Feedback on Ad Farm post

One of the main Ad Farmers is an individual/avatar that publicly adverts he is from Hong-Kong, and no one talks about him.

He’s the worst kind, the wolf who disguises himself as a sheep.

He apparently offers to “trade” (at his discretion) his obnoxious ad tower full parcels for other in the same sim, that means that one would have to support another criminal buying his extortion 16 to trade with the “sheep”, perpetuating the cycle of extortion/spam/extortion/spam eternally.

He must have received an IM too because he has substituted his towers with an huge blue particle ball and left some squares in the sky in the former tower positions, but this is still visual spam and a kind of revenge.

I’ve been in SL only for some months and I am already fed up!

Thanks God that apparently this will end

You do realize we're talking about two larger sized roadside parcels I own in one sim, not a whole smattering of 16 sq.m. crap all across the grid, don't you? Oh, no, you just like to randomly make accusations and call names, that's right. If you are going to rant and rave at people, at least read their posts fully so you know what they're talking about.

Back to more important matters. I am happy to learn that our Hong Kong advertising friend is taking down his towers. One down, dozens more to go. I have to say that I haven't been seeing much movement on the ads - wonder if everyone is going to wait until the last minute.

I guess the thing that bugs me is how people can justify the parasitic advertising model in their minds in the first place. Are business owners entitled to suck attention and eyeballs away from other people's venues and hard work? Are they entitled to intrude on our consciousness day in and day out with ZERO consideration whatsoever?

I fall back to the website banner advertising analogy. No one is gonna complain about a web site owner putting up Google AdSense, or even his own banner ads on his own site, but how can he justify going out and putting his ads on someone else's site, or "framing" someone else's site with his ads? Where is it written in the ethics of business that people are "entitled" to piggyback their success on others? Where's the quid-pro-quo? Normally, if you want to put your advertisements up on someone else's site, you PAY them for that PRIVILEGE.

I realize that the entirety of a particular region is not mine (yet, maybe), but parasitic advertising IS invading and intruding on MY efforts, sucking MY life's blood, riding on the coattails of MY success to pull people into the sim in the first place. Why should someone be "entitled" to tap me like that with no return consideration? Would they like it if I got myself a license and stuck my ads up next to their businesses in their sim, and sucked their customers away? Especially if we competed against one another for the same types of customers. Now, I am all for competition in the market place, but do we have to be THAT low and sleazy to get a little more business? Does that justify tossing all sense of ethics and fair play out the window?

Some people might argue "that's the way it works in Real Life (tm), so why not?". Not everything in Real Life is necessarily good, nor needs to have ANY representation at all in Second Life.

Ciaran,

My objection stems from the idea that nobody, especially me, is going to want someone else's ads in their front yards, any more than anybody wants "ad farms" in their front yards now. Porno cube, Christian cube, cute billboard, tacky billboard, billboard with porno on it, billboard with kittens on it. It's all the same to me. They are pigs with and without lipstick. (Current American politics joke).

Are you talking about my posters with landmarks and teleporters at my rental hubs? Those are directions at a landing point for people who just clicked on a 12,000 L classified ad for apartment rentals. They cater to quite a more focused audience than a random ad sitting by itself on the grid. Most of them are actually indoors, too. Maybe I'm not understanding which ads you've seen? (I actually let the classified ad expire because my properties are almost full right now).

I recommend that the Lindens wipe out the ad farms now, and then form a committee, build a task force of concerned citizens, hire a consulting firm, and study the concept of ad licensing, and get back to us in 2016 with their findings.

...but never honest.

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Maybe we should be developing our loyalty to this planet and this Earth, our future, our descendants more than we should be governing political systems that have created all these problems. Most people are trying to find solutions to the problems but they are trying to do it within the confined abstraction of democracy.
~ John Trudell



Lets all get a grip and remember this is a virtual world that is not tangible.
You argue over pixels on a screen like two dogs over a dry bone.

I'll let you pay my tier for 5 mainland sims and 1 estate this month. It shouldn't be any bother for you since it's a lot of silly pixels.

Which brings me to another "Captain Obvious"-grade observation..

What is with the fascination with sticking to the RL model of putting ads over/next to roads? It's not like there are thousands of cars (let alone people) going by all the time. Arguably, there's far more direct P2PTP traffic, and even if people are traveling up and down roads, are they going so fast as to not even SEE the ads rez in the first place?

I imagine that there was some value with sticking ads in places where they couldn't be blocked from all sides, but assuming that LL is going to license advertisers, they will probably outlaw blocking builds even more then, and that justification doesn't wash.

So, what's left? What possible value judgment makes a "roadside" ad parcel worth it?

