Age Verification is here!!
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Chiman Fassbinder
LV CEO/Terminal Radio CEO
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08-29-2007 12:11
From: Rhaorth Antonelli ahh nope I just manage a couple sims
dang and I was gonna verify myself
*shrug* oh well actually at the moment the only reason they are trying is to make sure it actually work and the concierge members are the guineepigs. I really haven't checked to see if there is even the option to "tick" adult land yet. I would assume that its not even implemented yet as that only concierge would be able to access it.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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Join date: 15 Apr 2006
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08-29-2007 12:11
From: Lindal Kidd Mr. Linden, I HAVE a telephone, and I HAVE email already. And they cost less and operate more reliably than Second Life, when I want to communicate with a Real Person. SL's uniqueness is its alternate reality aspect...the name says it all. When LL forgets that, SL is dead.
I dunno about you but my telephone is not free (email is but not the phone) SL is free for those who CHOOSE to not pay for premium people can live in SL play in SL shop etc without it ever costing anything (other than the net access which I am sure they already have) *shrug*
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Raudf Fox
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08-29-2007 12:12
From: Chiman Fassbinder Own a sim? If not then thats why, its for members that own private sims atm. Untill its out of "beta" Which means.. the rest of us are screwed if LL does something extremely stupid (which means it's likely) like restricting us from the mature content, although it does seem like those that are concierge are paying to be guinea pigs. I thought that's what the FREE accounts were for 
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Cristalle Karami
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08-29-2007 12:13
From: Chiman Fassbinder actually at the moment the only reason they are trying is to make sure it actually work and the concierge members are the guineepigs. I really haven't checked to see if there is even the option to "tick" adult land yet. I would assume that its not even implemented yet as that only concierge would be able to access it. They are using the "mature" flag that is already built into About Land. I agree with previous posters, an object-based system would be better.
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Ciaran Laval
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Join date: 11 Mar 2007
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08-29-2007 12:14
From: Broccoli Curry I wonder why this wasn't announced at the SLCC? After all, it's a big 'step forward' in their thinking... so what better a place to break it to the playerbase?
How old did you have to be to go to the SLCC and who verified those ages?
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Nika Talaj
now you see her ...
Join date: 2 Jan 2007
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08-29-2007 12:15
From: Cristalle Karami They are using the "mature" flag that is already built into About Land. I agree with previous posters, an object-based system would be better. I thought there would be a separate "restricted" flag, and assumed that its defaut setting (even in Mature parcels) would be "off". Do you know if use of the Mature flag is just for beta?
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Hypatia Callisto
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Join date: 8 Feb 2006
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08-29-2007 12:17
From: Nika Talaj I thought there would be a separate "restricted" flag, and assumed that its defaut setting (even in Mature parcels) would be "off". Do you know if use of the Mature flag is just for beta? There is a mature flag in your about land settings, but it's working for the classified ads atm. No idea if its going to work also with the age verification system.
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Broccoli Curry
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08-29-2007 12:18
From: Ciaran Laval How old did you have to be to go to the SLCC and who verified those ages? Theoretically over 18 (due to SL's nature as a theoretically over 18 game), and as far as I know there were no checks whatsoever.
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Chiman Fassbinder
LV CEO/Terminal Radio CEO
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08-29-2007 12:19
From: Raudf Fox Which means.. the rest of us are screwed if LL does something extremely stupid (which means it's likely) like restricting us from the mature content, although it does seem like those that are concierge are paying to be guinea pigs. I thought that's what the FREE accounts were for  just makes me think of the lovely little comment I have used so many times. The wheel is spinning but the hamster is dead.
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Raudf Fox
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08-29-2007 12:20
From: Chiman Fassbinder just makes me think of the lovely little comment I have used so many times.
The wheel is spinning but the hamster is dead. No argument here. I think that hamster is starting to stink 
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Malachi Petunia
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08-29-2007 12:25
From: someone Age verification is a way for [LL] to protect themselves... Much as with the asinine Department of Homeland Security policies, it isn't so much an issue of actually keeping minors off the grid as it is to allow LL to say "hey, we tried". Because as a former minor in this fair nation, I - of course - never had access to porn, alcohol, pot, or evolutionary theory. I'm glad the laws protected me from all of that.
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Chiman Fassbinder
LV CEO/Terminal Radio CEO
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08-29-2007 12:25
From: Raudf Fox No argument here. I think that hamster is starting to stink  LL's Fix To Hamster Stink = 2 cans of febreze, a plastic bag and a fan, just don't forget the duct tape, that fixes everything
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Cristalle Karami
Lady of the House
Join date: 4 Dec 2006
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08-29-2007 12:27
From: Nika Talaj I thought there would be a separate "restricted" flag, and assumed that its defaut setting (even in Mature parcels) would be "off". Do you know if use of the Mature flag is just for beta? I understood that the mature flag was going to serve this purpose, but that the actual age verification hadn't kicked in yet. Now that it's here, in beta, the mature flag will get full use. Land doesn't need a separate, redundant mature flag.
