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Joannah Benelli
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09-08-2008 16:04
From: Elder Sittingbull
Seriously... get a RL

That's exactly the same trollism I see in every non-SL forum when Second Life is coming up. "I have a RL, that's enough" or "Get a RL first". In your case i'd like to say: get a Second Life first!
Elder Sittingbull
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wow the IQ is killing me
09-08-2008 16:15
There is no solution. LL is in business to make money and will do what is best for LL.

Didn't take long for the really smart ones to pump up the IQ in here.

Lots of virtual girlie mouth and smack talking as usual.

Sorry I didn't respond faster. I was logged into the RL grid.

Whats next?
Ewan Mureaux
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09-08-2008 16:32
From: Elder Sittingbull
There is no solution. LL is in business to make money and will do what is best for LL.

Didn't take long for the really smart ones to pump up the IQ in here.

Lots of virtual girlie mouth and smack talking as usual.

Sorry I didn't respond faster. I was logged into the RL grid.

Whats next?


The cycle of no u





I find it worrying you actively have to "log in" to rl. Some might argue that is a really retarded turn of phrase.
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Elder Sittingbull
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Cool
09-08-2008 16:57
From: Ewan Mureaux
The cycle of no u





I find it worrying you actively have to "log in" to rl. Some might argue that is a really retarded turn of phrase.



How much time did it take you to think that up?

10 more IQ points to this thread.

Yeay

By the way, I was being sarcastic. Makes me worry you took it literally.

Those who fling dirt lose ground grasshopper.

Take it easy virtual peeps....
GnuSense Shepherd
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09-08-2008 17:07
For those that may not be familiar with GnuSense Marketing (GM), it is a network of billboards solely on roadside protected land. GM offers free parcel exchanges to residents as we understand how builds change frequently. In some cases, we have removed the billboard entirely if the theme of the region is not matched by the billboards presence. Each customer is handled respectfully and we do what we can, within reason, to make it work for everyone. GM is offered locations to place a billboard and we receive compliments on a regular basis.

GM continues to comply with SecondLife's TOS, The Advertisers Guild (TAG) code of ethics, as well as all of the new potential rules as posted by Ordinal Malaprop and Jack Linden. We do this not because we have to, but because we need to. We encourage other companies to follow our example and with some progress, we have made a difference. However, due to the many avatars that sought advertising in this manner without thought of design or impact of the region, it has become a nuisance and ineffective. The new regulations and licensing for advertising in multiple regions is definitely welcomed.

Thank you Jack Linden for the weekly meetings, research, thought and care put into this fragile situation. One concern GM has is whether the new licensing will be administered prior to the October 1st deadline to remove unlicensed advertising. We hope that we can make the appropriate changes prior to removing the current network.

GnuSense Shepherd
Kara Spengler
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09-08-2008 17:40
From: GnuSense Shepherd
For those that may not be familiar with GnuSense Marketing (GM), it is a network of billboards solely on roadside protected land. GM offers free parcel exchanges to residents as we understand how builds change frequently. In some cases, we have removed the billboard entirely if the theme of the region is not matched by the billboards presence. Each customer is handled respectfully and we do what we can, within reason, to make it work for everyone. GM is offered locations to place a billboard and we receive compliments on a regular basis.

GM continues to comply with SecondLife's TOS, The Advertisers Guild (TAG) code of ethics, as well as all of the new potential rules as posted by Ordinal Malaprop and Jack Linden. We do this not because we have to, but because we need to. We encourage other companies to follow our example and with some progress, we have made a difference. However, due to the many avatars that sought advertising in this manner without thought of design or impact of the region, it has become a nuisance and ineffective. The new regulations and licensing for advertising in multiple regions is definitely welcomed.

Thank you Jack Linden for the weekly meetings, research, thought and care put into this fragile situation. One concern GM has is whether the new licensing will be administered prior to the October 1st deadline to remove unlicensed advertising. We hope that we can make the appropriate changes prior to removing the current network.

GnuSense Shepherd


Oh, you mean that pillar next to me that was a ridiculously-priced (20,000 lindens I think) 16 m2 until the policy shift about selling and advertising at the same time? Yeah I AR'ed your group on February 14 (aren't records wonderful?) because I had been monitoring that insane parcel price and it never varied but 'miraculously' went not-for-sale on the day of the policy change.

Apologies if it was someone else, but when the ads on that pillar stayed the same I am going to go out on a limb that you have always owned it.
Fia Tyne
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09-08-2008 17:44
From: GnuSense Shepherd
For those that may not be familiar with GnuSense Marketing (GM), it is a network of billboards solely on roadside protected land... We hope that we can make the appropriate changes prior to removing the current network.

GnuSense Shepherd

It is still spam. The ONLY valid place where network advertising should be allow is on large private plots -- inside clubs and stores who privately contract for it.

It is still ugly, it still destroys the environment. Small plots with ads should be eliminated, no exceptions.

