Upcoming Changes for Adult Content: Main Forum Thread

Has anyone picked up on this happening elsewhere? On the face of it, it seems like a very underhand way of going about things, not to mention the 'screw you, we're doing things our way anyway' implication.

Bottom line is:

Linden Labs is about to make a lot of money enforcing this move. I can just imagine the conference meeting on this action.

"now that we have every adult settled in Mature land, with business' of mature content lets make them all move to ADULT land. Charge a fee to move their business, charge even more for the land and tier. WE here at Linden labs can get a Christmas bonus this year. How about 2 weeks in Vegas?"

Simply put, if teens are finding ways onto our mainlands, they will find ways in our Adult lands as well. This is a scam. Lindens way of making a big substantial amount of money. SCAM people. Why am I the only one that sees it for what it is? Think about this seriously. Who is going to be hurt over this and why? It's is going to hurt everyones wallet by doing this and only improve one group, Linden Labs. The cost of a move like this will hurt my business, the cost would be more then then it would be worth. Next year in "Adult" land we will be sitting here a lot poorer, Linden labs a lot richer, complaining that teens are still getting into adult areas of the game. How much will it cost me then?

Its a scam, they lost a lot of revenue when they tossed gambling out the window and now they are trying to compensate. I'll hang on perhaps until I see them enforce this, and my standing will be.. "No, it's time to sell and move to the game WOW" I can't see me moving all my business again. Perhaps my 3 years with SL is about to come to a halt.

Well written.

Moving:
Most people with less than a sim's worth of land want all of their holdings to be in the same sim because sims are additive between plots when you do that.

Tiering down:
Which plot do you think will go? A place that makes money or something that does not make money?

Leaving SL:
That one is pretty obvious if the land owner leaves.

No cut off date for verification.



No payment is required and upgrading to a premium account will not be mandatory.



Payment info will be valid even if the credit card has expired after the account has been verified. The adult flag won't be removed unless there is a reason to suspect/believe that a verified account may be underage.

Glad to hear you didn't have a problem!

It is common knowledge that many of those who di adult check are kids. Kids will get on this system no matter what we do. If a kid wants on the adult sections of sl, no system will stop them. You do realize that almost every kid around me has a credit card, or was this system designed to simply remove all those that don't have one??

PLEASE!!! Age VErification, did not work, either will this. Put simply, if you put this in place, then sl can say goodbye to a hugh number of good honest, free account holders that spend billions of lindens online.

We all can watch mainland plots drop in value till they are worth 1 linden a sq meter or less, sim will be closing and sold for peanuts, businesses will close, etc.

That is what this offers all of us.

I agree that forcing people to take random plots would be a bad idea. What do you think would be a fair way to correct this?

Want to bve fair, ok, lets see who was there first and thend ecide who moves. Want to bet that most of the moving will be done by no adult plots?

It is fine for some people to be high and mighty about this and cheer it on, but do they actually belueve that without all that adult stuff they would have land on sl? Have a grid even??

If we give priority to tasteful adult sites, then the question becomes 'What is considered tasteful?'

Find a way to allow forced movers to have a say in their new location. Give them first choie of the land in the sim, maybe by rez date, or alphabetically, or perhaps lottery, or something, that won't be easy, granted. Also give them as much terraforming leeway as possible so they can make their areas as nice as their prior plots were with as little hassle as possible.

Blondin - This question has remained unanswered from this and several other threads.

A PG business located on a region tagged MATURE.

Even if search returns results to the searcher for this business will the resident still be able to teleport to that region if they are not age verified?

or

If the resident is not age verified will search results even return for a PG business located on a MATURE region.

To be fair, if you can come up with a workable definition of 'adult', then surely you can manage 'tasteful' too...

Let landowners vote on transferring their existing Mature sims to Ursula, with appropriate terraforming work around the edges. Those who don't want to move return to the new/old sims, and have the opportunity to extend their holdings in the newly-emptied space?

We've always been keen supporters of whatever the Lindens have decided to do, and they have done a great job figuring out what is best for the overall enjoyment of residents and implementing these fairly. However on this occasion we believe that the Lindens are on the wrong track here. May I quote here Cyn Linden please? re, "..it has become clear that some Residents are interested in pursuing certain “Adult” activities in Second Life that others would rather not casually encounter."...

But this is NOT, in our opinion, the true issue really....

I am an intelligent middle aged man who has traveled 1st life extensively as an engineer, my partner Anah is evern more mature in years and has been a primary school teacher all her working life..so we do know a thing or two! Well, we are no prudes in this matter, however we do NOT like porn or seeing Adult activities in any shape or form!!
However, we have been to the public nude/naturist beaches and seen that most residents no longer wish to be nude, we've TP'd all over SL to many different sims and do not find offensive material thrust in our faces. Unless we actually search for sexual material, i.e. free sex sims or group activity, we'll not suddenly encounter it, further more, we always have a clue as to what there is and what to expect from their LM details/images and adverts. Do remember that 1st Life is undergoing a recession, and we have found less and less interest for this type of thing anyway. Second Life is SELF GOVERNING!

As for "Adult" activities mentioned, we honestly can state that we've never come across it!! If we ever did, it would be easy just to MUTE them and they become greyed out, no problem. Do we really need such "moral policing and enforcement" at the moment, with all the time, effort and upheaval that would ensue trying to crack such a small "problem"? Really, we would like SL to remain as it is please!!

