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Blondin Linden
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03-18-2009 14:57
From: Robert Graf
Put the announcement on the login page with links to the blogs. "Adult Content to be Restricted". That should get this blog heated up good. Maybe put a poll question there. Do you favor restricting Adult Content within SL? Would be interesting to see the results. ;)


We'd see dormant alts from 05 coming out of the woodwork to take the survey :-)

A message of the day post would be a good way to increase readership of the blog.
Minx Eisenhart
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03-18-2009 14:58
From: Blondin Linden
Since we officially announce things on the blog - how do you think we can get more SL users to read it? There are a lot of localization attempts (ie, the new French SL web page) but I agree that there are a lot of people who do not read the blogs / forums / knowledge base articles.



On the sign in Screen SL is always giving tips or anoucnments of events why hasnt this been posted there yet?
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Blondin Linden
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03-18-2009 14:58
From: Rene Erlanger
I mean verification is quite a big deal for all of its userbase to know about....don't you think?


Yes
Argus Collingwood
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03-18-2009 14:59
From: Shockwave Yareach
Europeans are forbidden by law to give you the data you require. So they cannot age-verify. Ergo, they cannot access adult content, even if they themselves created said content.

Imagine a world where you cannot access your own parcel because you cannot age verify across the pond. That world is coming, along with all the rest of the serious problems I have already spelled out for you people again and again and again.



Payment information on file = verified. I would think folks creating content and selling it in-world or on Xstreet would be verified?
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Maxine Kohime
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03-18-2009 14:59
To be honest, I think this discussion is wasted time...they will not really listen to us...
Or will you really follow our suggesgtions, Blondie Linden? It would be great, but I just dont believe it...

Than the facts they give can not be correct, like SL has only 5% adult content.
Nearly the most mature sim are having adult content? The RP Sims also! (BDSM, Vampyres, Gor and so on) And speaking open, I guess the most of us have a fullanimated bed or bath at the SL home^^ with "very nice" XXX animations...soooo, should now everybody move on into the red light district?

And when everybody needs an ageverfication to enter adult content, than that is a "Big" change to now...Btw, the LL age verfication is not really working, I know so many people being over 18, made the check with no success....that should work before LL opens the adult ghettos...do you hear, Blondin?

At least the fact is, that the majority has to follow the minority...now SL will become like RL.
Im very sad about that...

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Phoenix Welles
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03-18-2009 15:00
From: Blondin Linden
Having a sex bed in a residence is not considered Adult. If the theme or content is centered around sex, then it crosses the line between mature and adult.



/me hears squealing brakes.

ok, just to clarify... a private house with a sex bed is ok... but that statement makes me worry.

Let's say I build a skybox dungeon with toys, it's still on my private land and I'm not advertising it... but that purpose of that is more extreme than casual conversation with an occasional tussle between the sheets. So are residents who have more risque toys in their homes going to have to move as well? Up until now I had taken at face value that residences were going to be minimally affected, but that affects probably a good number of homes now too.

Thanks
Blondin Linden
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03-18-2009 15:00
From: Shockwave Yareach
Europeans are forbidden by law to give you the data you require. So they cannot age-verify. Ergo, they cannot access adult content, even if they themselves created said content.


Well, there are other ways to verify. You can have payment info on file with XStreet or a verified Paypal account. Will one of those two cover you?
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03-18-2009 15:01
From: Screwtape Foulsbane
I was saying that no one can hide as the other sex. No one being tricked in a "relationship".
Argent is male. Argent's player is male. Argent still doesn't want any personal information about his player exposed. His player concurs.
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Arana Boa
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03-18-2009 15:02
From: Blondin Linden
You mean the Message of the Day? Should that be a constant or only when BIG news is announced?


If you don't consider THIS "big news", that may be part of the Problem....
Brenda Connolly
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03-18-2009 15:03
From: Blondin Linden
Since we officially announce things on the blog - how do you think we can get more SL users to read it? There are a lot of localization attempts (ie, the new French SL web page) but I agree that there are a lot of people who do not read the blogs / forums / knowledge base articles.

Announcements on the login splash screens?
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-18-2009 15:05
From: Blondin Linden
Since we officially announce things on the blog - how do you think we can get more SL users to read it?
Fix http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-982 and move it back to Linden's servers instead of hosting it on Jive. I had no idea that the new blogs weren't hosted at LL until comments in WEB-982, which means that I've been entering my SL password at a third-party site.
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Blondin Linden
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03-18-2009 15:05
From: Argus Collingwood
Payment information on file = verified. I would think folks creating content and selling it in-world or on Xstreet would be verified?