Sympathy factor: 0

(I have been driven out of 2 previous properties when a neighboring plot got chopped up for ads. Even if you think the behavior is ethical, rarely do these chopped up plots become unchopped).
Elder Sittingbull
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Expected
09-08-2008 19:02
I had a feeling good ole Gnu would get the shaft from the girlie mouths.

Sorry dude. I think you are pretty professional.

But do not expect to keep your business.
They do not intend to allow current advertisers to get a license or allow ANY of the current board designs.

Money
Control
Money
Control

Enjoy your dictated SL.

Pretty cool to pay to be told what to do eh? Enjoy.

Twinity went beta live recently. ;)
AfroduckFromPC Brim
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09-08-2008 19:15
I think this thread should have ended about 10 pages back. Everything that's going to be expressed has been, in some cases many times over.
Elder Sittingbull
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Other virtual user created worlds...
09-08-2008 19:38
http://www.myspace.com/spore
Dytska Vieria
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09-08-2008 20:03
From: Elder Sittingbull


Can I have your stuff?
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ROBO Marx
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AHHH I read you like a book!!
09-08-2008 20:04
From: Joshua Philgarlic
It's a hole without any doubt:

Sleep tight!!!
JubJub Forder
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09-08-2008 20:06
Be interesting to see if the Lindens go thru this thread and AR all the name callers and accusers.
Remember til now advertising on small plots was allowed..and not all do it unethically.

However Name calling/abuse, harassment, and libelous comments are not allowed under TOS..and those doing it are just as unethical as the people they accuse.

As an instance i know one AV in here posting abuse at advertisers - and he buys ad plots on multiple sims and erects "i hate adfarms" signs on em..and encourages others via his profile to enclose (harass) any "ad farmer". But yet somehow doesn't see that his ugly signs are advertising his opinion?

Network advertisers are not the main problem - some are very professional.
Extortion via pseudo-ads, banlines, enclosing others land, and other tactics are the real problem.
And then there's the people who despite buying in an uncontrolled areas - insist they have a right to determine whats ugly in their vision range. One poster complained that children might see a sex ad (ignoring that children aren't allowed in SL)... another that ads were outside the bedroom window.. and others that ads shouldn't be in residential regions..this is Mainland its not residential! Its Uncovenanted.

It's actually quite disheartening to see how many people falsely accuse to justify their positions, or just vent illogical abuse... i only hope that the more respectful people are too busy actually playing the game and having fun than to bother with reading this thread.

Dear Mr Linden.. about time you close this thread eh? I'm only going to get more abuse, and so will anyone who dares offer alternative opinions to the haters :(
ROBO Marx
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So you can profit and no one else can!!
09-08-2008 20:10
From: Talarus Luan
*shrug* Well, I am not alone in thinking it was a good move, and I am glad they gave us the full discount all at once.

LL land isn't really "property". It's a service. It has no intrinsic value outside of what you do with it. If LL gets rid of the $1000 setup fee tomorrow, I know plenty of people who are 100% good with it, INCLUDING current region owners. Most places that do the exact same thing (webserver rentals) already either have low or no setup fees. It is not inconceivable that LL will eventually go to that model themselves.

In short, if you are buying regions to speculate on the value of the region by itself, you're setting yourself up for loss. That's not a wise business model and why I consider anyone who has problems with the up-front price going down only focused on the short-term gain aspects of region buying/selling (aka "flipping";), since that business model lives or dies on the margins of the sale. No one else who uses their regions should really be too worried about it.



It isnt really land Hmm sounds familiar. Sounds pretty obvious now too. Whats your linden name TL
Dytska Vieria
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09-08-2008 20:13
From: Esther Merryman
This is the sort of behavior that lead me to refer to him as a grubby little man.

not as name calling per say but to show his thought process is grubby if people see what I meant.


Well, Robo came by, and didn't level the land to make it even with the rest of the terrain, but that is his prerogative and I suppose that is expected... He did have time to change the ownership of the land from himself to some other group.

Robo, I'm disappointed in you. I offer you a toilet and you don't even use it. You could have shown some sincerity that you are willing to work with residents and LL, but instead you choose the way you have always been.
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ROBO Marx
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Give It Up Dytska
09-08-2008 20:15
From: Dytska Vieria
Not at all! I am very sincere that I would like his crater hole repaired so it blends with the surroundings like it did when he just had the ban lines. When he was forced to remove the ban lines by LL a month ago, he did come by and put them away, but sunk the 32 sqm parcel at the same time, and for what reason?

I am just asking. I will inform everyone if he is nice about it :)

Your dreaming or just lying, I never touched the ground. You can have it b4 a licensed advertiser gets it though. $L4999 for you.
ROBO Marx
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Not grubby and far from little :')
09-08-2008 20:17
From: Esther Merryman
This is the sort of behavior that lead me to refer to him as a grubby little man.

not as name calling per say but to show his thought process is grubby if people see what I meant.[/QUOT

But anyway what did i tell you about opening your mouth when you have nothing to contribute.
ROBO Marx
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Ok now I know your full of it
09-08-2008 20:28
From: Dytska Vieria
Well, Robo came by, and didn't level the land to make it even with the rest of the terrain, but that is his prerogative and I suppose that is expected... He did have time to change the ownership of the land from himself to some other group.

