the same 'wear' slot...

Fun Fact #2: If Debora is 12 yrs old, she shouldn't be on the adult grid in the first place.

Fun Fact #3: Unwanted sexual advances are also against the rules, not to mention plenty of laws. If Deborah doesn't know that by 12 yrs old, then her parents fail @ their jobs.

Fun Fact #4: The problem of not knowing how to change clothes, not knowing how to file an abuse report and not operating the camera could all be solved by a couple very simple fixes to the Orientation Island tutorials.

Urban Haystack

That's one of the most nonsensical post I've ever read in a forum.
You admittedly land randomly on other people's land and then you complain that you didn't like what you saw.
You seem to forget they're on a private property. Where everybody, except the land owner, isn't but a tolerated intruder...

There is a difference between a half a sim of night-club and shopping environment and a private homestead lot...guess I should've mentioned that little tidbit earlier. And since I managed to drift there from an infohub, I can only assume it was on a mainland continent and not a private island...

Precisely. And although it isn't LL's aim at protecting children so much as it is protecting their integrity as a company.

The problem is, LL are programmers. They create and maintain a "3D Virtual World" while taking in revenue from the people who use it. But somewhere along those lines, they shifted directions away from purely technological development to apparently wanting to toy with legalities and social constructs, etc.

I've always been awry about the fact that such entities exist within SL as the G-Team. As I've stated before, it is an unnecessary use of resources that could and should be directed at maintaining the technological aspects of SL.

Just think of the amount of progress the Viewer alone would make if the resources used within the G-Team were instead used toward making the software and service more reliable.

The responsibilities the G-Team should have should not extend into the little squabbles between residents throughout SL. Instead, it should only be kept within the confines of what those in the G-Team are actually capable of maintaining.

As a side note, the only reasoning I have behind an alternate rating for PG is due to LL's own claim that SL is supposed to be for people 18+. Now unless they expect your average 44 year old on SL to have to answer to their parents every time they see or do something "adult-like" on a computer, I fail to see what sense there is in a rating that has been always used to signify that a minor is not allowed to view the content unless accompanied by a legal Parent or Guardian.

P.S. Anyone ever gotten those chain mail letters regarding the death of Common Sense?

1) You did not take even a reasonable measure to ensure that you would not run into something you found offensive. How is SL supposed to police people like you, from yourself? You randomly "dropped" into someone's home on a mature parcel of land. So these people should have clearly posted in the sky every so often, and even around all their borders and somewhere in between that someone, somewhere, could be offended by what they were doing? If I ran into these people by accident, most likely I would quickly TP out with a blush, at the very least apologize for randomly dropping in, but you continued to check and wait for all textures to rez apparently.

2) How is calling hermaphrodites offensive (in their own homes, on mature land that they purchased specifically because it is mature), and wanting them uprooted and moved to the new SLAMsterdam (preferably they will just leave SL altogether), not "infringing upon their rights?"

Urban ...

1) Teen Grid will be merged with ours, maybe you have overread that fact.

2) You obviously never work with children ? do you ?

Have I missed that announcement? Has some Linden, somewhere, actually confirmed this? Link?

1) Pure conjecture. There has been no official announcement, only a remark by one or two Linden Lab employees. Until there has been an announcement of such on the blogs fully stating that this will happen, this isn't so.

Though I do admit, it is good to stay on the safe side. Heck, some may even benefit from it. I know quite a few TSL Resis who can't wait until they're 18 so we can all chill in the area of Plum and Sage. Ahh the good old days.

Dear Lindens, I don't understand why all this kerfuffle is necessary. We already have an adult world where children are not allowed. Just stop letting them get in illegally.

I find it interested that this thread has spawned 4 pages and the questions being asked haven't even been commented on by anyone of the " Staff ". If this was a discussion between the " staff " and the " members " then please tell me where this " staff " is.

Also, It does appear that changes have come to the beta grid~ It all reset. Logged in to an alt and found this out just now.

