Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Got to say it,

My Mistress is completely to blame for this.

She knows how i get when i read these descussions. She never shgould have got me reading them.

Laughs

Hmmm...what about that naughty little skybox we have up in the sky over the house. I suppose the fact that we pay 300USD for a private sim monthly does not afford us the opportunity to do on it what we choose. So now I am wondering if we have to relocate our entire sim to your newly created red light district or should we just get in line to 'rent' a little 4096 to put the naughty little skybox on.

Shakes head and taps on the monitor...are there any adults left in here???

Yes hun because you need payment info to get money out of sl.

I was refering to the customers that buy the goods, rent plots, etc.

How many of those shop owners rely on a large portion of their income from customers with no payment info on file. How many will go out of business. How many spots will be empty.

How many sim donations will you loose. Hopw many ad signs will not be rented etc.

I presume you mean that they are buying their Lindens on XStreetSL? Or are you talking about something different?

Well, either way, I stand corrected, then.... thanks "hun".

I honestly do not know but we will continue and weather it out until it either burns out totally or picks back up. But whatever happens we will adapt our business model here and keep going

Deltango, that is a fantastic, well thought-out post! What you say makes a ton of sense to me. Thanks. I agree that if this is done by working WITH the adult business owners, they could turn this into something that is an overall positive for everyone once the dust clears.

Adult businesses are a major revenue generator in SL - many people do come into to SL for that reason and stay because of other things. That fact shouldn't be ignored.

Private estates don't have to move. If they contain Adult content, they will have to either remove it or flag the sim as Adult...and thus limit access to Verified accounts.

I wonder how many Private Estate owners will choose not to verify, and sell their land instead?

It's for LL to answer, but the guilotine I would guess is fine, the basket of heads well I guess thats dependant on the quality of the texture, The animation changes the scene but then did you create the scene or did the avatar who activated the animation?



Thats what blondin said.



Again its whether you are responsible for creating the scene or the avatar who activates it I would guess, if a texture shows the items being used its down to the graphic nature of the pictures, just as in rl, I can watch a pg movie with a sex scene implied behind a frosted window or I can watch porn and watch everything in high detail close up and personal, lindens need to adequately detail what is acceptable and not.



Yes but tthey have entered his private domain it is not a public shop actively trying to bring in customers to sell their items.



Yes they have changed something, they have moved the public sex clubs to a specialised area, one which is likely to be bustling with activity once fully set up and running.

Yes of course it will go on we are supposed to be all consenting adults living in either PG or mature sims, my home in SL is my private domain.
If someone walks in on my tiny mole av shoving my snout some where I shouldn't then they deserve to be offended by my actions.

not that I often do that btw

If they set it up in a sandbox then it is not going to be a problem until avatars jump on and use it, in my sandbox when I have stopped laughing I would tell them to take it away.
Once the new rule has been implemented then I guess I wouldn't spend so long laughing for fear of me being reported by someone.

Changing the terms in midstream after everyone has established themselves in SL is simply wrong and unjustifiable. A far better approach would be making a separate continent for those that are not age verified and those that wish to avoid even the possibility of adult material. That way you ensure that no unverifieds or people that frown upon adult content are offended and you protect yourselves and SL. You are going about this in a manner that can only be described as 'ass-backwards'. Make a separate PG continent, require all unverifieds remain there and give businesses and residents the option of moving THERE if they so desire.

Please make sure that avatar names are NOT passed to age-verification companies as part of the software communication during that process! A simple unique transaction code can handle any matching that may be necessary on both sides. There is NO reason for the age-verification company should ever be able to match a real person to their avatar NAME, even though the automated process should make sure that age-verification is only approved for the avatar name who is given unique transaction code.

I've recently learned that some virtual worlds are actually including avatar names in age-verification transactions, "trusting" that the verification company will not use or sell that information since their contract requires confidentiality. However, several of the top background check corporations (often affliated or owned by companies that do age-verification) are now selling avatar names and providing the real user name. And some websites now even allow interested individuals to search by avatar name and/or real name to obtain that information. This is a very disturbing trend for any normal privacy advocate.

A unique, transaction code (impossible to match with an account name except by SL) plus necessary real-life information is all that should be sent to the outside company when verifying age. It can be used to complete the automated transaction, protecting the real user's avatar name from potential outside abuse, plus can be used to follow-up on any problems that may occur in the transaction.

Anaka

Since it is the PG folks who have the problem, why not have THEM segregated and defined as PG with their areas being more strictly regulated as regards community standards etc. Seems a lot easier than defining adult content. Give them an isolated squeaky-clean environment and let everyone else continue on as we have. People who have serious issues with content can stick to their disneyworld and not regulate the rest of us. I am weary of these moral minorities' ongoing infantalization of adult majorities and outraged that they can dictate how and what the rest of us may see, do, hear or experience. Why does authority continually capitulate and pander to their incessant demands?

I might start up that sex club after all!

It sounds like the *intent* is that areas that are intended for public sexplay or the public display of erotic material will have to move, but they're trying to avoid getting bogged down in definitions of "intent".

Exactly, make something tastefull something to enjoy.
Don't auction it off though, offer parcels to existing known adult groups clubs etc.
then if there is any ground left un claimed auction that off, some areas do have urban style builds though so these would need to be catered for.
LL should be asking these groups what they want from their new continent, whilst striving to keep it a place of beauty.

They can buy Lindens many ways. Just search Lidens on the web.

Many have paypal accounts as well.

Samantha you have a point. But as a land owner who is responsible if say a tenant decides to throw an orgy on the front lawn. Or have a shoot out with friends. From what I understad it's the Landowner as well as the tenant. So that doesnt exactly encourage me to raise my teirs and run around scooping up the bargain basement rates. in fact makes me rethink the entire concept of letting out parcels.

