Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

You're spot on Kara. The fact is that all this nonsense is about the reality that individuals are demanding compliance with their individual anxieties, ethics, or just plain screwy perceptions of the world, RL or SL. The only complexity in all this is, what is the problem!?

There are a bunch of content providers that have "NPIOF"...the sales subsidise the land costs with a bit of play money on top. Alternatively they could have had a Paypal a/c linked to SLEX and cashed out that way...as opposed to linking one to SL a/c

Agreed. What is needed is a clear set of policies that prevents Abuse Reports from being used as a weapon against people just minding their own lives. Since part of the abuse report is the location, there already is some degree of control. Perhaps requiring screenshot as well as location?

(Though I imaging a great number of those AR's just go to the recycle bin anyways)

Privacy has nothing to do with "orbs" or anything else. There ain't no such thing as privacy in SL if you own less than an estate, and too much of the stuff people do to try and pretend they have privacy is just plain rude.

LOL!

ITA re plans to merge tten grid - I've seen no denials which IMO would end any speculation so feel confident that this is a part of the overall strategy.

We are taken for idiots by being expected to accept that the proposed scheme is not devised for the sole purpose of driving adult content from the grid by separating adult businesses from their no PIOF and non-age verified customer base. We then behave like idiots in seeking to rationalise proposed scheme by accepting the false premise that it is being imposed to give us more choice and in our best interests. Ho hum.

So theriotically i could have a sky home full of risque toys armed to hilt...as its on my land which happens to be 1/2 sim big and the rest of the residential sim are my residents anyway.........I could then easily create a Group for SL'ers regardless of their verification status who could become regular users of said equipment. Everyone in that group benefits, everyone keeps stumm, everyone is happy.......and LL is none the wiser, whats going down under their noses.

Thats what you'll end up doing.....driving sex trade underground, just like in RL in some countries.

Same with content....Adult content creators could make more products with "Transfer" permissions. Verified users could arrive into "Adult World" purchase sex attachments, bdms racks & benches,sex animations, porno stufff etc etc....come back to "Disneyland" and offload those products to their non-verified bredwin....thus creating a "Black market" economy

I pressed Blondin during the office hour and got this:

[16:07] Tali Rosca: Ok, a topic which comes up ever so often during the discussions: Opening SL to all ages? Some Linden say there are no such plans, yet Philip is on record saying he wants it. How does that jive?
[16:08] Blondin Linden: [16:07] Tali Rosca: Ok, a topic which comes up ever so often during the discussions: Opening SL to all ages? Some Linden say there are no such plans, yet Philip is on record saying he wants it. How does that jive? ANSWER - there are no plans to do anything with the teen grid. It's staying where it is
[16:09] Tali Rosca: No. But are there plans to allow teens on the main grid?
[16:09] Tali Rosca: (Irrespective of keeping the teen grid alive as-is, as a protected sandbox)
[16:10] Blondin Linden: [16:09] Tali Rosca: No. But are there plans to allow teens on the main grid? ANSWER
[16:10] Blondin Linden: NO
[16:10] Blondin Linden: LET ME SAY THAT 2X - NO
[16:10] Tali Rosca: Ok. That's actually the first time anybody has said that Every answer so far has sounded like a word game. Much appreciated.

How that stacks up against any future plans of Philip's, I obviously do not know, but, well, there you have a flat out, explicit denial from Blondin Linden at least.

Sounds like there might be gainful employment to be had as a courier for adult businesses. A no PIOF/ non-age verified resident makes his selection (for his own private use of course) via XStreet (no sign up required to access that site and its mature content) IMs one of the couriers listed in the advert on XStreet and the product is then transferred via that courier in-world. Simple.

So why doesn't he just say it here? Sheesh.. Are they trying to annoy residents??

I am tired of catering to the do-gooder whiner who wants the world to revolve around them. I am sick of having to pander to the person who is offended by a comment/visual/whatever that is made off the wall and not meant to be derogatory. I am angry that I'm being told that I'm not good enough to interact with the "majority" and I have to take my personal business elsewhere and away from eyes that VOLUNTARILY pry.

I didn't ask to be relocated to a virtual representation of Sodom or Gamorrah. Yes, I practice extreme sexual/violent roleplay, only because I can. Would I do even half of this stuff in RL? Hell no, that's dangerous and puts my life in danger. I do it in SL because, gee, I'm not getting hurt in there. It's all just pixels. I can let my imagination fly and explore areas I daren't in RL. Oh, no, wait...after the 27th, I can't. I have to narrow it to ONE area then. I have to shuffle off with the rest of the outcasts because some politically correct moron gets to have their way. Do we get to take special showers next?