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I Don't Agree On:
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I don't agree with the segregation of people who have adult content...

I don't agree with moving them.

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I DO Agree On:
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I Do agree on making more powerful privacy tools. I.E: Making it so you can't cam through ban lines.

I DO agree that places should be Flagged mature or PG.... and that maybe its the PG areas that need to have the " Okay " Flag, and that mature and adult should be left alone. I'd rather be told that the place I teleport to is safe, then asked if I want to go to this place because it " May or may not " have offensive material.

The funny thing is..This isn't something LL suggested, It's something the people have...and it's being ignored.

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I Do & Don't Agree:
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I DO agree, to a small percentage, that the teen grid merge WOULD be a good idea. And LL, lets get it straight, that's what your aiming for. Cut the bull.... I think it WOULD bring more customers for the PG rated areas that sell items.... But I do NOT agree that LL should have anything to do with " Content filtering " to protect the " Kids ". That is the PARENTS duty, Not the government, Not LL, Not Mine. The Parents. If they're stupid enough to allow their kid to get on second life without monitoring, and allow their kid to go to an area with sexy lingerie or sexgen beds...Then its THEIR fault, THEIR responsibility, THEIR parenting. Not ours. Stop making the adults and people who enjoy this program pay for the idiocy of parents who don't know how to raise their kids properly.

In all:

I DO agree about the Merge.
I DO agree that there needs to be more ability to restrict people from having access to parcels BY THE OWNER OF THE LAND, NOT LINDEN LABS.
I DON'T Agree with the forcefully moving of adult-orientated residents.
I DON'T Agree with requiring Age verification for everyone -- Or in the very least, the current methods of Age verification.
I SOMEWHAT Agree That there should be 3 levels of Content - PG, Mature, Adult, Mature being everything not sex.
I DON'T agree that we should be trying to protect the kids of parents who don't know how to raise their children or who has unrealistic ideas and morals about what their kids should and should not see.

And last but not least,

I DON'T Agree with Linden Labs Segregating, Discriminating, And treating their customers and adult orientated people like junk. Forcing people to move is doing just that...segregating, discriminating, and treating people like junk....

It is actually much harder than that - filtering on words alone will be quickly bypassed by for example compound words (sexchat, sexclub etc.). Filtering any word containing the string "sex" will filter sexton, sextet, sextuplet, etc. You also have the problem of different languages.

The Google Safe Search is unlikely to work (well) in SL for the same reason that the Google ranking doesn't work particularly well in SL. Google has a lot more contextual information on the web page (or even website) to work from.

In SL, the description field limits you to little more that a short paragraph of text for the Google engine to analyse. In order to increase search rankings, many commercial venues now have a description which is little more than a list of keywords, so the engine cannot even analyse basic structure. Picks (which you are trying to represent in the Google engine as links) often contain exactly the same text as the place the pick represents; in the cases where someone edits the text, it is typically because they are using the pick to represent something other than a location, e.g. a friend, and so the text is not relevant to the location. As such, the engine picks up little relevant addition text to analyse from picks.

Compare this to where the Google engine is designed to run - the web page may well have a list of keywords embedded into somewhere but it will typically also have three or four paragraphs of structured prose. It will include links to other sites which also contain structured prose (SL has no equivalent to this), as well as being linked to from sites containing structured prose. This gives the engine a much larger amount of structured prose to analyse to determine things such as relevant search terms, language of the page, and maturity rating of the page.

What you really need to do is revamp how you can describe places in SL. Have a short place for keywords only, and a much longer place where you can include a long description with some formatting available, and the ability to reference/link to other places (that it at a minimum, clearly you can expand on this to include people, events etc....)

Matthew

Oh, *this* is going to be fun. So you're going to assume what people think/tell them what they *should* think when seeing something specific?
So we're going to start judging people on *what we assume they are thinking*?
While your definition may "seem fairly simple", the implication of it is something straight out of the worst, dystopian science fictions.