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Yumi Murakami
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08-29-2007 12:28
Concierge users are probably going first because that will encompass 99% of in-world landlords.
I am not quite as worried about the "real life vs. alternate reality" issue, though. The experience of the real life companies who entered SL shows that customers just won't _accept_ a world that doesn't offer an alternate reality experience.
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Hypatia Callisto
metadea
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08-29-2007 12:30
From: Cristalle Karami I understood that the mature flag was going to serve this purpose, but that the actual age verification hadn't kicked in yet. Now that it's here, in beta, the mature flag will get full use. Land doesn't need a separate, redundant mature flag. repeat. Its for the classified ads. repeat. classifieds. repeat. classifieds.  The mature rating on sims is another thing entirely. (although LL has said that they may eventually retire it) The about land settings mature content rating is for classified ads at the present time, to rate them mature or not.
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Walker Moore
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08-29-2007 12:36
From: Lisa Huet I own almost 1/2 a sim of mature land and yes adult things go on there, so basically it looks like I either have to spend almost £70 (or $140 USD) on a passport just for this or sell my land and probably end up quitting sl.
I'd bet money you wouldn't quit SL. (At William Hill of course.  ) I dumped more land than that during last November's bungled private island price increases, and although I've taken months off here and there, I still kept coming back. SL just went from 'essential' to 'occasional entertainment'. But then I bought land again a few weeks ago and back to square one. From: Lisa Huet I don't really want to quit sl, so it looks like i'll be forced into age verification at a cost to me of £70, basically that's like having to pay double my 1/2 sim tier for a month! Ok i get a passport out of it, but will i use it before it expires? unlikely  Get a provisional driving licence then. £45 pounds. Actually no, don't even do that. Pay a visit to Linden Village during somebody's office hours (see schedule at http://tinyurl.com/38eq5m) and demand they assist your verification some other way. I'm sure Robin Linden said during a meeting some months back that they would do this for those having problems. Maybe there are other options available to UK users. I requested feedback from UK concierge members earlier in this thread but have yet to receive a response. It actually makes no sense to demand driver's license or passport information from British citizens because it's not available on a public database for anybody to cross-check (other than specific government or police agents).
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Kevyn Hienke
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08-29-2007 12:42
From: Cristalle Karami I understood that the mature flag was going to serve this purpose, but that the actual age verification hadn't kicked in yet. Now that it's here, in beta, the mature flag will get full use. Land doesn't need a separate, redundant mature flag. According to the blog: From: someone Land owners will find a check box in their land management tools that they will be able to check if they have restricted content on their land. To find this, in the Second Life viewer, go to World > About Land > Options. There’s a check box called Restricted Content under Land Options. I don't see this option now, but assume (and yes I know that is dangerous  ) it will appear when age verification is rolled out at some as of yet unannounced point. And yeah, apparently we do *need* a seemingly redundant tag....(can't have classifieds and land sharing the same tag. Will there be a new "restricted content" search flag for those verified individuals who may want to find a mature area without restricted content for some reason?)
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Cristalle Karami
Lady of the House
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08-29-2007 12:45
If gambling wasn't illegal, I'd bet a few L that the "mature" box that currently exists suddenly morphs into "restricted content."
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Ciaran Laval
Mostly Harmless
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08-29-2007 12:53
From: Walker Moore I requested feedback from UK concierge members earlier in this thread but have yet to receive a response. It actually makes no sense to demand driver's license or passport information from British citizens because it's not available on a public database for anybody to cross-check (other than specific government or police agents). A couple of pages back Driving licence or passport number are the options I see.
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Nina Stepford
was lied to by LL
Join date: 26 Mar 2007
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08-29-2007 12:55
do you bother reading anything i post? actually READING it? you point out that if im willing to pay, i can find info- and google doesnt count. didnt i already state PAID investigation sites were used? why do you consistantly ignore these things then pretend to have made a point? do you look like linden lab? what does that have to do with what i said? thinking otherwise blah blah, when did i even hint i believed otherwise? do you do this on purpose? or are you just thick? From: Chiman Fassbinder Do i look like linden labs?
With the speed that LL goes? Could be another year before it gets outa beta.
If your gonna quote me, get your facts straight. I SAID 1/2 the people that were in the forums had their ADDRESS on the net, meaning in easy access like going to whitepages.com. Don't twist my words. I know what I said. As far as a trusted person investigating, i hardly think google'ing and whitepage searching is a confident procedure. Unless their a hacker, they won't find your information on the net. Everything is available on the net. There are plenty of places you can pay to pull up all your information, your name your address your credit history, everything. If your willing to pay for it you can get it. Thinking otherwise is a delusion.