So what should be the true issue then?...

Second day of my first experience of SL found myself taking to a young newbie female who admitted she was 13yo! One month later I was on Help Island 8 and met a 15 yo boy, six months later another "boy" said he would be 18 yo next month! I prefer to believe that these people genuinely made a mistake by either thinking it was Teen SL or by not reading the TOS. How many more are there in SL? ...why mess about here? We would like to see a phasing in of a "blanket" verification system for all residents either through credit/debit cards or a more streamlined method of age verification. The benefit of a "blanket" verification through cards, would to encourage residents to buy Lindens "in world" through their viewers. Hopefully this would help to further stimulate the economy....also in additition, a data base containing Real 1st Life names/addresses could be built!!...those who persist in creating new account after new account in order to Sim Grief at leisure, will know they can be tracked, and their real names could be used to ban them in a much more effective way!

So there you have it, a simpler method of age filtering, Abuse/banning control and eventually a better economy, and all without too much fuss. What else do we really need?

Is not the logical conclusion then to age verify BEFORE letting anyone on to the grid, rather than more or less ostracize everyone who subjectively are more adult than others?

These teens have no business to even be on the current grid. It is for 18+ according to your own TOS.

Renee, don't you mean "adult" as opposed to "mature"? If not, the answer to both your questions is plainly "yes".

But do you want to? You've seperated Adult from Mature. Now do we need Tasteful Adult and Raunchy Adult? And do we then categorize the varios levels of raunch? Where does it stop?

Area 51 exists and there are pictures of it on the web. It is (was) an aeronautics research station for testing the most hightech and advanced aircraft. I don't know myself what aircraft, but judging by the odd burnmarks on the tarmacs, their wingspans are equal to a 747, and they burn HOT!! The only cement I've seen scorched like that before was on a rocket engine test stand.

But this is getting off the subject. We are not crazy for thinking this is a precursor to dropping teens into the adult grid, because the two top dogs of LL have repeatedly said - in public - that they are going to do so. This mopping up the floors is a prelude to it. We have to read between the lines because after being lied to so often in the past, about the only thing we know for certain is that the truth is anything but what we hear from them.

Voidsims for all with lots of prims you aren't supposed to use.
Homesteads price increase, simple mugging of people that used their prims.
Age Verification - oh yeah, EVERYONE is so safe now.
Gambling ban just a few weeks after denying such was in the works.
Attempted ban on child avatars -- oh wait! Those are adults at the computers.

It's not conspiracy when it's the truth.

Anyone notice the wel trained mind at work. I know i ahve taken the same courses.

Blondin, ignores all negative postings, and response in a frinedly maner to all questions that assume this will all take place as designed.

Yet ignores questions, like where did someone come up with the 4 to 6% effected which we all know is wrong?

ignores any comment on the fact sl will loose thousands of regulat users if they put in this verification, just as was discovered last year.

Igonres any comments about the fact land values will drop, sims will close, etc.

This threat people is a PR excierise. Anyone who aks a question about how it will take place and who says anything supportive of the proposal gets a nice friendly reply from Blondin.

Anyone that is against it gets ignored. I can see the message as this is implimented. Linden Labs wants to thank all the Positive support it got when discussing this implimentaion. The VAST majority of comments told us we were heading the right direction.

We are all part of the PR excercise. Not one real converation about this has taken place, only flowery responses to possitive comments and clear responses to anyone asking how or what etc. Nothing for those asking why or how much this will cost us.

so BLondin, let see if you actually want to discuss this:

1 - what about the Europeen privacy laws which by the way do have actual rules on what they can and can not give out.

2- what about alt accounts?

3 - what will Linden Labs to to compensate our lost incomes, lost land values, lost sim values, lost business values?

4 - what will Linden Labs to to replace the thousands of regular sl users that leave when you force them to verify?

5 - when are you going to inform sharholders that you are about to damage the main Linden Lab Asset?

6 - Why are you hiding this back here. why is there no notice to the vvaste majority of users to make sure they know what your planning?

7 - Who si really behind this, because this is simply a rehash of the same idea last year that failed, only it did caus land values to drop, people to sell etc. Or is there a few lindens out there buying up and making a killing, or worse buying up for linden labs?

8 - How will linden labs compensate the 1000s of users who leave because of this massive change that have lindens, ladn, sims, etc.?

Precisely Brenda - excuse me while I take my tongue out of my cheek...

No I mean MATURE currently rated regions;

I have not seen any definitions on what Mature and Adult are. So if search filters out anything on a mature region or if teleports are halted to a mature regions, thousands of SL businesses will be hurt.

Clothes and furniture themselves would not be considered Adult.

Want to ahve a simple solution to all this:

Let is all vote on it, and since it is a business, those that generate the most sl income for Linden Labs get the most votes ok?

Want to bet who that is?

Who's being high and mighty?

Second life would be much smaller without mature content, I would agree with you wholeheartedly on that, most residential sims will have scripted beds etc. in them, but a sex bed is mature content to me not adult content, and if linden labs are saying 2-4% of secondlife content has an adult nature they obviously don't count sex beds either as adult.

2-4% will count the orgy rooms with porno photos videos etc. and other explicit material.
So hardly likely to affect to many land owners and certainly will not affect whether I have land on the grid or not.

I will just be happy to see the removal of some of the tacky cr*p