Are you implying that since you don't like it - and not even for reasons of taste/morals, but simply because the technology is not good enough in your opinion -it's not something people should be doing in the first place?
Apart from that, you seem oblivious to the fact that most combat is *not* an arms race with the built-in damage system, but uses custom, 3rd-party roleplaying systems.

Those "one or two Linden Lab employees" just happen to be the absolute top positions and strategists of the company.
I think, however, that the Lindens who claim that "there are no plans for any changes to the Teen Grid" are technically correct. My guess is that LL will preserve the Teen Grid as is, with it's verification requirements, as a safe sandbox. But that does not say anything about whether the main grid will be opened to teens.

Like, say, kicking down random people's doors (or parachuting down on them) and drag them off to walled-off areas if they are found to have expressed distasteful thoughts?

So then we would have a "safe" little sandbox for the teens to go when they tire of us boring adults. Then the "perceived as safe" adult sandbox for us adults to go and play around in when we tire of the teens. So the mainland will be where the pedophiles/sex offenders go to mess around with teens? Not sure I really like this idea so much.

What I view as the worst part of the plan is the age-verification of residents, because it sends a series of really, hugely wrong messages:

1) LL implicitly discriminates residents on the basis of their nationality and/or their economic situation: it appears clearly that the age-verification process will be more difficult and in some cases, technically impossible for people in some regions of the world, especially if they don’t hold a credit card, and that is my personal case. It appears that to be verified I would have to provide a copy of an official document (ID card, Passport, driving license…) and seemingly, I’ll have to agree that LL or its surrogates contact the government authorities of my home-country to verify their authenticity. That is definitely not something I’m willing to do to maintain my “Second Life experience” as I’ve used to enjoy it.

2) LL considers that the norm is that irresponsible parents let their unmonitored underage children join Second Life’s main grid. As a consequence, the great majority of responsible adults will have to undergo some disruption in their SL routine to let LL ratify that.

3) LL considers that it’s okay to have unmonitored underage residents as long as they’re not allowed in the future adult-continent. This is pure nonsense: I think that unwanted exposure to “extreme” (?) adult activities is a really marginal part of the problem. There are heavier risks of damaging experiences for teenagers in some situations that are not necessarily overly sexual (or violent), if sexual at all. I have witnessed situations where two adults got cyber-romantically involved and were devastated when, for some reason, the relationship came to an end. Imagine what that would be with teens...

4) Second Life is setting a very dangerous precedent for the internet as a whole as far as management of adult content is concerned. So far it is generally accepted that a simple warning from the content provider and a declaration that one is not a minor are enough to access adult material on the web. By implementing an age-verification system, LL might quite well break that status quo and harm the general privacy and freedom currently existing on the www.

The only sensible communication for LL is to say "Second Life is an adult environment by nature so parents are warned to monitor their underage children's online activity and preferably prevent them to join Second Life at all.

Here's some reading that might be interesting for all: http://sexualintelligence.wordpress.com/2009/01/27/great-news-for-parents-internet-much-safer-than-you-thought/

That would be my guess, yes. I'm actually not sure that's such a bad idea. It would require far better options for zoning than we have currently, but I think SL could really use that in the first place, to make it possible to build dedicated communities. -Including mixed "general mature" areas, if that's what people want.
-The currently proposed "lump everybody to a walled off section based on what an AR-happy simjumper thinks is appropriate, and which GTeam member is on duty" certainly isn't the system for that. (Though I guess it's better than being *banned* based on the same criteria, as some cases show...)

What can I say that hasn't been said already? Unfortunately I come in with a defeated attitude as nothing will stop LL from the course they're on. Even though 2-4% is WAY off, most of the residents I have encountered want nothing to do with this, and again LL is catering to the very few who aren't (as aptly put above) mature enough to just tp away from a situation they don't like.