Robo, I'm disappointed in you. I offer you a toilet and you don't even use it. You could have shown some sincerity that you are willing to work with residents and LL, but instead you choose the way you have always been.

Your girfirend joshua was trying to buy it from me for a quote unquote ad net. Listed arbor/TD lover wants to buy a CS ad plot. Then even says good night when he/she logs off like were buddies. LOL Reason for my last post... Its a CS highly valuable adplot in my eyes. Take it or leave. Its business not personal. Im not too concerned about the hole I didnt put it there im not changing it. you could of asked nicley instead of posting bull on here about what i did to it. I would of came right by and leveled it off. Now you can look at a hole until a lic Advert comes and puts a billboard in it.

Good Night

Robo
Dytska Vieria
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09-08-2008 20:28
From: ROBO Marx
Your dreaming or just lying, I never touched the ground. You can have it b4 a licensed advertiser gets it though. $L4999 for you.


No thanks, that is way too much!

Toilet has been replaced with a tombstone.
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09-08-2008 20:33
From: JubJub Forder
One poster complained that children might see a sex ad (ignoring that children aren't allowed in SL)... another that ads were outside the bedroom window..


Are you saying that children can't be in the room while mom or dad is playing SL, and keeping their avatar during that time on their own parcel?
JubJub Forder
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09-08-2008 20:37
lol see what i mean?
Dytska Vieria are you seriously suggesting that your self- interest is more important than any other persons?
You may not like Robo's business methods but he works with the system provided to make money... its called Capitalism and Freedom.
If beautifying the landscape was the main aim of all this..then there is many newbie and amateur buildings that would be banned
And i'm not surprised he adopts such tactics when people offer such abuse as Esthers and yours.

PS i'm not waiting for deadlines and i'm up to sims starting with F (clearing my ads off) If you have one of my plots nearby you wish to grab please IM me (without abuse please). Else please be patient its taking days of work.
ROBO Marx
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Good point
09-08-2008 20:39
From: JubJub Forder
Be interesting to see if the Lindens go thru this thread and AR all the name callers and accusers.
Remember til now advertising on small plots was allowed..and not all do it unethically.

However Name calling/abuse, harassment, and libelous comments are not allowed under TOS..and those doing it are just as unethical as the people they accuse.

As an instance i know one AV in here posting abuse at advertisers - and he buys ad plots on multiple sims and erects "i hate adfarms" signs on em..and encourages others via his profile to enclose (harass) any "ad farmer". But yet somehow doesn't see that his ugly signs are advertising his opinion?

Network advertisers are not the main problem - some are very professional.
Extortion via pseudo-ads, banlines, enclosing others land, and other tactics are the real problem.
And then there's the people who despite buying in an uncontrolled areas - insist they have a right to determine whats ugly in their vision range. One poster complained that children might see a sex ad (ignoring that children aren't allowed in SL)... another that ads were outside the bedroom window.. and others that ads shouldn't be in residential regions..this is Mainland its not residential! Its Uncovenanted.

It's actually quite disheartening to see how many people falsely accuse to justify their positions, or just vent illogical abuse... i only hope that the more respectful people are too busy actually playing the game and having fun than to bother with reading this thread.

Dear Mr Linden.. about time you close this thread eh? I'm only going to get more abuse, and so will anyone who dares offer alternative opinions to the haters :(



I think Ill just AR everyones house I dont like, along with everything they build. See the correlation LL. No of course not the plot is to take over the ad biz, Not to get rid of it. LOL

have a nice SL. Your world your lack of imagination-----


Sorry for bloviating the hatred some have here is just funny i thought Id give them something else to get mad about. !!!!!! WAHWAH WAH Robos still here and so is Johnny!
Talarus Luan
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09-08-2008 20:39
From: ROBO Marx
It isnt really land Hmm sounds familiar. Sounds pretty obvious now too. Whats your linden name TL


Why, Talarus Linden, of course!

I may change my last name, but I will NEVER change my initials. Just so you can remember them easier, Robo. :D
ROBO Marx
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Lol
09-08-2008 20:39
From: Talarus Luan
Why, Talarus Linden, of course!

I may change my last name, but I will NEVER change my initials. Just so you can remember them easier, Robo. :D

Good One!!
Shimada Yoshikawa
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16M auction
09-08-2008 20:41
From: TraderJohn Susa
I believe the add farm ban will be great for SL. Just curious as to why a 16sq/m lot was auctioned off the other day? Would it be better to support your decision by also banning auctions of less that 256 sq/m?



That was actually sold to me because I requested it be put on sale. It was part of the Chiron ad farm, not anymore :-) But you know someone actually tried to outbid me on it? I had to pay like 519$L to Lindens for a 16M lot! Because I couldn't buy it for 1$L per sqm.
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