Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

For those who want this implemented, so that they can explore or skydive into private property with out risk of hurting their own sensitivity's, It occurs to me that what is left of the mainland after this is implemented will become virtually unnavigable anyway.

Those who do not relocate, but have anything not PG in their homes, will throw up ban lines and access lists and protect sky-boxes with security orbs, rather than risk being AR'd by wandering prudes.

We may get Adult businesses off the mainland but we could also inherit a siege mentality amongst those that remain.

People are THAT P'd off about this backwards effort to improve SL's image to people who don't give a ratatoiulle about it.

Likely an astute interpretation.

If the Lindens were to move all the PG sims onto a fresh new PG continent and then push the idea that it was the "real" "main" mainland... have newbies, investors, businesses, reporters all arrive on THAT continent, and not be able to get off it unless they went back to the site and dug around for some little button that says "allow me into the secret OTHER continents"... well, then the Lindens would have a pristine, antiseptic, prettified mainland to show everybody, the mainland they want to have for their public SL image.

Heck, they could even PR it so much that outsiders wouldn't realize that the PG mainland continent wasn't the bulk of mainland. LOL

What are you "Huh"-ing at me about? Intent?

The difference between public and private, as described by the Lindens, seems to be "Intent". If it's intended to be public and explicit, then it's adult. If it's not intended to be public, or it's not intended to be explicit, then it's not adult.

That's why a pose-ball in a furniture store wouldn't be adult, because it isn't intended to have a naked toon on it in the furniture store. That's why a pose ball with a naked toon on it in a house wouldn't be adult, because it's not intended to be public.

My concern is how they're going to interpret this.

Because my home isn't a house.

MMM your forgeting the Required Verification to access adult areas, something a large number of adult users refuse to do. Meaning that anyone using your sim without payment informantion on file will not be allowed into adult areas.

Adn these people spend a lot of money, rent a lot of land, donate a lote to sims, tip a lot, etc!!!

I sent out a group notice yesterday informing my group-members of the planned changes. This is a group of a lesbian dance-club. The club is not primarily about sex, but there are sexbeds in the bedrooms in the back And there is the occasional "best naked lady" contest on the dance-floor. All in an enclosed skybox at 900m height with no-one else within a 100m radius. But as this is not just a private home, I have to assume that this will be considered to be "adult" in nature, and that I will have to move if the planned changes are really implemented. Unless someone from LL tells me otherwise...

Now today I just checked out the profiles of 20 randomly chosen members of the group for "Payment Info on File/Used". I only checked avatars who did login during the last few days as I couldn't care less about people who didn't login during the last 6 months. These wouldn't be affected anyway

Only 4 (!) of the 20 that I checked, had payment info on file/used. 16 showed as having no payment info on file.

So for me that means if this change is implemented, 80% of active group members will probably be unable to get to a place they enjoy, as they wouldn't be considered age-verified then.

I suggest that other business owners check their groups for these numbers too and post their results here. It would definitely not hurt to add any actual numbers of the probable consequences of the planned changes for all to see.

Bad decision LL. VERY BAD!

Creating a adult continent will not prevent this. On the other hand hosting a meeting on a private island and judicious use of group access permissions would prevent this (and can be done now).



There are a lot of technical developments needed to radically improve reliability, audit and confidentiality before that becomes a possibility.

Matthew

So where are these sims where the adult contents is 100%, and how many are there? The fact is most are mixed use. And if adult business will have to go to the mainland, or the whole sim be "adult"...do I then kick out the non adult businesses? Or require the adult one to go. Think this thru a little more. Linden knows and understands these things. Regions with an adullt business will have to let them leave. Vacant land. So, maybe you are missing something?