Again if your gonna quote me, make sure you understand the relevance. I was speaking in the manner of the ones complaining about having to do this, prolly had something to hide. Yes I'm sure some of you are concerned about your information getting on the net and getting your identity stolen. But a good portion that are willing to leave over it. More then likely want their identity hidden for more then just fear.
I think that its rather sad, I think they should. But apparently for w/e reason they can get away with it, which i'm sure it has to deal with the fact that they are based outside of the US. In which case some countries couldn't give 2 shits about what people put on the internet that any person/'s can access. Which again, is rather sad.
Plain and simple, if something like this is getting your panties in a bunch, ya got other places you can go play that don't require age verification on top of payment information. Everything has its pro's and con's. But in the case of this its LL covering their own ass. Then its just a matter of everyone complaining about it. Is there anything that LL does that you agree with? Oh wait thats right, everything that LL does sucks, but yet you keep paying them. So who's the one to blame? *EDIT* If you don't pay to play, you really have to reason to bitch, ITS FREE!
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Colette Meiji
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08-29-2007 12:56
From: Kevyn Hienke According to the blog: I don't see this option now, but assume (and yes I know that is dangerous  ) it will appear when age verification is rolled out at some as of yet unannounced point. And yeah, apparently we do *need* a seemingly redundant tag....(can't have classifieds and land sharing the same tag. Will there be a new "restricted content" search flag for those verified individuals who may want to find a mature area without restricted content for some reason?) Actually there is some debate over whether the "Adult Flag" is the same as the "Mature flag" which already exists. Robin L pointedly did not answer this specific question in TWO seperate posts she reponded to of mine. (she answered everything else) The obvious question is - what does that mean for Shops - sicne that Mature flag is currently used to toggle your lang listing on Places search. (allowing Mature land to show up on "PG" searches if they are PG content) We hope theres going to be a new flag - thus creating three levels of content PG and Mature and Adult But its also possible there will be only 2 levels PG and Mature/Adult. Since they also would not define when Mature activity becomes "adult" activity in a very clear way (Explicit means different things to different people its a non definite word). Also since the Mature and Adult is used interchangably all over the place outside of SL to describe the same sorts of activity. --------------------- Of course in Dan L's lengthy interveiw - his vision is to have a 14+ grid with some areas containing 18+ content, refering again to a flag sort of system. The PG / Mature land distinction going away and being replace by per parcel flagging. Again arguing for a - if its not adult - its 14+ safe , system.
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Persephone Milk
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08-29-2007 12:57
From: Lindal Kidd Do you really think that anyone will want to do business with you if you are NOT willing to "reveal...real life information about" yourself, if that option is made commonly available? Of course. They do it now with absolutely no reservations. I have revealed nothing about myself, except to my friends, yet I make money all day long in Second Life. Why in heaven's would somebody stop short of buying something in my store after seeing my profile has no personal information? Maintaining absolute anonymity hinders your ability to do big things like sign large contracts for work, purchase a sim from another person, etc. It hinders you now, and it will hinder you in the future. What age verification does is gives you a way to verify one aspect of your identity without having to reveal the rest. I see this as a net positive step forward and a way to help protect your identity. Linden Lab isn't some fly-by-night ISP or porn sindication LLC that has nothing to lose if sued. They are not going to reopen under a new name or move operations off-shore. Their entire vision, and to some extent the future of the open metaverse, hinges on them doing this correctly. The way I see it, they really have only two choices: restrict what we can do creatively, or make a reasonble effort to restrict minors from accessing adult-oriented content. I think they have made the right choice.
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Colette Meiji
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08-29-2007 12:59
From: Hypatia Callisto repeat. Its for the classified ads. repeat. classifieds. repeat. classifieds.  The mature rating on sims is another thing entirely. (although LL has said that they may eventually retire it) The about land settings mature content rating is for classified ads at the present time, to rate them mature or not. actually its not for classified ads - they have a seperate checkbox in the Ad themselves. Its for the "PLACES" listing currently. Which is of course a similair reason. It was changed that way as a band aid for search suddenly unlisting everyone from non Mature searches reguardless of actual content.
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Hypatia Callisto
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08-29-2007 13:02
From: Colette Meiji actually its not for classified ads - they have a seperate checkbox in the Ad themselves.
Its for the "PLACES" listing currently. Which is of course a similair reason.
It was changed that way as a band aid for search suddenly unlisting everyone from non Mature searches reguardless of actual content. ah yeah... thought it affected classifieds too... thought it was in a blog post. I do list in places (not that it helps much) but you're probably right.
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Colette Meiji
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08-29-2007 13:03
From: Cristalle Karami If gambling wasn't illegal, I'd bet a few L that the "mature" box that currently exists suddenly morphs into "restricted content." Other than them using the word ADULT rather than MATURE there is no concrete evidence we will be getting a new checkbox. As I mentioned this specific question was unanswered by Robin from two of my posts - when she adressed the rest of the content contained. We COULD be getting a new checkbox , or it might be the "Mature" checkbox is going to the the "Adult" one.
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