Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Often people who will be forced to move have something else on the same sim that people enjoy that is non-adult. Guess what, those places will most likely disappear when the owners move, tier down, or leave.

Gee, thanks LL. I have been puring my time and energy into building up a non-adult area for more than a year that is on land owned by a domme content creator. Now it goes bye-bye when nothing adult took place on that land? Thanks, thanks a lot.

I mentioned this scenario in one of the other threads. I don't know if it got noticed or answered when the thread got severely disrupted over the weekend, so I'll reiterate it here:

I live on a private island estate. The island is currently flagged as Mature. On the island, about 500 meters up, is a strip club.

With the current idea being bandied about, the presence of the club would require the entire island to be flagged as Adult.

I have, living with me on this island, a five-year-old female avatar (meaning, another adult playing a 5-year-old, whom I adopted). Her presence on the island is currently acceptable because there are no sexual items of any kind on any publicly-accessible part of the island. No "adult" activities happen "out in the open". She also knows she is not allowed up at the club at any time.

Now, because she's playing a child avatar, the owner of this avatar may or may not age-verify based on it being a child avatar. In fact, it makes no sense to age-verify a child avatar, as doing so would likely open her up to challenges, as the "only" reason for age-verification under this plan is to access adult content - something a child avatar clearly should NOT do.

BUT... In order to continue living with me on this island, which has an out-of-the-way adult venue, she will be forced to either age-verify (and take the flak for it), or leave the game, as she will be pretty much unadoptable.

Your plan, as it is currently stated, will have the effect of ripping apart "nuclear" families within SL, as most residential estates have a an adult club or other adult venue somewhere within the estate - even if thousands of meters up, and many such families live on such estates. Further, in order to preserve such family relationships in-world, child avatars will be put in the position of being forced to register for access to adult content, aka. age-verify.

Have your plans taken this into account? If so, then how will this scenario be addressed?

They have stated that LGBT (and I presume intersexed too) groups would not be affected. Although I indicated otherwise in my last post since the transgender lounge is owned by someone who will probably have to move (and we are probably not the only case where someone in our communities happens to be involved in adult activity).

Geographical relocation:
Hell no. It took me ages to find a suitable Mature simulator for my store with a nice affordable area of water to build upon. I'll happily enable adult-only access if I feel the feature is designed to my satisfaction (which I doubt it will be, the current attempt is a disgrace).

If you want to add a new level for people who want to swear but not see tits, then do-so, mature means mature, make the people who are in mature sims for no reason move.

I coexist with my neighbours in a mature region happily, my building is tasteful with no overtly sexual or "adult" themes visible from the outside, or on the large ground-floor area. If someone wants to see adult areas they have to travel up to higher floors via the teleporters or elevator, both of which have clearly marked that areas are adult. The building I hope is not in any-way an eyesore, as I designed it to look good rising out of the water. Nobody has ever complained about the way it looks, or what's contained within.

Adult-only areas
A parcel setting is useless, not only was it implemented pathetically (does it even work yet?), it is completely wrong. My store has PG content on the ground-floor, and adult content on the upper-floors, I want a way to vertically restrict access to my store in that way as I can't afford more land-area, nor should I have to as it would ruin my store's structure. I want a flexible 3D system of defining the areas that are and are-not adult in nature, so while you're at it implement this JIRA (it's long overdue):
https://jira.secondlife.com/browse/SVC-99

Another half-assed attempt at a failure of a solution will not cut-it, and will only encourage people to ignore the process entirely. We need decent flagging controls.

Account Verification for Accessing Adult Content
And how are any of these verification ideas going to be better or worse than the current crappy identity verification? If this isn't easy-to-use and accessible from in-world, then again, people won't use adult parcel settings, as we've already seen.

Right back near the start I mentioned emails I had received that told me to Age verify or lose my accounts (and land).
Since then there has been some interesting developments. All Linden owned land around my sim and the surrounding sims now require one to have Adult verification to access. So the linden land right next to one of my parcels which i have walked on, flown over, etc has suddenly become out of bounds.

Hmmm......the beginnings of the porn ghetto region.
Our land forcibly acquired maybe?

Even this will fail badly if LL doesn't address some very critical problems with their infrastructure.

I age-verified a long time ago under Aristotle, so I'm not to worried about how this will affect me in particular. However, last week I also went ahead and put payment info on file. To this day, I am still showing as NPIOF in-world, even though my account page clearly shows otherwise.

Their systems are broken in very fundamental ways, and will need to be fixed, or else "Ursula" will be off-limits for a god-awful lot of people!

Yes my personal taste is unlikely to match your personal taste and that of any LL employee.

So for me Builds that took very little thought pink boxes or boxes of any colour rate as tacky, shouters tacky.

Urban style sex city not to my taste but required some degree of effort to build and design, so should be given prefference to move, colocated with other urban style sex cities, think adult bay city, might work.

Gorean I don't count as adult content myself more mature roleplay, perhaps LL should state whether this is in line with their own views.

Sex gardens tastfull more pleasant to look at for me etc. etc.



LOL Maybe on reflection LL should abandon the adult themed new continent idea and just create a new tacky box build continent. It would work for me

I know that lol but i would like to know where these laws are stated as it seems they are talked about a lot but so far i have not seen a reference to them It makes sense the people that know about them will be able to point a reference to them as it interests me but i havent got time to search them out lol

All this is like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted and i wish that CC verification etc when u signed up had never been done away with when the free account door was opened and u could sign up with throwaway email accounts.