Ozzie Drucker

I certainly would like to know if all of the BDSM groups and their lands will have to relocate to the "adult content" area on the mainland. I feel that the BDSM areas should reamain where they and I suggest that you include age verification in with the registration of new members. I myself am age verified, and i don't have a paid membership. Also, I feel those that the malls in the BDSM areas should not have to relocate as well. We aren't all that understood in RL FFS. Do we have to get the same crap here? If someone doesn't like BDSM then leave the area, but please don't lower the boom on us BDSMers just brecause we're not "mainstream" or "normal" by vanilla standards! What about those who have establsshed stores not associated with malls, but sell Bondage goods? they will lose business if they move goes there,
and i also feel that memberships should remain free as an option for those who can't pay for membership, but still have them verify their age as well. By the way i am a member of several BDSM groups, so I know where I am coming from on this! Please let us know if we have to relocate, and let us be where we are. We are non-violent, if the furries don't have to relocate, why should we? Just have all those who don't have a paid membership get aged verified too so's they can go to mature areas too. and what about those that enjoy ponyplay, they are harmless too and should be able to stay where they are. I also am a Lesbian do we have to face discrimination and have to move to the mainland too? the womens' groups i belong to have safe places for us and we don't have to put up with males trying to hit on us. You guys at Linden Labs are gonna make it hard on a lot of us. If you do start age verification, can you guarantee there will be no identity theft? Please let me know what is gonna happen to us, and do respond. If there are any BDSMers out there get on the bandwagon, and reply to this, add your thoughts and feelings.

What if there is some guy out there who is a pedophile.. and pictures of cute little girls in frilly dresses get his 'attention'.. what them? Hrm?

I think this is a whole lotta bunk. Linden labs made up their minds long before they presented anything to their customer base and are now only using this farce to placate those gullible enough to be placated.


I came to SL to get away from the teeny boppers over in WoW and COH... and now.. pft.

"GET OFF MY LAWN YA DAMM KIDS! And you overly sensitive 'OMG I don't want to see them doing THAT.. though, it does look sorta interst...OMG I MUST COMPLAIN! I WAS ALMOST CORRUPTED!' people!" *shakes her cane at the lot of ya..."Let me have pixel boom boom in PEACE will you?"

Truth is, there IS no fair way to correct this. A lottery? That wouldn't work; how do you decide who gets first dibs? Throwing open the doors and turning it into a free-for-all? Also not very fair - particularly for anyone living in different time zones. About the only "fair" way to implement this would be to make the adult continent an exact replica of the entirety of mainland, and moving everyone parcel-by-parcel to their exact mirrors in Pornopolis. But then you have huge, gaping holes in both continents.

Age verification ,well what can we say ,personally this will lead to alot of problems ,not only about how it would and if be managed but holding highly detailed infomation about residents,in the Uk (where I am from) our blessed government has lost details for child benifit,social security,tax and electrol roll data bases!!!!
This infomation can lead to that dreaded identity fraud not to mention finacial implications listed also with fraud,in todays communities be it either virtual and real,how can we be sure that the infomation will be secure and not lost??
The plain and simple fact is it cant be!!!!! there is no way on this earth that age verification with the limited listings that there is can possibly take with a cast iron guarantee that the said detials will be secure ,because if a government cant keep it secured what chance does Second life have? This truly needs to be very carefully thought out ,or better still a good deal of legal consultation,because if details are 'leaked' out by either accident or deliberate reasons then the would be hell to pay for victim not to mention a serious libel case launch against the holder of the said information,it all boils down to one word.....TRUST.
Do we all trust handing over specific details to a third party?
Do we trust that it is kept 100% secure( an impossiblity!!)
Do we just discuss this,or shelve it?
Clearly we are on shakey ground which ever the course of action it implimented,yes I do have reservations with minors being exposed to some of SL's mature content,but isnt it the responsability of a parent to govern what thier child looks at?
There are ways to age verify people look at how some other MMORG's go about age verification,a simple a easy way forward,the impact upon the SL community could very well cause mass residents leave and the once freedom enjoyed lost forever......
but if we all work out a safe way say include age verifiction at sign up when we create an account it would be seamless and easy,clearly it seems to me that Linden Labs have an awful long hard trek before this can become a reality and I hope that in the fullness of time we will see a list of suggested proposals,if there isnt and action is just taken ,then I for one will delete my account,and never return!!!