You are correct. If you have payment info on file with Linden Lab or Xstreet - you are already age verified.
Kara Spengler
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03-18-2009 15:10
From: Screwtape Foulsbane
Age verification = Gender verification?

If so, this could be one of the few good things to come out of the new changes. No more men pretending to be women and vice-versa.[/QUOTE

Ack! Originally age verification was called identity verification. LL changed that one when it got a negative reaction.

The transgender community absolutely *hated* that one and you want to bring it back? Remember than many in the trans community do not have documentation that matches our genders. Of course, you could always say "don't gender verify then" .... but is anyone *that* braindead not to know what people would assume about people who choose no to gender verify?

How by any stretch of the imagination would identity verification be a "good thing"?
Blondin Linden
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03-18-2009 15:12
From: Phoenix Welles
/me hears squealing brakes.

ok, just to clarify... a private house with a sex bed is ok... but that statement makes me worry.

So are residents who have more risque toys in their homes going to have to move as well? Up until now I had taken at face value that residences were going to be minimally affected, but that affects probably a good number of homes now too.



No. Residents who have more risque toys in their private homes will not have to move. Sorry for raising the red flag of concern.
Screwtape Foulsbane
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03-18-2009 15:16
From: Kara Spengler
From: Screwtape Foulsbane
Age verification = Gender verification?

If so, this could be one of the few good things to come out of the new changes. No more men pretending to be women and vice-versa.[/QUOTE

Ack! Originally age verification was called identity verification. LL changed that one when it got a negative reaction.

The transgender community absolutely *hated* that one and you want to bring it back? Remember than many in the trans community do not have documentation that matches our genders. Of course, you could always say "don't gender verify then" .... but is anyone *that* braindead not to know what people would assume about people who choose no to gender verify?

How by any stretch of the imagination would identity verification be a "good thing"?


No SL version of "the crying game"?
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-18-2009 15:16
From: Kara Spengler
How by any stretch of the imagination would identity verification be a "good thing"?
It would make a few ****phobic types more comfortable with their fantasy relationships.
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Baska Babenco
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Possible Adult content categories
03-18-2009 15:22
Ok it is going to be hard to explain what I think should classified as Adult a in a PG forum but I will do my best.

Adult:

- Any commercial sim that has cuddle pose balls which has touching 3 pixel inches from erotic zones.

- Any commercal sim that has a pose ball that includes animated kissing which lasts longer the 10 seconds.

- Any BDSM themed parcel where there is a possibility of roleplay where skin may be broken. However if it is only light spanking then it should remain "mature"

- Any store that sells prims that people could use for erotic purposes. For E.g. a massage table that has one pose ball where touching is below the waist is adult.

- Any store or commercial parcel that contains poses where there is foot licking and massaging should remain mature. However, if there is any toe sucking then this should be classed as adult.

- Any store or commercial sim that has pole dancers where erotic dancing takes place should be adult. Unless the people who dance on the said poles agree to wear something that covers up nipples and genitalia.

- Any store or commercial sim that has a blood fountain. Unless, the said blood fountain is used as halloween decoration and, or has a sign stating it is fake pixel blood and not real pixel blood.

- Any store or commercial parcel that sells sharp metal objects where someone might role play tripping over and hurting themselves or running with scissors.

- Vampire sims should be all mature adult each person says in main chat proir to any role play that any simulated biting or fighting is only simulated.

- Any horror themed content should be adult. However, horror themes may be permitted on any other parcel between October 16 and November 1 for halloween.

- Girlfriends and boyfriends who lead each other by a leash may do so in mature sims, However, if they "yank" the leash and roleplay any form of neck discomfort then they should only be allowed such behaviour in adult sims.

Also the following rules should apply to individual role play:

- Hair pulling is allowed in mature sims, however, if roleplay occurs where hair is pulled by the root then it should be only be done in adult areas.

- Roleplaying slapping is ok in all sims however the following rules should apply: PG sims playfull slapping on thighs or arms. Mature sims slapping on all other areas except the face.

- Violent roleplay should be ok in mature sims unless the content of the roleplay involves tears, loud screaming, more then 1 millitre of blood, more then 1st degree burns or physical discomfort lasting more then 5 mins,

- Stopping flying at high distances causing your avatar to fall to the ground should be banned in PG and Mature regions if the height is more then 3 feet and physical damage including death can result if you jump down from high places. However, rules should be in place to allow acidental falling, but, if someone roleplays falling from a great distance and roleplays being hurt in a mature or PG sim then action can be taken.