Blondin stated in other posts they were going to go after Extreme Sex/violence. However during his office hours yesterday, it seems extreme means any "percieved" sexual act. Now by who's definition, Jerry Fallwell, Bill Clinton, "I don't consider that as sex", or Madame X dominatrix.

OK I meant LEGAL ways of buying them that won't get you banned from SL if you get found out.... as far as I knew only XStreetSL and the LIndex were the only two that would not get you banned if they found out. For those that have Paypal accounts can't they just register that with SL and get their status changed to "Payment Information On File", and thus get adult-verified? I'm pretty certain that's exactly what I did.

Look, I feel this got side-tracked. I think the only point I was trying to make is that LL made it a LOT easier for people to get "verified" because now they don't have to use the much-hated Adult Verification System that they put in place - they can go the PioF route. I certainly am not saying that people without PioF status are in any way less valuable to SL.

It doesn't fix all the issues, and I said in my original post, because there are some people (a large part of the people that work in the clubs) that do NOT have any sort of PioF status. That is going to be an issue.

Do you realize that you are going to lose a ton of customers with this? So many adults are afraid to give their credit card info, even if they are promised that the info is properly protected. Lots of them will be looking for other adult games that have adult verification requirements.

This will not just hurt Linden Labs. Every business in SL will suffer for loss of traffic.

How is my own sim supposed to survive something like this? I have my mall apart from my club, so anyone can shop there and we can still have adult fun in the club, but my mall depends on the traffic numbers generated by the club to help attract new renters. The only way I see me allowing anybody to shop in my mall and still have an adult club is to create two separate parcels. But then my mall loses the traffic numbers from the club.

Hey, what about the adult with adult groups in their profile? Are you going to block this content so that unless one is age verified they cannot look at those groups? Or classified, or picks or first life? While you're at it, perhaps you will make it so unless one is adult verified, they cannot turn off the chat filter. Oh myyyy, what about voice chat? Will you now filter that???

this is completely wrong-headed Blondin: while sexually explicit clubs, etc. might be a "minority of content inworld" sex and sexuality takes place throughout SL in homes and on private land. I repeat the point of my original post in this forum: make a separate PG continent instead and force all unverifieds there along with those businesses and residents that wish to avoid all adult content. the rest of us will go on along in SL the way it was designed to go on. jeez, what will it take to shake you folks out of your dream state and make you realize that you are perpetrating a wrong upon your customers?

You can stop right there, because those restrictions alone would make the land completely unusable by virtually ALL the sex clubs and adult businesses that they are poposing to force to move, not to mention any individuals seeking to use Adult-rated content without fear of being AR'ed by some yahoo who objects to their private fun. A sex club that wants to have 20 people or more at a time attend its activities needs half a sim. If they are typical and expect to cram 40 at a time into the club, they need the whole sim to themselves.

Tiny parcels like you propose may work for a boutique that sells prim genitalia from vendors, or bondage furniture from vendors. But it would be worthless for any club or individual actually seeking to USE Adult-rated content. It would be worthless for any furniture store that has the actual items out on display, like any of Stroker Serpentine's sexgen bed stores. As soon as they start placing more than a couple of those items in-world, they will eat the entire prim allocation.

A 4096 parcel gives you a mere 936 prims. I live on a bit more than a quarter of a sim. If I were to try to set up JUST the "adult areas" from my castle and lands, with the normal range of adult firnishings, I need more prims than that, and I consider it only sparsely furnished with adult toys. And I'm not a business. Just someone who happens to believe in the freedom to explore a variety of passtimes, and to allow my invited guests to do so as well. A sex club would have far more prims that they would need to have placed in-world.

Many adult venues do take good advantage of well-terraformed land, so offering them flat urban lots with no terraforming means they lose much of what makes their venue interesting and attractive. If you had a beautiful waterfront location, with mountain views and carefully terraformed caves, sprawling over half a sim, would you trade that for a patchwork of tiny flat parcels that can't be joined or terraformed? Neither will the adult venues.

Um, what?

Where the heck are you getting THAT from?

If this was to make an adult continent more desirable in order to convince people to voluntarily move there, I'd agree.

But it terms of a mandated move - there are a number of reasons someone might be attached to a particular location - terrain is just one; others include its location on the sim (central, edge, corner); terrain textures (snow, grass, sand); surrounding sims (ocean, edge of world, large lake); surrounding parcels (e.g. linden road, friends or colleagues homes or businesses - not necessarily adult); history (if they've been on that sim for years); name of the sim; sentimentality (LL have made SL immersive - that people can become attached to a virtual place s much as a real place is an indication of how successful they have been).

Basically, however you try to sweeten the pill a forced land move is a forced land move and will be disruptive. However, unlike a forced land move in RL where the criteria whether you are elegible for any sweetners is are you in the area that needs to be cleared, in this case if LL makes the move too sweet (e.g. by offering to buy back the land at an extremely preferential rate such as L$20 per m2 to offset both the price that some may have paid for the land, and to offset the possibly high prices that land on the new adult continent may demand), then everyone will try to get in on the sweetner by quickly buying up cheap mainland and plonking a sex shop in a box on it.

If LL want a solution to filtering adult content in world which is not highly unfair and disruptive, then they need to rethink. If they regard losing residents and residents' confidence as a necessary risk then they should press ahead but be open that it will be disruptive.

Matthew

Makes me wish I'd been able to make it to those office hours, but no doubt somebody has the logs. Why office hours logs are not posted on the web somewhere as a matter of course for other residents to read has always baffled me.

Go to SL and exchange click on the links there

Sl offer many third party sites to buy Lindens

* thanks for the link to transcript.