Feedback on Ad Farm post

First off I dont waste my time cratering plots and I rarely level them off after people raise their property around it.(hmmm) If you wanted to buy the piece to run a sucessful advertising network, I would suspect that you would pay that much or more considering the future profit potential. Otherwise just leave it there until an advertiser does buy it.

****Better get a license first!

ROBO

Hey Carl, that was very interesting. Were you able to dig up any more on this? Its interesting to read everybody's opinions on what LL should and shouldn't do...but ultimately we have to see what LL takes away from it all and ends up doing. Do you know where we could get any more "official" info on this?

First off I dont waste my time cratering plots and I rarely level them off after people raise their property around it.(hmmm) If you wanted to buy the piece to run a sucessful advertising network, I would suspect that you would pay that much or more considering the future profit potential. Otherwise just leave it there until an advertiser does buy it.

I'm sorry, but running empty auction websites and morally bankrupt virtual real estate and casino scam operations don't qualify as "businesses".



No, the word "golddigger" comes to mind, actually.



RL companies have already come.. and gone. People don't want their adspam any more than they want yours.



Oh, I am sure that there is some starry-eyed sucker business out there who can be sold a worthless bill of goods like that, but you're going to be waiting a LONG time to find them.



I am afraid the concept is too pathetic for laughter. More just slowly shake my head and walk away. It's not even in the same ballpark as someone decrying a virtual world. At least people WANT a virtual world. What was denied was that it could be done in a useful and sustainable way.



I'm afraid no one is going to see SL as an advertising venue worthy of the money put into the SuperBowl. Just isn't going to happen. Hell, if it was going to, it would have already.



Yeah, that's the problem Robo. You see people as "chumps" to line your pockets with "change". As far as the ads increasing business, I didn't see any statistics in what he said, just "sales went up", but by what percentage, compared to classifieds, affiliate network ads, Search, SLX ads, etc. Hardly a scientific analysis of their effectiveness. If I sell 100 products a month, put up 10 microparcel ads, and sales go up to 102 products a month, that's hardly above a statistical noise level.



Plenty of others who realize that SL is a perfect playground for golddiggers? Probably. You get joked on in blogs because your attitude and actions betray your true intentions and motivations, which ARE truly pathetic. I have no idea what Praetor Janus, Desmond Shang, Bart Heart, or Anshe Chung makes on their estate businesses, but I will bet my fangs that it is a HELL of a lot more than you ever have. At least their businesses are REAL businesses.

You can make the same money off of destroying other people's property values, view, and land, harassing them to the point of buying your overpriced plots? You mean that CRIME REALLY DOES PAY??? Wow! Who'da thunk it?

Robo, the adfarmer business model is OVER. DONE. FINITE. Stick a fork in it and focus on doing something constructive with your life for a change. Or don't. I really don't care one way or another. However, we're not going to let LL continue to allow you to ruin SL for the rest of us no matter how much you kick, scream, whine, complain, or try to sell yourself as "legitimate". You and the rest of the parasites out there. If that means you will end up permabanned someday, hey, no scales off my back.



Oh please. In the height of your day, before the February policy, you had one of your SLBayAuction towers on EVERY 16 in sight. In my sim alone, you had more than 10 of the damn things. Don't even TRY to whitewash your past.



Read: "I'm looking for any loophole I think I can get away with to keep business as usual."



If that "neighbor" (and I use that term loosely, as someone who has a microplot, especially one that is grossly overpriced, is NOT my "neighbor" has that plot there in a strategically awkward place for my home or business, and it serves no other purpose for being there, then that plot should be removed by the Lindens.

Neighbors don't look to extort and harass one another. It is one thing to have a REAL plot, one which has a home or business on it, one which has a REAL purpose, and price it to sell at some ridiculous price. It is a COMPLETLY different thing for someone to have a microplot, which serves no purpose other than obstruct people (via banlines and being cut out of a rectangular plot, esp as a donut hole), harass people (via exceptionally spammy adtowers), or otherwise extort people.

As an Estate Manager, I would never allow such a travesty to begin with. You misuse the land (or abuse your neighbors) like that, I would repossess your land and either give it, or sell it at market value to the neighbors to reclaim and warning you to NEVER do it again. If you did it again, you'd be banned from the estate in perpetuity.



As I pointed out above, when it comes to land with a REAL purpose, I don't care what they set their price at. However, some microplot which SPECIFICALLY has been cut and placed strategically to harass, extort, or obstruct the neighbors needs to go away, and the people who make them need to go away, too.

1 Ad per sim per company or avatar, that simple.

There are two ways to change the behavior of the crowd, one is by punishing unwanted behavior and the other is by rewarding desired behavior.

