Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

With the merger of the teen grid and the "adult" grid, Tempest hit the nail on the head. SL will become a pedophiles wet dream!!! WHY and notice it's a big WHY, should the majority suffer for the satisfaction of the moral majority???
Someone in LL should speak to the Mayor or Cincinnati who can tell you of the millions upon millions of tax dollars lost to this city and countless jobs when a bible packing moron named Simon Leis became Sheriff 20 years ago and booted Hustler magazine out of Cincinnati for frontal nudity!!!! And as the City I speak of, SL is going to lose their ass and many members pursuing this direction. Why are they so intent on fixing something that isn't broken>? Do the Lindens have a financial death wish or just stupid, uneducated advisers. It doesn't take a nuclear scientist to see this attempt on bringing the teens in is financial suicide for SL. Mark my words, there is another virtual world ready to pick up their fragmented pieces. Linden is introducing massive DRAMA into an otherwise peaceful second life and LL should be banned for griefing lol
Anyone of the "Normal" residents of Second Life with agree, you have started a shit storm and it's gonna hit SL right in the face. Enjoy it while it lasts LL you're paving the way to the demise of SL.
Did you really think SL residents would go quietly into the night?? Not in this fucking lifetime we won't!!! And I imagine there will be the cost of real and frivolous lawsuits LL will be paying for as well LMAO

To be fair to Linden Lab and at times it's hard, it really is because this is another classic example of shooting themselves in the foot.

1. They obviously got overexcited on this and suffered premature explanation. Now they're sorry about that and trying to fix it and won't let it happen again.

2. They did say they'd be talking to residents over the next six weeks, they also said they'll be talking to educators and business next week I think, I'll be surprised if anything concrete gets answered this week.

3. Blondin' is playing it sensibly by only answering what he can, I know it's frustrating, I'm annoyed that they won't come up with answers to my questions about estates but let's not expect too much at this stage from a plan that has clearly been ill thought out.

4. Keep the suggestions coming on how to fix this issue, I think that's more important at this stage then awaiting answers from LL.

Wow, 41 pages already. This is great, thanks guys. The feedback is very helpful at this point in the process as we'd like to be able to fine tune this to be as little an imposition as possible, and find the best way to provide value to those who will be affected.

Really, thanks very much for your participation in the discussion!


EDIT: NO PLANS FOR GRID MERGE. I REPEAT, THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO PLANS, THERE IS NO SCHEDULE. AO CONTINENT IS NOT ABOUT GRID MERGE. Seriously, put the rumors down and back away slowly and nobody gets hurt.

Let see now, not one question answered and the statment was in effect worded to make it appear we are all participating in helping the Lindens make this come off.

Got to love PR

Because it isn't written in the TAO

This is not yet an actual discussion!
But I, for one, look forward to an actual discussion!

Discussion? Blue, a discussion requires continuing input from both sides. Not cherry-picking a few softball questions that can be answered with vague one-liner replies.

A lot of people are giving you a lot of valuable input, yes. But as far as we can tell, all you're doing with it is selecting the few replies that somehow validate your pre-determined course of action, while ignoring all the screams and wails and warnings of the customers that are getting trampled beneath your runaway horses.

Customer service score: F Minus, make the student repeat the previous grade next year.

I'm participating to try and minimize the impact. I mean, it's going to happen, no matter what we say... time to make sure that they at least know where the banana peels are.

But some more feedback from LL (other than 'put down the rumors and step slowly away from the panic button') would REALLY be appreciated.

When Philip and M stop talking about it, we'll stop rumour mongering

I don't envy Blondin's position. He/she isn't making policy I'm sure, and for all we know can be just as passionate an SLer as many here and hates this just as much. It was the same with Katt, even though she did enough hole digging in her own, she was set up for failure the moment she signed on here for the very first time. Based on my limited experience of course, but it seems LL is a maddengly frustrating company to work for, at least if they communicate internally as they do externally.

Well.....*dons tinfoil*...technically....if you just allow teens on the current main grid and then decommission the Teen Grid, there isn't a merger, technically, so maybe they are right....technically....

A predictable outcome and why this proposal is so wickedly bad.!

LL must have the data of current unique ID's logins (less the usual 25k bots that login each day) over the last 30 days .....and what percentage are NPIOF, which i assume would be the large majority!

Bah, you guys are a rough crowd! I'm sorry I don't have answers for you as I'm not on the AO team...I help with blogs and forums these days, which is why I'm in here now.

But it is a discussion that's taking place, and I know it would be nice to have definitive answers for every question asked, in real time. But consider that you guys have us outnumbered (and surrounded!) and so it's not the back and forth you'd expect from a discussion with a few folks at, say, an office hour inworld. It's more a discussion in slow-mo over a period of time. Don't let that discourage you from participating though as we really do want to be able to take your feedback into account.

