Feedback on Ad Farm post

/me covers the thread in doggie kisses to make everything better.



Qie, I think you have a good point here. I'd like to see how LL plans to address these issues. I'd especially like to know how they are going to monitor and enforce the licenses.

Thanks again Katt.

I swear...some peoples children eh?

Originally posted by Robo Marx
Who's alt are U! LOL


I m not an alt and have never been. I don t need to be one to say what i think. Im an adult and responsible SL resident, known and respected by thousands of other residents. Can you say the same ? Oh, I know you are known, more than I am

Now, if you think i am an alt ...

I just laught again !

Quiet you!

Thank you Katt. Looking forward to further details and clarification of this new policy.

Sounds to me like this "licensing" scheme, without being transparent and open, is ripe to be abused by insiders exploiting their friends in the Lab to get preferential treatment.

Now that prok and her minions have witch-hunted the ad-farmer into extinction, how about we target those who abuse the abuse report system to go after competitors and force them out of business, out of their land, etc.

It's too bad this thread descended into a name calling fest. Earlier on we were actually getting some productive feedback. It sounds like a lot of people here feel entitled to violate the TOS because they feel others are doing it and not being punished. There are so many sides to this issue that it's going to be impossible to make everyone happy. So I think the aim may have to be to make it fair for everyone, even if not everyone is happy.

In RL, individuals don't get to decide what roadside signs are allowed or not in their communities. But, communities do get to decide. Remember that and start acting like a community and maybe the Lindens will have an easier time giving us what we want. The only way that happens is if we drop the personal attacks and start cooperating.

Advertising is a fact of life, you can't have successful businesses without it. Since SL allows commercial activity (and we all love to buy things) then they are going to have to allow multiple forms of advertising and let the free market decide what works and what doesn't. A harder line on extortion would be a good place to start. Perhaps a price cap on what a small lot (under 64sqm) can sell for? Licensing is a good idea as long as it's not too expensive or people will just see it as Lindens just trying to get their cut of the extortion. So it should not cost too much, but there should be accountability with it. Abuse it and you lose it, simple as that.

For people who want ad free environments, buying offroad is a good idea, and if we can keep the ads to roadside only (or within 10M of roadside) and below 20M, that should help keep the landscapes clean where there are no roads.

Just so everyone knows what Cytherea is saying

hu ihpey wicayapo = an expresssion used by warriors calling for total defeat of an enemy, with the implication that the enemy will be forced to submit to sodomy.

This in itself shows you what kind of person she is and to add love ya at the end is even more disgusting. Don't try to hide behind native languages thinking there aren't people who might speak this. And don't try and hide behind the "I'm an american indian, so I don't have to abide by your laws" thing either. You commit a crime off res, you are subject to american laws. You commit a crime on res, you abide to tribal laws, and sometimes that also means turning you over to the wasichu (derogatory term for white man).


Now to get back on track, noone really knows what LL is going to do. I see people saying that LL is infringing and becoming totalitarian. Well even here in the free world, free does not mean do waht you want. Everything in life is regulated. And if something is becoming a nuisance and it hasn't been regulated before, than they creat new laws. An example is dog breed specific laws that have been cropping up.

Regulation is a necessity or people abuse and encroach on others. There should be limits to height, placement, type, and location. Just as there is in the real world.

I posted a while back, giving some suggestions on what I thought might be reasonable terms for licensing. Interestingly enough, there were NO direct responses... which may mean that I equally offended both sides, making it a balanced proposition.


Anyway, another idea:

LL should sponsor a design contest for... billboards. Yeah, you heard me. Billboards.

Set the criteria for aspect ratio of the ad space, maximum dimensions and height above ground. Design for time period/style. Bonus points for those that do more than JUST hold a sign....without scripting. Hiding places for motorcycle cops, maybe.

Then, select the best designs as the ONLY allowable boards under the license. Make them available like Linden Trees. Just set the plot to "Advertising", select the board you want, rezz it, apply the ad, and you're done. The build interface should allow only ONE board per plot, (centered in the space, with perhaps a little leeway for adjustments, but with full z axis rotation) and a determined maximum number of boards per sim. Estate management should be able to limit (or completely ban) advertising to specific billboard styles if they wish. Advertisers would have a standard aspect ration, so they could design ads that would fit any allowable billboard.

I've already completed a "rough draft" billboard, as it were, and am prepared to give it to Jack Linden for such distribution if so desired. Aspect ratio of the ad space is 2:1, no dimension over 10m, and a realistic 1950s-60s USA era look.

