Feedback on Ad Farm post

Do not even try to mimic mass media definitions of freedom. This debate is about principles of liberty. Only owners of virtual land should decide about placed objects and land pricing. Fullstop.

No. It's not. It's really, really not.

Little patches of pretend land is not what liberty is about. And to those who've invested some or more of their real lives in the defense of real liberty, it's more than absurd: it's offensive.

Please STFU already.

This debate is about principles of liberty. Only owners of virtual land should decide about placed objects and land pricing. Fullstop.

You are right! This debate is about principles of liberty. Only owners of virtual land should decide about placed objects and land pricing. Fullstop.

Another virtual communist. Neighbours have no right to decide what I want on my land and how much I sell it for. Fullstop.

You are a dream of any totalitarian regime! Absolute submisivity and self-censorship. You are funny, man.

Good research. But next time try to spend your time on promoting liberty. This debate is about principles of liberty. Only owners of virtual land should decide about placed objects and land pricing. Fullstop.

Okay, the smaller the better . Let's take a minimum of 6m, 'cause 5m could be placed on a 16sqm plot diagonally.


Actually this debate is about environmental pollution. There can't be any pollution control without rules.

This 2nd ad farm policy is another step in the right direction. The next steps are:

- Regardless of what the small plots are used for, the ability to use the such plots for extortion purposes must be removed. This can first be done by capping their price and making it a TOS violation to extort residents outside of the land sale feature (i.e. asking for or receiving additional money beyond the cap.)

- Disallow use of the ban feature for small plots. Since the land extortionists can't use the eyesore of advertising, they resort to using Linden's ban line system. Of course there's already a long standing JIRA to allow unrendering of their in your face ban line texture, but removing the ability to ban on small plots would prevent it's use for land extortion purposes.

- Except for Linden tree or grass, require prims on small plots to be at or less than .2 meters in size, fully transparent (invisible) or above 500 meters. If the extortionists can't use ads or ban lines, they resort to littering the plots and the new rule will prevent that while still allowing legitimate use of small plots.

- Making it a TOS violation to abuse the land sales search listing to advertise anything beyond the land for sale. Not only will this break the incentive to cut & use small plots for that purpose, but it's in Linden's financial interest to ensure people use the paid classifieds rather than gaming the free land sales search.

Shallow argumentation.. No matter what you say, this debate is about principles of liberty. Only owners of virtual land should decide about placed objects and land pricing. Not you, not Linden Lab. Fullstop.

1) I am no man; I am DRAGON. Thanks!
2) If you had a clue, you would realize that what I am saying there is that I am taking down my ANTI-ADFARM devices, walls, cages, etc.
3) Since I know you don't have a clue, you will continue to be a broken record, probably long after LL bans you from SL. Oh well.
4) I don't CARE about your "communism" drivel. Really. It is quite apparent that you don't understand the meaning of the words you are speaking. I suppose it would be OK, since English isn't your native tongue, but you've been corrected numerous times now, so you have little excuse to remain ignorant.

Enjoy the next 3 weeks, Luke. After that, enjoy your permanent vacation from SL. We WON'T miss you, and I, for one, will enjoy my new-found FREEDOM and LIBERTY to experience SL without people trying to scam, harass, and extort me.

Now, I said ENOUGH is ENOUGH. We're not getting anywhere with this constant back-and-forth. I have stopped, awaiting Jack to post his next update. Why don't you obey your own command and FULLSTOP? You think you are man enough to do that?

This debate is about principles of liberty, Mr Tree. Only owners of virtual land should decide about placed objects and land pricing. No virtual communists should be involved in the process. Fullstop.

I think enough ideas and suggestions have been given. Time to lock this thread its becoming just another ad farm.

Good Day

I wish to inform you all that I belong to a long abused, exploited, enslaved and discriminated minority.

All those crimes are clearly punishable under the UNO Human Rights charter.

You are hereby advised to refrain from comment, complain or disagree with my abuses, exploitations, extortions, bad taste ads, obnoxious temperament, insults and lies or you will be criminally persecuted to the full extent of the law, charged with minority discrimination.

Have a nice day

While I really do appreciate your position, Katt, I agree 100% with Nina's statement.

Good one! This debate is about principles of liberty, Mr Tree. Only owners of virtual land should decide about placed objects and land pricing. No virtual communists should be involved in the process. Fullstop.