Personally, if LL is going to simply license some folks, hand them some basic rules, and say "go to town", they effectively become Linden-sanctioned spam, and LL should offer residents in each region the option of a vote to opt-out, and have the region declared a "no ad zone" if the majority votes that way.

I agree. When I had about 1/2 of the southern part Mocis Region, I had protected Ocean, Road and Railroad land on up to 5 sides of the parcel, since the road crossed the railroad. I had that land for more than 1 1/2 year and spend a lot of time there and rarely were avies driving down the road (or walking/flying) and the train, well it hardly every works anyway.

I think people avoid the roads now because of all the ad farms.

But no questions were answered. Potty mouth name callers rule. Jack afraid to eject them. So I will post my questions here, where they won’t get answered again.


1 Can I sell items on small plots(concierge said yes what do u say JACK!)

2 How big of an Item can I put for sale on a small plot?

3 How small of a plot can I use for a shop if more then 1 item on multiple small plots is considered spam?

4 If I open multiple shops on 512 sqm plots can i place a sign for the shop on each? Naming the Shop!


LL we can play this game all day. I pay for prims with tier. I have the right to use those prims which I pay for. Small object on plots are not a nuisance. They afford me the ability to pay tier. Say no to any questions Fine. But the same answer shall be enforced upon all members of the community equally. Someone at LL needs to make a decision. Yes NO Maybe. It seems there is a total fear by personnel at LL to make a public statement due to liabilities either way. You cannot make a policy for one issue and change it for someone else. That is called discrimination. So write the policy add it to TOS and be done with it. Your job will be easier when residents know what to expect. then you can shift staff from ARS to actually making SL a better place!
Also, incase your bosses didn’t hear my proposal to allow new VERIFIABLE members a trial membership with a 512 plot for 2.99 a month I figure I will reiterate here for all the wonderful land barons here to see again. I will be pushing this. LL needs to grow real traffic in SL to ad customers not ALT accounts. So lets do it LL , do something positive. Instead of playing Ban Mongers all the time! And as for all you crybabies on here, if you don’t have anything to bring to the table here just Zip it! All your jabber jawing and name calling just show your lack of intelligence and wit. Which was also well apparent at are meeting tonight when a certain land baroness SN decided to use the CU#% word. Nice

So Jack the balls in your court I’m up for change just lay the Law and I follow it. But if you want respect you need to set precedent in you r meetings by maintaining order and ejecting foul mouthed insults. People come in there kissing your rear then disrespect you in you SL place of business. SHAMEFULL
Robo

So, the plan is to put a vendor script in the ad towers and call them vendors, leaving all other extortion tactics in place?

Nice suggestion but what would you have those new residents do when they need some extra prims for their discounted land - perhaps sell them some 16 sqm plots for 1995L each?

I still don't see why ANY microparcel advertisements should be allowed, period, for a moratorium period of at least six months. SL doesn't need microparcel ads any more than Usenet needs spam and email needs UBE.

I still don't see why ANY microparcel advertisements should be allowed, period, for a moratorium period of at least six months. SL doesn't need microparcel ads any more than Usenet needs spam and email needs UBE.
Many spammers have made a good living at spamming, too. Crime pays,if it didn't it wouldn't keep happening.

I still don't see why ANY microparcel advertisements should be allowed, period, for a moratorium period of at least six months. SL doesn't need microparcel ads any more than Usenet needs spam and email needs UBE.
Many spammers have made a good living at spamming, too. Crime pays,if it didn't it wouldn't keep happening.
You could call it "first land". How ever did you think of that? You're such a visionary it's almost like you can see into the past!

NO THE PLAN IS TO PUT THE ACTUAL ITEM ON THE LAND AND SELL IT. NO ADS. lm SPINNIES, GLOWS AND NO c WORDS. YOU KNOW i REALLY GOT TO BITE MY TONGUE TO REMAIN PROFESSIONAL HERE. DOES ANYONE HAVE SOME WAYS TO MAKE SL BETTER, BEFORE THE WHOLE ECONOMY IS FLUSHED LIKE THE SUCCESSFUL SIMS ONLINE!!!

What a surprise, when you piss off enough people over a period of months and years a few of them do stupid things to retaliate. Next thing you'll reveal the shocking news that sometimes pimps get beaten up by vigilantes.

It really does make a difference who started it. If a few vigilantes find themselves penalized along with the spammers, so be it. The people who created the situation that led to a few people acting hypocritically are still the ones responsible for that situation.

I've bought adplots; I've never said otherwise. However, I don't pay the EXTORTION prices for them. Most I ever paid was L$20/sqm, and that was before I got involved with the Ad Zoo.



