Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Why not make two new continents one PG and one Red Light and have them be totaly optional. Users that want strickly PG will flock to the PG continent, while users that that will want the exposer of being around other like minded adult users will flock to the new Redlight Continent.

On a side note Linden Labs should take into account alll of the adult dance clubs ie. Strip clubs. with only 2-3 people in them
theres hundreds of them just look in the search. when you bunch them all together the crap ones will fall too the way side, what will be great for sum (club owners) but bad for others (club furniture makers). This whole move has the possiblity of helping sum people, but all the while really putting the pinch on the little guy and putting them out of buisness.

I'm wondering if group access only would work in your case. Or in general. If we added a "adult" group tag which would allow us to go into adult only access areas. In that case LL would need to do some sort of verification.

Or for your situation, you could create a private group for your land, you could set access to group only and your partner could join your group and be allowed in.

If groups who don't want drop ins, set up group access that would solve that problem at least (for even the sky divers who drop in unexpectedly I think ...does that access last past the 100 k limit unlike general ban lines? I'll have to check).

When you want to do something not "adult", change the land access to public again. Oh, it occurs to me that you could add your partner to an allow list on land access anyway and skip the whole group thing.

I think private interludes shouldn't force you to move to "adult" land...I wouldn't move for that myself.

The solution that I actually use is a sky house with a security orb that has an allow list and a tight radius just around my house so as to not interfere with fly bys. People camming in to get offended are just voyeurs and should be sent to the adult sim!

I'm really hoping for a balance that doesn't inflict puritan sexual mores while at the same time allowing me to not be stuck with what I would consider yucky images I didn't want to see while looking for dance anims.

LL have allready said they have no intention of providing a PG only island, Godess knows why as they are paving to way for the teen grid and adult to be merged in the future.

there will be no changes to the teen grid for now, means just that ..not that they will never happen

I may not be as eloquent as some posting but...

If alts will tied to a 'main' account for AV purposes, will there be a way for those of us who run an adult business or playground choose to lock 'PG' only mains and their alts tagged as 'Adults', from our land?
Of course this would be to discourage the double standards of being a squeaky clean main and then hitting the Adult continent on an alt. How many "asking for this" have an alt that they actively seek this with?

I for one would not want someone who publicly decries Adult behavior and then goes seeking it in anonymity to come to 'My Land' and enjoy 'My Creations' when they are hypocrites.

But many do that in RL...come to SL for that reason..to be what they can't in RL..to experiment. Its really getting strange to me be reminded that all humans are sexual and yet we haven't figured out a cultural answer to sexual expression that isn't some sort of limit or out right repression in RL or and now SL.

What is it about desire that seems ultimately socially disruptive? Or at least seems that way to those in power to make the rules.

Thats not a bad idea....like an extra login option from a drop down menu...instead of Teens....make it Adult World. Rofl- the login numbers of the Main grid would drop like a stone!

Im not totally in agreeance with the google search idea for a few reasons. First off you can turn safe search off, and secondly they way it was explained to me was all the search engines use web crawlers to get the data and then send it back. One of the old ways around these crawlers were Meta tags to get your site to show up in diferent places even in places / cadigories they dont belong. If that is incase fact then reverse engineering is easy. So you have a adult area that you deem xxx well hmm lets see so they dont use the key words the search looks for. You really cant use the word adult as a block word to keep thingsin the xxx area because there are child and adult avitars. If you block the adult word in search, then item specific clothing gets shoved into the adult xxx area. Yet its not on the reverse if it doesnt get flagged then whats to say someone doesnt use the word adult bed hmm back into general search again.

I am ok with getting the hard core xxx stuff in a seperate area but its an idea that will cause more grief then improvement. You guys started off good with attempting to shut down the add farms and blatent visual add signs that were all over SL. I remember somewhere LL even mentioned about not allowing 16m parcells anymore. Of course they are still all over the place and people wanting 5-15K for a little 16m lot.