Interesting, another notecard policy, akin to the initial "Ageplay" policy of March 2007. This explains why I've seen a lot less on the mainland this morning. I did now one "network" has opted to simply replace their networked ad with a full alpha texture, though, leaving their rotating signs intact as a form of "compliance." I'll be interested to see if some of the worst farmed areas (such as Cyncia on the Heterocera Atoll) get cleared out over the next week. That will actually look kinda weird, in a good way.

I like that the notecard makes clear that noncompliance now means no license later. Well done.

Thanks for sharing this, Puppet!

Are you having a period, Weedy? It would explain all of it..

I'm a little late, but wanted to get my Thank You into Jack Linden. Like most everyone else, I'm very happy and excited about this new set up. I might even apply for a license! But Jack, Thank You for putting up with us at your office hours, and thank You for listening to the community and taking action. It's very much appreciated.

Considering that most of us have said enough to get ourselves warned several times over each, I think it is admirable that LL has allowed us to vent our frustrations from BOTH sides of the fence, over the issues and the policy that will deal with them. I think Katt has shown remarkable restraint in dealing with this cesspool (which I have had my share in making as well), so let's appreciate her not taking the strong-arm approach and mass-editing posts or locking the thread. Let's put it all to rest at least until Jack makes his next post.

Without Jack here to keep the focus on the subject, we're just all turning on each other. We all know how each other thinks. There's enough animosity and frustration all around to fill 100 threads of 1000 posts each on the subject before we will feel spent. However, it's not going to change anything. We still have a good 3 weeks to yammer on about it here and elsewhere, but the main issue for us is resolved. Let's not turn into sore winners and sore losers, but instead try to make the best of the situation, and give LL every chance to focus their efforts to make good on their promises and commitments to clean up the mainland.

At this point, if you really feel like you just have to make your voice heard directly, Jack's Office Hours are at 1PM SLT today in Linden Estate Services. I am sure the sim is going to be full, so get there early to make sure there is floor space in the main room.

I can promise you I will be there. Will you?

Funny. They have a list and I am not on it. That means Puppet is an adfarmer and I am not. This is exactly the reason why should everybody mind his own business. Only land owners should decide about placed objects and land pricing. No virtual communists should be involved in the process.

This debate is about principles of liberty. I believe only virtual land owners should decide about objects and land pricing. No virtual communists should be involved in the process. Owners pay, owners should have absolute rights.


Snipped personal chatlog posting.

Weedy did buy one plot in an adfarmed parcel near us, but didn't put a tower in it, crater it, or otherwise do anything objectionable... she was running some kind of scanner network. When we were cleaning up the adfarm we contacted everyone who had a parcel in it. Weedy is the only one who was happy to move their 16m square for us... and we were offering *roadside* spots in exchange for the original sim-center spots: if your fellow adfarmers were interested in *advertising* instead of *extortion* you'd have been happy to accept our offers.

Luke

I agree, virtual land owners should be able to decide about placed objects and land pricing, a free market is essential.

However as you well know, some people will abuse this right and act as toss*rs.

In these instances the Lindens must act, to enforce the normally accepted rules of common decency, followed by most responsible people with principles.



Jack

The more I read this thread the less I feel restrictions of advertising are requred, as much as some way to make sure harassment and abuse can be dealt with severely.

This thread has hopefully made it clear to you that Advertising is just the tip of the iceburg.

Restricting who can place adverts, where they can place them and maximum sizes etc. will do absolutely nothing to prevent certain types of people exploiting any ability they have to harass and abuse those around them.

You have stated a clear intention to take action, against this sort of behaviour.

Can I suggest that the only language these people understand is that of cold cash.
Once a repeated form of abuse has been identified instant removal of all assets and funds must be carried out.
This hardline policy should be outlined clearly in the TOS, for all of the current protagonists and any future users planning to take a similar path.

Second Life is a virtual community in complete anarchy as shown in this forum.
As with real life communities it should be subject to general rules of law enforcement.


Liberty is something that should be maintained, for creators, businessmen, advertisers all users who have any form of principles by which they act.

The new rules required to find a solution to prevent the ability of the few to act criminally, will no doubt stiffle creative talents, along with genuine business opportunities.

This is why LL must enforce an individuals behaviour, not building types and land usage.
We need a police force Lindens!