I couldn't take them down if I wanted to; it's not even my site. However, I have no reason to hide my words. *I* didn't put up the buylines, nor did I endorse it "with a wink". I happened to agree with Esther, when it was brought up later, but we have no control over what people do. It is and was a coalition of people coming together with their own ways of fighting the Blight. My concern in that chat log was genuine; as long as they weren't harassing the REAL neighbors, and only using them as a tool for fighting the adfarmers, that's their call.

What do you think a WAR is all about anyway? When the government fails you, you take up arms and slug it out at the same level as your enemy. The DIFFERENCE is that we cared about how other people felt; something adfarmers couldn't trouble themselves over if their lives depended on it.

When it comes down to brass tacks, you have to consider motivations. We are motivated to help rid the grid of the Blight, helping other residents fight and resist as well, for the benefit of all. Adfarmers and extortionists are motivated by MONEY, for the sole benefit of THEMSELVES. Yeah. Lots of real concern for others showing there.

I DONT WANT TO HEAR HOW YOUR GOING TO SAVE THE PLANET WITH IT EITHER!

THESE SAME HYPOCRITS ARE WAITING TO GET A LICENSE SO THEY CAN CHARGE EXTOTIONIST LEVEL RATES FOR ADS BECAUSE THE LICENSES WILL BE LIMITED!
JUST REMEBER 300 PER SQM IS FAIR IN BAY CITY MAYBE YOU CAN CHARGE MORE FOR AN AD THERE TOO!
ANYONE HEAR THEM CHATTING BEFORE I SHOWED AND THEY WENT PRIVATE. lol -CHUMPS

AS WAS LICKING BOOTS AND TELLING EVERYONE HOW GREAT HIS ADS ARE EVEN THO HES THE O.G. OF ADFARMERS AND ALL OF ARBOR HATES HIM TOO.


ROBO
UR LAND UR LACK OF IMAGINATION OUR $$

AND ILL SELL THEM AN ADPLOT !

HAD TO ASK, AND DONT SAY SAVE THE TREES!

Gee I was barely able to attend the meeting and I could follow Jack's answer's to you repeating the same question over and over. The spam and trying to bait people into name calling was far more disrespectful than anything else.

For those who asked it yet still missed it, it will be in Jacks post (hopefully soon) but at least by Friday. It also sounded like there will be Lindens who will look at items that may be in question in order to assist people.

I WAS HERE THEN TOO BUDDY. YES BUT ALL YOU LAND THIEVES OUT THERE CREATED ALTS TO STEAL IT. THATS THE WHOLE PURPOSE TO VERIFY NEW TRIAL USERS WITH ID OR WHATEVER. AND I SAID TRIAL OF 2.99 WITH LAND. DIDNT SAY LL HAD TO PAY FOR IT. DIDNT SAY THEY COULDNT. 2.99 IS CHEAPER THEN THE CURRENT 9.95 A NOOB PAYS FOR A 512 RIGHT. THIS WOULD MAKE THIS PROGRAM DIFFERENT THEN 1ST LAND.... FREE 1ST LAND FOR NOOBS WOULD BE GOOD TOO. BUT BUILDING STABLE CUSTOMER BASE SO RESIDENTS HAVE TIME TO ENJOY(MAYBE GET ADDICTED) EXPERIECE IS WHATS NEEDED, SAY A 1 YEAR TRIAL WITH 512 IN TIER... SO WHAT IDEAS DO U BRING TO THE TABLE.. SHOW ME SOMETHING REALLY COOL!!! LOL

DEFINITION OF SPAM HERE http://spam.abuse.net/overview/whatisspam.shtml. ALSO STATES RECEIVER OR CARRIER PAYS COST NOT SENDER. I WISH THIS WAS THE CASE I WOULD SEND YOU MY TIER BILL. IF YOU DONT LIKE MY SHUTTERS DONT LOOK AT MY HOUSE, IF YOU DONT LIKE MY AD STAY OFF MY VIRTUAL LAND1

ahh Talurus... yes it was your wink..and yes u did endorse it by your comment. That is very clear.
I don't care about your justifications the facts remain... "buy access lines" are one of the things that people have raged in this thread about, and a group you are a very active member in, endorses them, uses them, and when given the chance... you did nothing about it but wink... despite one of the group clearly stating the obvious hypocricy.
I note one of the other group members has 315 plots across the grid and is charging as high as $10 a metre for a 512. I wonder... is he a part of the group solely so he can extort advertisers and other buyers out and raise his prices even further? Maybe you are a pawn in his game?

PS i am up to S in my alphabetical list..yes i have my adverts still up - some of em - but at least i am being pro-active ahead of timeline (and was before the warnings - see previous posts). Remember it was a legal form of advertising and i wasn't trying to extort - simply advertise. By the end of today i hope to have em all down.