OK anyone interested can pick up a info Kiosk on Adult changes at my home sim.

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Rivers%20Rock/124/93/41

Sorry really don't have time to pass them out through im requests.

Will try to find a fast way to distribute them.

They are copable so just click and take a copy.

Lets let the memers know what is going on

For those that wish to read the EU directive on data Protection it is here:

http://www.cdt.org/privacy/eudirective/EU_Directive_.html

After reading as much as my eyes could take base line i can see that if a person gives permission for his/her data to be stored outside the EU then thats no problems and especially data that just denotes ones age lol

Have fun with it

But those questions are not being answered either. Some of us have (though not exactly willingly) conceeded that we know we fall into the 2-4% and we'd just prefer to move forward. We have asked for a sign up list and further information for volunteers etc. and we have not been answered or responded to either.

I agree, to an extent. Businesses do want private islands. But a business trying to market real world products within SL might find it beneficial to place advertisements, or even Info hubs based on their real world products in a mainland sim near you. They may also enjoy the idea of being able to sell you a real world product, in SL which you have purchased with Lindens. It would then be promptly delivered to your real life home via your local post office because since you Age-Verified, your address is readily available and tied to your Avatar. Perhaps Coca Cola isn't interested in placing their vending machine right next to a brothel for fear that people might associate their good name with sex, or that they are even promoting said sex, or even worse... You are spending your lindens on sex in SL instead of buying a years worth of coca cola classic!

Sorry, just a random thought. =P

Mine as well. And I do fear that "intent" will turn out to be the official distinguisher as to whether a location is deemed to be public or private, rather than some tangible property that won't be subject to interpretation by whichever Linden happens to be on duty that day.

No, I didn't forget that. That is yet another reason to kill this half-thought-out plan.

What I was talking about was the idea that we think LL is thinking about -- that "cleaning up" the mainland will somehow make mainland attractive to companies and schools.

It won't. Even a "clean" mainland is far to...unpredictable for a RL company. Commercial institutions need better control and more privacy than mainland will permit. That's why they are on private estates now, and why they will stay there.

As angry as I am with LL over this, I think they're smart enough to see that. That's why I say that this new policy isn't about attracting corporate customers to the mainland. No, it's intended to make SL look good, to improve its image. Even if it works (I don't think it will), the new corporate customers won't be buying mainland. They will buy private estates, just like they always have.

"COKE WHORE: A meticulously tiled Coca-Cola logo welcomes visitors at Campo Alegre, Curacao's enormous must-see brothel." -- Dallas Voice magazine, October 2007.

no. do not want!

Simple. We organize, form a residents union and go on strike. If 1000's of residents empty their accounts of all Lindens, stop buying, stop paying annual subscriptions, stop paying rent, and stop logging in, the economy will grind to a halt and LL's concurrent user graph will fall off a cliff. Quickly. LL would be much more receptive to real discussion then.

I was thinking more of a Love in .. Everyone Log in on the same day ..(make Linden use their resources) .. and not spend and don't buy .. just Bot yourself for 24 hours somewhere like a telehub or their offices

MystressAnna Lovenkraft

Ok you can get your info kiosk on this at:

https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=1321336

It is copyable and has information, badges and armbands. Both side are represented, so lets let the members show which side they support.

Considering mine is permanently planted there, I really should have caught that.

I'm curious as to whether these corporations get special newbie treatment? Do they assign a guy to start off on newbie island and explore the brave world of floppy dongs like the rest of us, or do they get sent to their special island with special instructions and special freebie suits? None of these proposed changes will help curb the random floppy dong attacks in the welcome areas, because nothing says, "Welcome to SL!" like a random flo.... Nevermind.

*someone else who's name I've completely forgotten, first mentioned random floppy dong attacks, or some version of the same. I give them full credit though.