Is my store so offensive to so many people just because I have *gasp* sex animations in my furniture? (Yet I allow absolutely no nudity or even sexual roleplay within my store.) I will still be forced to move to a locked down continent where my sales will drop horribly.. putting me out of business? Because I sell sex furniture.

Oh well, wait I can move to a private sim and avoid the hassle.. paying over 100$ us more a month, having to give up my beautiful whole green mainland sim with just a lil bit of water on it, worth (well at one point) way more than a private estate?

Hm, so the option is 1) Be forced to move to the concentration camp that will be the "adult continent" and be put out of business, dying a slow death unable to sustain the size of my store with the amount of residents that will be able to get into it..

2) Pay Linden Labs even more money, taking a huge loss on my mainland (As prices will again plummet even lower than they were a few months ago) to buy a private estate, in which, I'll have to move anyway, but at least won't be stuck in the "adult" ghetto.

All semblance of respectability, No nudity, no RP, will be lost if stores such as mine are forced to move. As I can see the arguments clearly now, "I can run around naked with genitals on, this is the adult continent!!" So, Art store owners that may sell something as beautiful and classic as a replica of the David statue, furniture store owners that sell sex furniture for PRIVATE use, Skins stores that make a choice to show the entirety of their merchandise without censorship pasties, are all going to be lumped in with the free sex orgy rooms? Nice. Thanks to the Linden that bowed to the pressure of the 2-4% that actually WANT this segregation. This will put many out of business and tank the economy in SL (Yet again). Don't we have enough of that going on in RL?

When I read it, it started out by looking good. Flagging adult content. Not really a change, except the flag used to be called "mature", but apparently most things are flagged mature, and so a new flag is needed for the "we really mean it" mature parts. Separating the regions out, so you can't walk (or skydive) from a non-adult sim to an adult sim, or move the camera there. That would actually be an improvement over "ban lines". Ok, so some people would need to move. That's a disadvantage, but you can't really separate things without moving them apart.

Fine, until this point, everything has been argued as a way of letting people decide for themselves what they want to see, and what they don't. Voluntarily. It sounded so great. But then, down at the end, where most people probably already stopped reading, comes the catch: This is not going to be voluntary, it will be based on who is willing to risk sending personal information to a third party, or who has a credit card, and are willing to risk using that online.

I'm 32, way over the age of maturity, at least in this part of the world (Scandinavia). I can buy adult magazines if I want to, and have been able to ever since having money. There are no age limit on adult magazines around here. I don't have a credit card, and I'm not going to trust any random company with my personal information, especially not when it's connected to my SL life. Being a LGBT-person, SL is the place where I can be myself, rather than whatever society has defined me to be, and I don't want that connected to my real life id in any way. So, implementing this would mean that I can no longer voluntarily go to an adult sim with my SL boyfriend.

For me, and (I'm sure) a lot of other LGBT people, SL has been a place of freedom. Freedom to be ourselves, freedom to date the people we like, rather than conforming to society's expectations of "one man, one woman and 2.4 kids".

Until now.

Who said what isn't relevant. The fact is, there has been no official announcement of a merger. Once they openly say it is so ON THEIR OWN BLOG, is when it is so. Period.

The "two grids" just so happen to both be on the Agni cluster. I wonder if that is what initially got this rumour going. A strategist and logistics personnel could easily have a slip of tongue and a misunderstanding could develop which mutates like any other rumour, and before anyone knows it we have widespread panic; "The teens are coming! The teens are coming!"

But heck, THAT is obvious conjecture.

Either way, any chance of a "grid merger" is completely irrelevant as well. If anyone actually reads the initial post they would know this is about an attempt at achieving the impossible and has got next to nothing to do with minors. Read: "trying to make the SL experience more predictable."

I have been reading and trying to keep up but I could not figure out how to pull a quote from another thread .


@ Blondin Linden

You say "The idea is that overtly sexual or violent themed areas would be classified as Adult"
You also say "GLBT venues will NOT automatically be considered Adult."