On the violence part someone needs to wake up and play some older video games. Like was mentioned earlier in the posts. Anyone here play Quake one of the older first person shooter games. umm thats not listed adult, or on the teen grid where there are armies everywhere shooting each other up. Yeah thats what I want ,armies of teens griefing my mature sim cause they can. But then again my mature sim won't be mature it will probably be changed to PG, so I guess I better have my abuse tab ready to go. So LL can take weeks to review and examine the report and decide if its valid or not.

I say you guys need to finish cleaning up the lad side from all the bill board add signs and 16m lots, get the roads finished. Do open your xxx land up but dont force people to move there suggest it strongly and see who wants to move to the redlight district. Given a choice and offer a nice affordable alternative im sure lots would happily move if they got more bang for the buck, meaning prim count or bigger lots for the same cost they have now.
I don't deal with the xxx stuff but if given the option to have an island that was in the xxx area at the same tier I pay now for 3/4 of a main land sim and no fees or charges to move. Id be there in a minute just for the simple fact. I DON'T want to deal with teens and immature adults. But I know thats not something that would be offered because LL would loose money.

Whilst much chatter has been focused on the definition. It seems to me, bizarre that the simplest solution is not really being looked at in detail. In the real world we may be subjected to images and issues that we find offensive, distasteful etc. on our Streets and on our televisions, how do we deal with that? Walk past, switch over or switch off. If the real issue is that LL want to bring a more 'serious' form of Business oriented and Educational avatar to SecondLife, and increase the volume of join ups, it seems to me that 3 things might form a resolution, to something that otherwise appears like a PR exercise.

1. Look at the Adult Verification Issue at sign up, and address the issue of what ever eventually is defined as 'adult' here, perhaps increased warning of potentially alarming content.

2. ensure that ALL material that is so defined as Adult Oriented, is TAGGED ( the insertion of a code or hidden script is surely possible).

3. With the tagged material, design a filter on the GUI that enables the Avatar to toggle ON/OFF or rated, giving them the choice, whether to see the material or not, or for that mater become involved in the role-play etc or not. It should be down to them. Not some, spectral authority.

It would in my opinion be foolish and un-necessary to create a Red-Light Zone. This is supposed to be a Metaverse where we need not conform to the Real World conformism that is already over bearing. By Ghettoizing the activity, it would merely make those areas groan under the burden of those seeking the prurient nonsense out whilst making ghost towns of other zones.

Whilst Blogs are useful, it would be better to move to some form of Avatar representation, as espoused by some in SL. We need to have our rights met not be dictated to.

I am heartened by the promise made by Blondin Linden in the previuos set of threads that those who must relocate will not be forced to pay to do so. I know I'm going to have to move my small business because its selling my products simply wont work other than in an area where adult themes are permitted.. I cant even show pictures of most of the products without crossing that line and forget about having any demo models rezzed, because even clothed what would happen when the items were in use would be adult in nature. All my successful outlets are on private estates rated mature and my little mainland parcel is not exactly premium land and sorely underdeveloped but simply in order to preserve the value of cash I spent buying it I now have to make sure I do develop it and place a store there, if only to ensure that it IS included in the relocation process which I now regard as inevitable in spite of anything that may be argued otherwise here.

I am more concerned by the lack of clarification from any Lindens regarding the details of how this might apply to private estates. If flagging applies to entire regions as has been speculated here then the estate owners from whom I rent will have a very hard time of it - I can see them having to segregate their enormous estate in the same way that LL is doing with the mainland and they do not have anything like the same resources that LL do to accomplish this. Wandering round the many regions of the commercial zone that hosts my main store I see a mix of businesses, some adult and some not, along with a sprinkling of clubs where those that employ some aspect of the adult trade clearly make up a much higher proportion of the clubs than they do of the total businesses. So the fears about the consequences of adult businesses being crammed into laggy sims are MUCH more serious on an estate, even one the size of Azure.