So Erie Runningbear... are you gonna take down your 80m high ad towers that dominate all your neighbours views now? Or are you going to keep walling in others land to force them to sell so your partner can own the whole sim as she publically stated she wants to?

http://i468.photobucket.com/albums/rr44/JubJubSL/AztekAndErie.jpg

I know of three neighbours who have been approached to sell...and when they didn't she walled em in.

You might try and come across in here as righteous, and you might claim the moral high ground... but your tactics are no different.

This is a very good idea--and the era of the sample was one I was thinking especially apt, too, for builds that have adopted the Bay City styles and textures. It would be great fun to see folks' designs for different Mainland-typical motifs... kinda like the SLRR train station competition. (I know: no train, but the stations are still quite cool!)

But as Talarus points out, we really don't know yet what direction Jack is taking on many of these topics. If the licensees will be supplying their own prims for the billboards--a mistake for other reasons, too--the resident-contributed billboard designs wouldn't happen.

Funny how you try do the same, but we had to put those up to block out your ads plots and ads that were in the middle of our property having nothing at all to do with rescue, and which you bought to "teach us a lesson" when we spoke against adfarms. But nice try, oh and thank you for taking down the cubes after the announcement. As for blocking in, not really, you have a perfect view out and a door And to answer you, yes we'll take them down when we are sure that adfarms can't pollute our park anymore.

We and the majority of SL residents welcome LL announcement.

Oh good, please exit central North America. Thank you.

Having a standard approved selection of Linden bill boards would stop further problems regarding advertisers, this would ensure they followed what was deemed acceptable by the Lindens.
I also would only like to see adverts next to roads and linden owned land, unless placed within private shoping areas or clubs etc.



Note for the Lindens.

Yes advertising regulation is a great move, but secondary to allowing what can only be termed as harassment and abuse.

The main problem for me is and always has been, Linden Labs allowing people to act in what I consider to be a criminal manner under their TOS.

Jack and Katt Linden you have witnessed the anger that some of these people have bought on themselves, now is the time to bring a stop to their activities once and for all.

Katt, you had to see it coming already on page 56, when the ad farmers started to provoke people by calling everyone names. But thank you for your effort.

Just please make sure that those who have been abused by adfarmers for ages do not feel you are at the adfarmers' side instead of theirs. It is very easy to lose customers by giving the impression you are taking sides.

Sandor

This seems to be a suitable compromise. I would suggest a fixed size of 8*6m. This would force advertisers to hold a minimum of 32sqm rendering all existing 16sqm microplots useless for advertisement. Also there should be a limitation of one ad per 32sqm, and of course: no ads outside permitted areas.

Interesting size idea .... force the advertisers to use an odd size (and also render microplots pointless). One downside it is so large though ..... maybe 5x2?

You may want to check your math typo though. An 8x6 needs 4 plots rather than 2.

Nice to see we are getting back on track. Maybe we can discuss remedies to other types of land extortion real soon now Jack? That is a huge problem as well.

Irracional. You have to pay Lindens for their questionable services, but you can choose if to pay Robo Marx or not. Nobody forces you. This construction of extortionism exist only in your head. Jelaousy and hatress towards more successful are pretty dangerous and in our case could lead to virtual tyrany.

What a hero we have here. Weedy Herbst calls me a loser - no wonder - virtual communists in SL hate civilised debate. No logical arguments, just hatress.

Casinos were banned - you lost a bit of freedom of choice..
Banks were banned - you lost a bit of freedom of choice..
VAT has been forced - you lost another bit of freedom of choice..
Advertising industry is going to be wiped out - another bit of freedom of choice..

Soon you will live in a sterile, over-governed system.

I might be wrong but I think Joshua meant 8m wide by 6m high with small depth like a bill board, which will fit snuggly on a 32sqm plot.


Good idea Joshua the larger size will allow the adverts to show up clearly.

These boards would need to be ground based on roadsides only, advertising boards should not be allowed to float or be placed in peoples gardens.

What an idea! And YOU will tel Robo, what the "reasonable" price is, right? Just relax, mate and let the market work, ok?

Right, I certainly didn't meant a brick . Just a billboard looking object as Lloyd proposed.


We're just trying to return to a more civilized discussion here, in case you didn't notice that. So please return to your robber's den if you have nothing to contribute.

Good point! And our poor pixel tree lovers still think that is tragic regulation has something to do with community concerns..

LOL

Sorry didn't catch anything else you said mate ))

Usual stuff. But because US dollar is going to collapse soon, I will have to increase the price of all my parcels.