I run adult content in SL and while its a pain to be happening i think in the end as always it will work itself out as some will change, some will adapt and some will just fade away but SL will continue to evolve as new folks come in not knowing what it was like before them

Since they are BOTH the exceptions in this case, what is fair for one, is fair for the other. Please answer the question as to why you have chosen Adult residents/content over PG residents/content for this move?

Would it not be easier to define what falls within PG?

Because it flies right in the face of any logic behind age-verification.

Think about it: What is the purpose behind age-verifying a group made up of nobody but adults? To drive out whatever underaged kids made it onto the adult grid? Well, okay, but how about stopping that problem at the source, during account creation?

Age-verifying a purely-adult populate makes zero sense, any way you slice it.

That just means "it's not going to happen soon". That doesn't mean "it's not going to happen ever" and MOST ESPECIALLY it doesn't mean "they're not going to make decisions based on their long term goals of merging the grids". When they make changes that promote these long term goals, it is naive to assume these goals did not have a part in their decision-making process.

That doesn't mean the goal of bringing minors into the main grid was not a motivation. There's very few decisions that only have one reason, and so long as they can point to a different and less controversial one, of course they're going to.

I vote for THIS to be the name of our new "adult" area!

When I joined, you couldn't see anything without at least a credit card, and that didn't stop me. I've got all kinds of ideas how SL should go back to that model without causing massive disruption, but this is probably not the thread for it.

It seems to me that the movement of all adult content to Linden Land will do a couple things, one, I would think, an intended consequence. The second perhaps an unintended one.

With all "adult" commerce moving to the mainland, this will further lessen the demand for Estate land, driving prices lower on estates, and higher on Linden land. This would seem to be an intended consequence. When will Estate owners find stability? Following the Homestead/Open Space debacle, the confusion that ensued greatly affected the demand for land. Now, with this, the demand will be reduced immediately by another percentage, whether it be 5 to 10 per cent, it will greatly decrease demand. And hence prices, and ultimately profitability. This has been a year to remember for confusion. Confusion and more confusion. Land prices, and SL attractiveness requires a stable and understandable environment....not a constantly changing platform.

The second consequence? Will we be seeing all the demonstrators, griefers and flag wavers again? This time protesting their "adult" rights? Can we put this to a vote of the community? And let us decide our own fate? And, of course, all the confusion that will come with that? Didn't we learn from the Homestead controversy? What would be wrong with introducing a vote?

Ozzie Drucker

ORLY? Maybe they need to take another look at Gigs Taggart's suggestion in SVC-205.

It's like the Eskimo words for snow. "In English, there are 37 words for porn".

My apologies. I've just spent the last day and a half trying to get caught up in this thread, so hadn't reached the referenced post before I had need to post mine.

In fact, I opened the office hour with exactly this question; why this brute-force continent split was being chosen, rather than working on any of the number of suggestions and feature requests about privacy, zoning and themed communities.

[15:36] Tali Rosca: It seems a very brute-force way to do this two-way split, rather than work on some of the Jira suggestions for actually "letting residents control their experience". Why *this* version of a solution?
[15:37] Blondin Linden: the idea behind a continent comes from the question of how do we keep unverified users away with the abilities of cam controls
[15:37] Tapple Gao: is teeen second life not enough of a solution?
[15:37] Blondin Linden: any answer would have to take this into account
[15:38] Blondin Linden: no because there are many teens already in SL
[15:38] Blondin Linden: on the maingrid

Of course it does, they said that many times already.

One point not touched so far is all those people who have bought mature land on the mainland. Although they wont be forced to move unless they have a commerical property, Mature land will now be worth LESS money.

As PG sims are now cheaper then Mature sims due to the limitations on PG sims.

Now Mature sims are going to be second class sims and Adult sims are going to be worth more. That means that the many THOUSANDS of people who invested in Mature mainland sims, who assumed that "Mature=Adult" now have land worth alot less money when the new super-mature sims go up for sale.

hmmm

not good business IMO

Why would both parts have to move in these instances, the non adult area can stay as is and provide a link with warning to the new adult area.

I assume by Domme content you mean clothes or furniture, will these even be considered of an adult nature?

Athough the furniture will probably clearly show its intended purpose for use, it is an inanimate object, which could no doubt be place inside private homes throughout the mainland, does furniture like that class as adult content? Similarly with clothes and other accessories when not in use do they count as adult content?

My view of adult content is possibly a bit more broad minded than some, but I would consider the use of rl explicit porno video and pictures, and scenes inacting explicit acts to constitute adult material only.

ie. is a rubber costume offensive to prudes by its mere existance or only when worn by someone acting in set way.
Is a wooden chair with built in restraints considered to be adult content in its own right to some people or does it become adult when in use?

I think you're missing something. Estates will not have to move, they can set themselves "adult only".

And SVC-205 would do that. And solve so many OTHER problems in SL.

Blondin: have you looked at the actual suggestions?

By the way, will there be an "official" transcript of the office hour? Otherwise, I can post my log. I assume that office hours are by nature public, so I don't need explicit permissions from the involved.

There are various hacks involving throwing maps at people or making them open the chat window and click on a link, but these are not "in world". They break the narrative flow of the game. SL needs llTeleportAgent to really support non-contiguous geometries.