To any Lindens still reading this I offer this suggestion on behalf of all the estate owners out there who are supported by tenants like myself:
Whatever the reasoning behind it, it is clear that you have decided you have no choice but to segregate mainland sims into "PG" "Mature" and "Adult". Give private regions another option, of "Unrestricted" that wont appear on the mainland, where LL takes no role in flagging content at all and a checkbox in the viewer to prevent entering such a region if the user so wishes.

Yes I agree, I will always buy Mature land in preference to PG, for no other reason than I can use it as I like, however I don't create anything, that I would consider as adult content, although I have made sex beds and couches in the past, my wife has just completed a set of fully detailed skins which we intend to market in a few Mature mainland sims.
I believe all of our products are still permitted in the Mature Sims from my understanding of the Lindens idea of what constitutes as adult.



Yes people do enjoy more freedom to a degree, however I still believe LL are right to move sex clubs and other so called explicit material to a seperate continent.
This has nothing to do with my being prudish, or thought of the explicit material upsetting people who may come accross it.

It's more OK but not in my back yard thanks.

To explain my reasons are purely motivated by the affect these places often have within the surrounding sim, although I am not offended by explicit material, I would hate to have some sex club with shouting greeters sat next to my land again in a mature sim.
Yes I know this is already not allowed, but in the past I have been unfortunate enough to buy land near a place that operated in this way, I did file an abuse report and as usual nothing really happened, my complaints were ignored.

I have also came accross cheap plots of land, where the reason has been some tacky orgy box located nearby.

I have also seen some amazing builds with sexual fantasy as a theme, where every attempt has been made to blend in with the surroundings, so I know already that not all adult places are tacky.

I found a very interesting place near apollo gardens when exploring a while back, for anyone interested, can't remember the exact name of the place.

My point is, by allowing adult fantasy themed areas to exist within second life on their own continent, the lindens are not really restricting the freedom that exists on the platform as a whole, they are if anything saying we accept this is what a number of our users wish to use second life for and providing a seperate place for such activity to continue.
LL can expand this new continent as required if more space is needed.

Mature sims should remain quite similar with only a few businesses or clubs, being affected.

I think all this discussion is pointless. It seems like LL always does this. They decide on a policy, then put up a forum to "listen to our concerns" and "share our feedback and ideas", and then just go ahead and implement their crap policy anyway with very few if any changes, ideas, or concerns addressed. It's just an exercise to let us all blow off steam. M Linden was making allusions to "cleaning up" SL in his address at SLCC last year, so this has been coming for awhile.

This account is an alt I created after an unfortunate experience with someone who turned out to be an RL client of the company where I work. My anonymity is important to me and as it turns out, to my rl safety. While I still use my original account from time to time, I mostly log into SL with this one.

As soon as I have to provide ANY personal information in order to use this account, I am gone.

And, I really do mean that, not just an empty threat where I say I'm going to quit but stay on anyway.

Come on, whilst I do understand and consider the feelings of Landowners, remember it is VIRTUAL, it is just 1s and 0s, server space that you rent or buy. It is not physical. By far the best solution is to allow Avatars that is users to decide. Don't Sanitize and Ghettoize.

It is only 1's and 0's but it still costs very real money, there are very few people in the real world will ever achieve what they can build here, and for many, reguardless of the wrongs and rights of my next statement, for some its more important.


and linden labs changes just incase Mr sony might come along and invest in a few sims and dosn't want to see a prim cock is insulting to the user base, that invested in this place year in year out. it carries on like this and it will be renamed Quaker Life..

Rather than do all the crazy shenanigans that LL has proposed, why not set up a new continent where everything must be harmless, where nothing can offend, and see whether anyone goes there?

If the idea of segregation is as wonderful as LL thinks it is, the harmless continent would soon be full.

Maybe I missed it, but is there some reason to assume that "moving" to the porn ghetto continent will be free of cost? My assumption is that a date will be set after which existing offensive mainland content will be unavailable (eg. content deleted so that it can't be re-rezzed on the regular mainland, or maybe account suspensions or some other punishment), and that owners who want to "move" will be forced to purchase all new porno-land. (Prior to that flag day, they were supposed to have already bought their new land and moved.) They can recoup their costs by selling their now-cleaned mainland if they want. This is good for the owner because they benefit from having their content on the appropriate content. This is good for residents because they have sanitized mainland as their default experience. This is good for LL because it's a considerable blip up in land purchases and tier. Or just how will this all go down?