We are not in your Spelling contest!!

Its the model I stick too in SL that has helped to propel my business, how’s your business doing here? I guess you didn’t advertise.

Thumbs down Hey TL howd it feel when LL devalued all your Estates $600. Same thing here!

You’ll understand what s going on here soon TL. Keep running those estates at $25 a month profit each, while LL devalues them to nothing.

You know you can buy a whole region on open simulator for $89.(including 1st month tier)

What will people do when they can tp from VW to VW. Certainly not pay $1000 for a private SL estate! SL will flourish and you estate owners will be probably be crushed , all while working for almost free now! That’s a great business model, do all LL work for less money. The connection of virtual worlds will basically make SL ML the hub. Their main objective will be to build registered users, so that there advertising value increases.

*****Take note when most websites are bought its due to traffic not due to how great they claim to be. Why you ask? Because all those users equal future advertising revenue.

No wonder I have you muted!

I have a solution..
Why not change the SL vieuwe a little.
So when you MUTE an object, it becomes invissible?? Like Alpha Textures..??

So if ads annoy you, you just mute them.. and you dont see them anymore!

This is a cheaper solution for LL and for all the residents of SL.

Advertising works, but it has to be done in a responsible way, just like RL. I don't keep stats on my sales increases after using billboards, but it was roughly a 5000 to 10,000$L difference per week from using a half dozen roadside billboards. I have met some Ad Network owners who actually keep stats on the sales using scripted banners. I'll see if I can get one to come join the discussion. I think their feedback would be helpful.

I’m focusing on the day LL gets this thing moving and RL companies are begging for a presence. Maybe it will never happen, but all I have invested are lindens and some of my time.....

If you neighbor listed their house for 1 million and you think its only worth $350,000, what would you do? Probably laugh at him with all the other neighbors. Until he sold it, then you would sell yours for $1,000,000 too.

Personally, I loved it. Made buying new regions and expanding so much cheaper.

The only people worried about "devaluation" from prices going down are those who were only looking to make a buck by flipping regions. The rest of us, who USE our regions to conduct business were not bothered in the least. We loved it.

Speak for yourself, I hated it and I've never engaged in flipping regions and I'm sure as hell not alone in that

I thought they handled it very very badly.

What percentage increase is that, and how does it compare against all other forms of advertising you use?

I think you will find that, while it *may* increase your sales somewhat, it won't compare favorably to other forms of non-intrusive advertisement, and is definitely not worth it being seen as harassing and intrusive by the neighbors.

Personally, I don't buy anything from such advertising, and advise friends and neighbors also to avoid patronizing such businesses who use that model. I realize that you do seem to care about others, and if Rem sticks up for you, that's a feather in your cap. However, I don't condone that advertising model in any way, shape, or form, and would fight against it being anywhere near my home or place of business, regardless of whom it was.

Now, if you want to *pay* me to put advertisements in my mall or stores, that's fine, we can work out a deal. But subsuming eyeballs that *I* and my neighbors worked hard to attract just won't be tolerated, let alone appreciated.

It's a hole without any doubt:

I told you I don't keep stats. I spend over 8000$L a week using the Linden Classifieds with some success. 6 ad lots cost me less than 5000$L (some are 32sqm) and I own them, so no weekly charge. That 5000$ was recouped the first day and it's all profit after that.

No offense, but I think I'm a better judge of what is working for my business than you are.
And as I explained in my earlier posts, I work WITH my neighbors and I am always willing to move or rebuild my ads so they don't devalue anyone else's property.

Well, fortunately not everyone is like you. Question for you. How do you advertise in SL and how is it working for you? Because I have found from experience. No advertising = No business.

Why would I want to pay you to advertise in your mall? Lol I have plenty of my own malls I can advertise in. The IDEA is to get more people INTO your mall by advertising all over the place.

And you can actually vote for it ... http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/VWR-1017

*shrug* Well, I am not alone in thinking it was a good move, and I am glad they gave us the full discount all at once.

LL land isn't really "property". It's a service. It has no intrinsic value outside of what you do with it. If LL gets rid of the $1000 setup fee tomorrow, I know plenty of people who are 100% good with it, INCLUDING current region owners. Most places that do the exact same thing (webserver rentals) already either have low or no setup fees. It is not inconceivable that LL will eventually go to that model themselves.

In short, if you are buying regions to speculate on the value of the region by itself, you're setting yourself up for loss. That's not a wise business model and why I consider anyone who has problems with the up-front price going down only focused on the short-term gain aspects of region buying/selling (aka "flipping", since that business model lives or dies on the margins of the sale. No one else who uses their regions should really be too worried about it.