Do you find that Fetish, Bondage, BDSM fall into this area I do not find this "Overtly Sexual" but I live with it everyday

You say "The idea is that there will be multiple ways to become verified."

And yet none of those have worked for my Partner

You say "Nudists/Naturalist will not be deemed as Adult"

But what about a naked dance party. No one is having Sex.

I do like the idea of being able to pick what kind of Info Hub you rez into when the Sim fails

You Say "That is an interesting thought: Adult being actionable rather than visual"

But where do you draw the line on Visual art .. a Nude painting .. a Painting of a Nude tied up .. a Painting of someone hung to death .. Visually how much blood can be shown ..a Painting of one person shooting another..A painting of two furries having Sex .. A painting of a Dom/me stepping on someone

You say"Any avatar on an adult verified account will be able to access adult content."

Did you just give the ok for ageplay?

You Say"The people who will be made to move won't have to pay."

What if I don't want to move my whole sim but I want a whole Sim in the New "Adult" just so I don't have to share a Sim with another Club or some "Reenactment" Group


@Jp Linden

You Say "Thanks for your input - We are reading each of these responses. We'll be following up later this week with a recap and schedule of in-world brown bags next week."

But where will you post these time and places at?



@ Jeska Linden

You Say "Let's be clear here - this change is not about deleting content or controlling behavior. All of the same content will still be available, just located in a different "virtual" location (and still a teleport away!).

This change is about enhancing Second Life for all Residents by giving them greater control over their inworld experiences. It should help to allow a greater granularity of control over what Residents see, and provide the best available method to make Adult content accessible only to those who ought to (and who desire to) access it."

Why don't we take this one step further and put all the PG Sims and Mature Sims each in there own place?


@everyone

Why are the RP player all so quite I have not heard anything about ..Well how many bullets can I hit them with before it becomes Adult ... but Swords are real weapons and at all "Adult" .. So if an Avatar steps on a mine how many limbs can it blow off before it is Too Much

Also how will this affect Burning Life?


taken from
http://www.ioltechnology.co.za/article_page.php?from=rss_IOLTechHome&iSectionId=2883&iArticleId=4890728

IBM is working with Linden to build a private conference area protected by a software "fire wall" for meetings focused on sensitive information best not discussed on the "public grid.


Wow sounds like this to a near perfect answer hand these "Firewalls" out to everyone and you won't hear or see a moan of pleasure anywhere in the grid

I feel that *I* Am Adult Content I feel in love with Second Life because I didn't feel I had to hide .. I Set up business in Second Life on a Mature Sim On the Main Land because I felt I would always be safe.

I have two children that also Play Second Life and I'm for a grid merge but a sane one

One that doesn't Censor what others do .. My kids are Mature Enuff to walk away .. to click Mute on someone griefing them
Why can't more "Adults" be this Mature .. I have watch over there shoulder as I tried to talk them thru the building of something and seen as they got Caged . Heard the Foul Talk .. and watched them Mute the "Bad Boyz" ..Move a bit and keep on building.
I feel that there is No safer place for them than in My mature Sim that I can control than anywhere in both grids..

Having said that there are places on My Sim that I would not let them go ..

I know its too late to not sound like "Some Nut Job" but I have said enuff for now.

Also Everyone Please don't think that this doesn't affect you and remain quite

2-4% my Butt

*I* Am Adult Content and I want to play SL

MystressAnna Lovenkraft

Philip Linden and M Linden have both said they are in favour of a merged grid, they're the head honchos, that's where the rumours come from and when LL try and move content to an adult area people are going to rightly ask if this is the first step towards merging the grids, bearing in mind that it's not some logistic person's slip of the tongue we're talking about.

If this adult continent move does go ahead there's likely top be less adult content around, that makes a merger logistically easier. All Linden Lab representatives have said on this issue is that there are no immediate plans, well that's no surprise as setting up the new continents is going to take months.