Ciaran: "When Philip and M stop talking about it, we'll stop rumour mongering"

HA! touche xD Yeah, every year or so for the last 3 Philip will say "we're hoping to allow teens to more broadly participate in SL someday" in an interview and my IMs are capped for the next several months. But as I've told people before....we'd like to do it someday. I'd like there to be a pink and green Torley continent too, but neither are going to happen anytime soon

Sorry, I can't agree with *either* side in what you presented in the box, you obviously put a lot of energy into it but it seems misdirected. It is not 'adult vs non-adult' but 'the new policy vs fairness'. Rather than having residents unite on this, it would cause factions where we just fight each other.

Somewhere Torley is crying. =C

Well it is what they are doing exactly.

Removing all adult material to a new Mainland getto and forcing anyone that wants to access it to give them payment info

Okay, so LL feels someone obviously needs protection.

We can start with narrowing it down to eliminate one rumour.

Point blank question: are kids OFFICIALLY here or not?

Well at least he has the one region http://slurl.com/secondlife/Here/90/26/33

Actually a couple textures and some simple scripts... no not a lot of energy )

We're just trying to get the information out there that this is happening
I chose the PG/no-PG as a simple representation of being for or against this change.

If you could IM me or samatha what would effectively represent you in terms of an armband and badge that gives out information, I'll be more than happy to add it to the box.

This isn't about us/them, its about everyone being informed about the changes to 'Adult' content and access to it.

I'm sorry to say this, and I know you're not here specifically to answer our questions, but that isn't really that helpful Blue - you could have spent those few minutes replying (as you're obviously here and reading) by actually finding out an answer for at least one of the hundreds of unanswered questions within the threads.

Humour doesn't go down well when customers are angry.

It has been stated that your research indicates only 2-4% will be "forced" to move. That the 2-4% represents only the most extreme cases.

You have a few of us here who know WE will be included. We have identified ourselves to you. But what about the rest who have not? How have you found them, or will find them?

Example: Only one of my mainland galleries is included in the search because there was no need for me to spend the lindens since I found a location with plenty of foot traffic that would enjoy my work and perhaps wander in.

I've built my galleries to blend into their locations... a beach villa, an urban brick building, and a charming fairy tale cottage. If you were to be simply walking or flying by you'd not know that inside there lurked graphic sex & violence. Even if one wandered into the first floor of one of my galleries they'd only see my R- rated work because I put the graphic & violent images on the upper floors so unsuspecting casual drop-ins won't get slammed with images that might offend them.

I'm not understanding how the 2-4% is going to be identified. Are you starting from search using certain terms like BDSM for example? Are you following leads from people who have complained? Do you have members of the Linden family out on a hunt to locate us?

If i may add the focus of all these changes is adult.

so yes it is against the adult areas. I don't believe for one minute most people who never go into a adult area are agaisnt us. I am also not against some logical re-organization with a plan and input on the mainland, I HATE some of the sims with the mess in them.

But this approach by sl is exactly the same as last year. Suprise, we are doing this, live with it. It was our in world efforts that stopped age check.

And i would say with over 35 deliveries of the info kiosk and the fact they are copyable, this will effect this plan as well.

LL is said to show a flag of Adult.
However, LL does not explain this reason for change.

IPO? Company Sale? Is it guidance of the U.S. Government?
Is it participation to Main Grid of the minority?

Please,show the flag.
In addition, are you going to lose trust LL?

SLZIN HLDGS.Japan / Akko Yoshikawa

A few points and questions:

Question that seems not to be answered by the Lindens is that impact this would have all the residents that lease land either in a private island or mainland what is to be come of them and their businesses that they have invested in? More often then not this investment is with real money to a great expense.

Would the Land exchange work for those residents that are currently located on private island and the estate owner does not wish to flag said private estate?

Would the URL’s then be changed or would that be something each owner would then have to do to make sure the age verified client base would still find them?

How much time would you think it will take to make enough land available for such a trade?

Would Linden Labs make the needed adjustment to a mainland so as not to have the lag that you get if you go to 90% of mainland that is multi owned land? What education will you provide for landowners that often do not understand that the grid can only handle so much flash, script throwing particles?

Moreover, as for the vote could you set it up for that a dormant avatar would not be able to vote (i.e. anyone that has not logged into the system within that last 1 to 2 years?

And in closing would also like to add a comment and it is in my heart of hearts not to offend with it and think if given an honest look you would probably agree. It would appear that the only ones that you really listen to are premium account members as long as they own mainland or private simulators. Well I pay my premium fee and when I signed up this was not the normal and you effectively changed the contract in midstream when I have invested a lot and stayed after a time when my private checking account was defrauded to the tune of $1700.00 USD to be ignored as a resident. If you could not secure my account then why would I invest in a private or mainland simulator? Now it is true you refunded it but took my avatar off the grid during the weekend one of the biggest times that I have to run events and attract business.

Oops, I'll take the blame for that one since I was chatting with Blue at the time.

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