If this change is enforced, then I think that's pretty much it for me. I thrived in being able to go where I wished, interact with whom I wished and however I wished, or just meandering off to a PG sim where it's quieter and I can be left alone. I fully respect the PG boundaries and don't have a problem with it. Yet I'm not going to receive the same respect.

People can wander into stuff that may disgust them because they aren't "warned" that it's going to occur. They have the choice to tp out. People can cam in to an area and see things that will offend them. They have the choice to reset their camera and look elsewhere. If you don't like what you see, hey there's plenty of other stuff to see, just move along.

But no, LL is bowing to the shouts of the minority and ignoring to the protests of the majority. In the thread that got locked down and in this one, I see very few defending the people who are the reason this crap is being emplemented, and yet it's still going to go forth despite the voice of the many rising in challenge to the voices of the few. I'm sick and tired of bowing to political correctness. It's stupid, it's idiotic, and it's demeaning. I'm all for being respectful, but when you try to cater to the most immature jerk in the world just because he throws money your way, then fine. LL can go sit and spin, I'll be long gone if this keeps going, and I'll just interact with the other outcasts through another venue...one that won't discriminate against me and my tastes in a VIRTUAL world.

Except where used as the approved access list for an entirely non-Public Private Island, Group access only restricts access for the first 50M above ground level. Like general bans, it's been so badly nerfed to comply with the wishes of fliers who INSIST on their right to fly over any and all parcels where they are not banned by name, that group access and general bans are worthless.

A non-public sim or Estate which is not touching any other sim or estate can limit sim-wide access to a list of individuals and a list of groups, and in that case, no stranger can access the entire sim.

Actually, most no PIOF accounts contribute very little to the adult business owners profits (the ones I've talked to, anyways) aside for being campers or billboards and the occasional purchase/tip that rarely exceeds 100L, NPIOFs don't do that much. The exception is if its an alt to someone that does have PIOF...and in that case its easy enough for them to verify.

No, Blondin said that those FORCED to move wouldn't have to pay. Anyone who CHOOSES to go there, rather than remaining in the sanitized wastelands of suburbia, will likely have to pay through the nose.

You can liken it to the ridiculous overuse of warning labels on everything we use in RL.
"Warning, do not iron clothes while wearing " Or on contraceptives: "Not to be used by women who are pregnant or wish to become pregnant". And when we do, we run for a lawyer when stuff goes wrong. We don't want to think for ourselves, we want the nanny state to do it.

There are several non-published "forbidden pairs of words", which if they occur in a post, with word A followed by word B, no matter how many words are between them, The whole post is rejected because it *MIGHT* be an attempt to use a hacker trick to push inappropriate content. The word Update is particularly sensitive.

Blondin did well at his office hour but he couldn't answer all our concerns obviously and it's clear that Linden Lab aren't ready to roll out these changes.

I still don't see how this addresses the concerns of those who object to seeing adult content. That has been the motivation behind this and it falls way short. If you're neighbours are SL nymphos or swingers, there's gonna be plenty of adult content going on.

Estate owners are still left dangling in the wind over whether they'll need to flag their whole estate, a particular island or one parcel that has adult content, this needs to be resolved quickly because the implications are huge.

No good reason has been given why a no adult content continent can't be created. If people want a predictable experience, then it's going to be more predictable there.

The community standards already cover some of the objections, they aren't being enforced, so what makes anyone think they'll be enforced a month or two after the great mass migration to Pornoville?

In some ways this policy is not firm enough, there are too many grey areas. Provide people with a safe zone, I'm still in favour of the XXX continent, but let people move their voluntarily, it allows everything to grow organically. Forced relocation is not about enhancing choice.

Great. Wonder how that will work out when only about 1/5th of my land is adult..

Speaking of which, you think this dustup has pushed the "New Forum" off the radar?

That's really not true. Most people new to SL are going to be NPOF and they're not going to give LL their credit card info until they have some reason to.

If I was new and LL told me that I couldn't even see anything naughty until I gave them at least a credit card, I'd be looking for the door pretty quickly.

Human beings can be very resourceful when the chips are down!
This is a "Black market" economy waiting to happen!

"psst...hey kid, you want to buy a sexgen?"

I think this is the most bone headed idea linden labs has ever come up with. I don't own an adult business. I don't go to adult sites. However I find it offensive that the prudes who came up with this idea are going to jeapordize the business interests of those who do. First was the raise of tier fees, Now this. Why don't you concentrate on making Second Life more stable instead of changing the rules on people who have invested their time and money.

This is exactly where we are - A PG store on one parcel, Adult content / activities on the largest parcel.

So what do we flag? The entire sim or just a parcel? If its the entire sim then we have a problem.