Yes, they did say that it would be free in one of the other threads.

I'd like to know how the Lindens plan to police the "adult" (heh) content being broadcast over voice.

In a PG sim, at a so-called "welcome" area (what is it, Ahern?) I've heard things said over voice that I can't print here or else I'd get banned. So how are we going to clean that one up, hmmmm?

Has anyone even thought about that? What's going to happen when some random resident gets bored and wants some attention, so she cues up her mic and treats the whole (PG) region to a porn soundtrack?

Not to mention that half the people at the PG welcome center were naked and/or sporting prim genitalia and/or other "offensive" material attached to their avatars, yet nothing was done, the "violators" were not kicked or banned, and there weren't any "moderators" in sight.

I tell you, this entire clusterf$%&@ of a policy is unwieldy, impractical, and unenforcable, and will go ignored in the long run by both residents and authority figures, just like every other half-brained attempt at "keeping the wee ones away from the naughty bits" to date.

How do people find these places in the first place , why they search them out then TP to them . What difference does it make if they create a red light district ? It will make no difference at all in how people find and then TP to these places . All this will do is mess with the people that already own land and have already invested good money in creating there own little spot in the SL world . What will happen to the land market when everyone puts there land up for sale in order to relocate to the adult deemed zones ? Does SL not already zone there land PG or mature ? Will SL actually try and tell people what they can and can not do with the land they own and pay a monthly teir on , or what they can and can not display in there own little section of SL ? This is plain silly . I live in a mature zoned plot and I will do , display , and conduct my business in accordance with living and paying for my mature plot . If some one wants to avoid mature content then they should educate them selves with the difference between mature and PG and stick to the sims that are in accordance with what they feel comfortable with . If these changes are brought in then how will they compensate all of us that own land in a mature sim , because thats what they will have to do as I bought in a mature plot so as not to have any restrictions on what I want to do .

How will SL deal with the crashing land market ? How will SL deal with all the people that invest and make money off the land market ? How will they compensate all of us that bought land in a mature plot to avoid these very restrictive issues ?

It seems very evident that we the common people of SL need a unified voice in the decision making and cant simply be dictated to . The more people and more money that we the common people spend on SL seems to be taken for granted , we need a voice . Perhaps a 1 day organized boycott could be a good example to SL that we are not happy with how they dictate to us there planed changes . This is a game but is driven by money and we need a voice , not just on this issue but on all planed changes to our investment that is called second life .

If this change is brought in then I fully expect some form of compensation for being mislead when I bought my mature plot and I would be very interested in hearing what they plan to do about the inevitable land market crash that will surly follow .

Blondin Linden has said that you won't have to pay to move to the brave new world.

The verification process is the restriction!
SL Platform caters for a world wide audience not just the 35% from the U.S.!! In some countries, providing personal details like driving license, passport,insurance numbers is a big No No! In other countries SL citizens have real issues registering their Credit Cards with their SL account......and lastly a large amount of people simply don't want to register any of their details to LL website for whatever personal reasons!

How can it not cost us ? will they take the plot that I currently own and trade it for the same size in the new adult zone ? Do they plan to offer there deal , what ever it may be to all who own in a mature plot ?

......but 1's and 0's that a lot of people have LOST a ton of real USD's over....and not just the Open Space sims fiasco, well before that even!

On your first question, yes that is EXACTLY what they said, a meter for meter swap arranged with no requirement to cover tier on both parcels simultaneously at any time. On whos going to be offered this deal no word yet on how they plan to sort that out.

What happens to plot owners with "Adult Content" that are residing on Bay City or Nauticulus regions.....you know the ones that spent 100k plus at your auctions?

Is that more carnage of acceptable losses that Citizens have to bare?