To police this new policy I suggest a team of cartoon violence experts to carefully watch over behaviour in second life.
Ciaran Laval
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03-18-2009 15:23
You should be emailing people about this. All big policy changes should be emailed.
Kazimir MacMoragh
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03-18-2009 15:23
From: Blondin Linden
No. Residents who have more risque toys in their private homes will not have to move. Sorry for raising the red flag of concern.


Please don't take this as being sarcastic, but why not? What is the property of a private home makes it private and not public, when everything in SL is essentially public?

It's pretty clear that a location with advertisements and descriptions that list is as "public" is a public location, and somewhere with restricted access and a security orb is private. But what about the vast majority of locations that are pirvate only by virtue of the fact that noone knows of it's existence?
Rene Erlanger
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03-18-2009 15:24
From: Robert Graf
Put the announcement on the login page with links to the blogs. "Adult Content to be Restricted". That should get this blog heated up good. Maybe put a poll question there. Do you favor restricting Adult Content within SL? Would be interesting to see the results. ;)


It would be for the user! We already know the answer ;) .......but the answer wouldn't suit M.Linden's roadmap of where SL needs to be heading!
Rene Erlanger
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03-18-2009 15:28
From: Alisha Matova
Am I alowed to ask a question to a Linden here?

What is Your motivation in doing this?

Is the ESRB threatening a mature rating or something along those lines?

I think if we knew Your motivation, we may be more willing to go along with the idea.


RL businesses and Educators....credibility to the outside world. Nice PR
Brenda Connolly
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03-18-2009 15:32
Once this is all up and running, what steps will be put in place to effectively enorce these standards? How will you deal with the possible increase in erroneous, and false vindictive AR's tht may ensue? Right now, frankly, policy seems to be shoot first and ask no questions. People have told of being informed that they have to reverify a suspended account presumably accused of being underage, when they have already gone through IDV.

Also, why is POIF acceptable now, when it wasn't when IDV was launched?
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Argent Stonecutter
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03-18-2009 15:32
From: Kazimir MacMoragh
Please don't take this as being sarcastic, but why not? What is the property of a private home makes it private and not public, when everything in SL is essentially public?
That's kind of what I meant when I asked for a definition of a house. It's something I was bothered by in the OpenSpace situation, too...

My "home" has no house-like structure on it, unless you count things like a burned out bakery. There's an underwater cave with a pose stand, for convenience.

Are they private homes?
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Ilianexsi Sojourner
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03-18-2009 15:33
I still really don't understand why this 'Adult Continent' is necessary. As I said in a previous thread, I've been in SL almost five years, and in all that time, I have *never* accidentally happened upon extreme sexual or violent content. The only times I've ever seen such things, I was looking for them.

We're all supposedly adults here... what was wrong with the previous system? That is, if you accidentally end up in a sexual area and don't want to see it, just leave. If you don't want to see it, don't search for it. It's the same principle that I use when deciding what to watch on TV; if something bothers me, I change the channel or turn it off.

Judging by the other threads on this subject, a good percentage of SL residents are against this 'Adult Continent' idea. The fact that LL is going ahead with it, knowing that, just points to one thing for me: the merging of the main and teen grids isn't just a rumor. And if that becomes a reality, I'll have to rethink staying here.

This ongoing effort to control and police what goes on in SL is getting really disturbing. I'm an adult, I'm capable of deciding for myself what kind of things I want to see or avoid. If I find something that I don't want to see, I don't start filing complaints or look for someone to blame; I leave and don't go back there. If someone wants to build a sex club, I have no complaint with that; nothing is forcing me to go there.

That old-fashioned system of being responsible for oneself has seemed to work pretty well so far... so why is it now necessary to start segregating all the so-called 'undesirable elements' into one area? Are we not capable any longer of getting up and leaving if we don't want to be there?
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Lady Sakai
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03-18-2009 15:40
From: Blondin Linden
If a person wants to access adult content, they will need to verify age.



OK heres an idea that has been mentioned in various forms numerous times:

Make the new continent completrely PG.
Move the welcome areas there.
Let the buisnesses and Educators use this continent and leave the rest of your customers alone.

= everyone is happy

(and remember happy customers are paying customers not to mention repeating customers )

*above posting is greatly simplyfied to make a clear point
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