Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

I was saying that no one can hide as the other sex. No one being tricked in a "relationship".

IDV is an internal mechanism if I understand it correctly. All another resident will see is that you are verified as an adult, nothing about gender or any other personal information. Plus LL has said that having payment info on file will suffice for verification, although I don't know how.

If a person wants to access adult content, they will need to verify age.

Right, "houses" in SL is a slippery word since RL building considerations do not apply.


I would certainly hope so since there are a lot of kid furries!

How will living in Europe keep them from accessing Adult content?

I stand corrected

One thing that has dawned on me, not just this thread, but all threads in "SL Forums"....there is a distinct lack of activity from the 60% of the SL population that originate from the non-English speaking countries. Wouldn't surprise me if only 2-4% (Using LL type researched figures! ) of posts on these forums are written by folk from those countries.

Might not mean anything....but many come from more liberal societies that have a different perspective or slant regarding "Adult Content".

I spoke to a German female DJ only a few hours back...i asked her have you heard about the impending changes that LL are going to introduce regarding Adult Content? She replied "No"........so i posted her the link to the original blog and told her to better spread the gospel amongst her German folk! My take, there would be general uproar in the SL community if everyone knew.....it's surprising how so many lead their SL lives without a care in the world and totally unaware of what is being played out behind the scenes.

So change it, everything is changing, why should those who create adult content (not me btw I just write wee scripts and try and sell enough land to pay tier) be treated differently. If they are to be pushed out of search and hidden geographically they should have their own showcase, everyone should be treated equally, they pay the same tier, they answer to the same TOS so why shouldn't they have their own area of the website or indeed any less opportunity than any other merchant? They should probably have "RonJeremy Linden" available to them for office hours and to discuss their needs especially in the difficult time they have been thrown into with moving, losing a significant percentage of their customer base while verifiers catch up and having to completely re-work their marketing strategies.

My concern here is business in Second Life, the L$ flow through many hands and if that's through the manky hands of someone paying a "dancer" who pays commission to the club whose owner buys land from me then I don't want things being cut off at source. This is about more than porn. If we believe the figures touted people spent $360 million (USD) in second life last year and 5% of that is Adult content related then we're talking about an $18 million dollar a year industry and I dare say a significant portion of that is re-invested in-world, people buying shoes, hair, houses, land - this is why it affects everyone.

According to Linden Lab figures - Adult industry in SL worth $18 Million last year.


Sources

Interview with Mark Kingdon

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hHXGgsClglmLWwN2hCXGS-fqYwqQ


Interview with Marty Roberts

http://www.informationweek.com/news/personal_tech/virtualworlds/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=215900011&pgno=1&queryText=&isPrev=

Well, I guess that kinda contradicts your previous statement: "Those who wish to access adult content and those who create it will still be able to do so."

If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
Please Lindens, you have created something wonderful that we all love and cherish. Don't destroy it, don't segregate grown ups just because one is of a different opinion than the other. That's not freedom, that's not fun, that's not adults finally finding an online place to call home. That's a witch hunt, and i can't believe you would actually go through with it.

New question. If a couple have a bed with "adult animations" on their land or rented land, will they need to remove it or move? Even if the only way to see it is to cam spy?

Since we officially announce things on the blog - how do you think we can get more SL users to read it? There are a lot of localization attempts (ie, the new French SL web page) but I agree that there are a lot of people who do not read the blogs / forums / knowledge base articles.

A notice on the login window of the client may be of use.

Put the announcement on the login page with links to the blogs. "Adult Content to be Restricted". That should get this blog heated up good. Maybe put a poll question there. Do you favor restricting Adult Content within SL? Would be interesting to see the results.

If there is going to be some inworld community consultation, can we have some scheduled at a time that is friendly to people outside the USA? Friday afternoons work best for me in Australia because it's Saturday morning.

Yep, you're talking about the overwhelming majority of your user base!
Maybe it needs a blue box ingame (like the ones when there are grid wide problems, asking people to read the official blog as it might effect their SL experience)

I mean verification is quite a big deal for all of its userbase to know about....don't you think?

Am I alowed to ask a question to a Linden here?

What is Your motivation in doing this?

Is the ESRB threatening a mature rating or something along those lines?

I think if we knew Your motivation, we may be more willing to go along with the idea.

Europeans are forbidden by law to give you the data you require. So they cannot age-verify. Ergo, they cannot access adult content, even if they themselves created said content.

Imagine a world where you cannot access your own parcel because you cannot age verify across the pond. That world is coming, along with all the rest of the serious problems I have already spelled out for you people again and again and again.

Having a sex bed in a residence is not considered Adult. If the theme or content is centered around sex, then it crosses the line between mature and adult.

A short and descriptive sentence as the logon/teleport message would be one way. Just please don't hide it with some clever spin like the "more predictable" word game, but make it clear that what could arguably end up as a major policy change about day-to-day behaviour is about to go down.

throwing my 2 cents in here to help try to get some answers AND keep the forum ON TOPIC! ahem *coughs

After gaining a good headache trying to figure this all out, the quote that stands out the most is ".. only 2-4% of SL is adult oriented".... yet I can cam Anywhere and see a sex menu'd item in 99% of maninland areas, sexually graphic material in a good 80% of mainland areas, and all on both Mature and PG sims. So, now we're going to have an auto-anti-rez script to prevent people from rezzing "adult" oriented items too? yikes -- Hello Big Brother

I run a SL Brothel, have for 2+ years now, on 1/2 of a sim, Mature mainland. It doesn't buy me a BMW RL, but it keeps people Busy on SL, it's entertainment, and Seriously generates revenue grid wide with the exchange of daily Lindens alone. Ontop of that, I sell both PG and Mature items located across the grid to assist paying my SL taxes.

We do Everything we can to prevent underage and freaky-borderline avatars from entering the parcel. When caught, I or my employee's simply remove them. My Ads, classifieds, and parcels are all listed Mature.

I've played by the "rules" for years now and have also done untold amounts of other things to keep the the business Legit and Legal both SL and RL. I've personally spent L$100,000's on sex menu'd items to equip my business, and More in SL marketing.

Yet to sum things up, LL is now telling me: A) I have to only allow Age Verified accts B) I have to relocate my Entire operation to somewhere 'they' feel is more appropriate, and C) Classify everything I sell -- service or product -- "Adult" because it may reside on the same parcel.
(I could so go into the many multiple implications on all these, but might just let my lawyer handle it)

ALL of which are a total joke and slap in the face for paying my premium fee's and tier for all these friggen years!

NO I don't want to be forced into moving nextdoor to a competitor, who does?
NO I don't want to spend the next 3 months re-doing Everything I've created.
NO I better NOT have to pay for relocation, difference in tier, or buy/selling of current land.
and NO I do not think it's fair to lose 80% of traffic because LL wants it's Age Verficiation system busier.
(for those who Remember, LL was Hacked and All personal info stolen few years back... yeah, that's a comfort huh?)

Granted I'm just skimming over this new process & subjects, and it's not set in Stone as yet. I have every reason to fear a migraine trying to please this Disneyland fantasy that Doesn't exist! I don't understand where LL gets it's numbers, but mainland and Private are Majorily Adult now!!! HELLO!!!

You mean the Message of the Day? Should that be a constant or only when BIG news is announced?

Sorry, forgot to put your quote on it. Yes, what about the main login screen with links to this blog. I think the poll is a good idea too. What do you think, Blondin?