Age Verification is here!!

It doesn't take the complainer knowing the culprit's RL identity to fix any of that. What it takes is LL enforcing the TOS.

LL can have more of my personal information NEVER! They have enough now to find me if I misbehave, and to make sure they get paid. They don't need more. They don't get more.

Personally I think they are Breaking the pravicy act... What about OUR RIGHTS TO PRIVACY???
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I undertand sl wanting to portecting them self
and the childen that come here as well , time for sl to make the parent take some of the reponsaible for the action of their children . like making sure they stay in the teen gide
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i rest my case

I don't have the answer to his question. I agree that the implementation doesn't cover the stated situation. I was only homing in on your comment that seemed to say that because you owned an island and no mainland parcels that you didn't have to worry about age verification in general. I was mistaken about what you meant.

Only for the moment...you as a group were chosen to be the beta testers.

You know, if its really that bad for you, there are other places to play. Try "There" or "Kaneva". You might find them more to your liking.

i gave examples of things possibly being marked 'adult' that were not sexual. how does that imply i am talking about visiting sexual parcels? or are you avoiding the point?
maybe you need to read the post again: /327/fc/207175/5.html#post1655420

mate, you suggested i was a fool to be thinking about verification at this time because i am not an estate owner. in turn i asked you if you truly believe i should not think about it until it happens, and this is your reply?
"..This means if ya don't own your own private sim, you dont' even have to worry about it yet. They are just testing to see how smooth the process goes. Sim's don't have the power to make you not able to go on their sim due to a new setting."


you yourself stated that you believed only 1/2 the people on this forum had their info all over the web. i indicated that i was part of the other half and that makes me the fool?
yues, i have used a cc on the web, in sl as a matter of fact. are you telling me ll already sell my details to marketing agencies? is this how you think you are going to gain my confidence in the age verification scheme? also bear in mind i am not in america, and privacy laws here are vastly different. i know my details arent available because i have had it checked by a trusted person with access to numerous paid 'investigation' websites. the only thing to show up is my phone number (which is listed in the phone directory).

youre the one that said "Personally I think its more of a matter of what these people want to hide more then what they are willing to give."
arent you?


and they dont require verification AT ALL. what do you make of that?

;p
I figured we were misunderstanding each other in some way lol.
I'm glad we cleared that up. Yes if you don't own an island that is cut off from all other land completely, this will affect you...and I'm curious how it will.

This won't kill SL I think. SL has become an economic platform over anything else, and just the sampling here shows most people with business interests are going along, and I probably would too in that position. for those of us that may leave over this, I think the effect will be small.

The question is, how will it affect our businesses? Again, when it becomes "an ocean of ban lines" for those that don't want to verify and are not business owners.... what then? Those too emotionally invested will stay. The question is, how many people are there that are this way?

Well I'm not going to verify and if it means I'm getting a whole lot of heat then I'll just up and leave.

There's a lot of talk about trust, it's a two way street and if they don't trust me they shouldn't be taking hundreds of dollars in fees off me every month.

Do i look like linden labs?


With the speed that LL goes? Could be another year before it gets outa beta.



If your gonna quote me, get your facts straight. I SAID 1/2 the people that were in the forums had their ADDRESS on the net, meaning in easy access like going to whitepages.com. Don't twist my words. I know what I said. As far as a trusted person investigating, i hardly think google'ing and whitepage searching is a confident procedure. Unless their a hacker, they won't find your information on the net. Everything is available on the net. There are plenty of places you can pay to pull up all your information, your name your address your credit history, everything. If your willing to pay for it you can get it. Thinking otherwise is a delusion.


Again if your gonna quote me, make sure you understand the relevance. I was speaking in the manner of the ones complaining about having to do this, prolly had something to hide. Yes I'm sure some of you are concerned about your information getting on the net and getting your identity stolen. But a good portion that are willing to leave over it. More then likely want their identity hidden for more then just fear.



I think that its rather sad, I think they should. But apparently for w/e reason they can get away with it, which i'm sure it has to deal with the fact that they are based outside of the US. In which case some countries couldn't give 2 shits about what people put on the internet that any person/'s can access. Which again, is rather sad.

Plain and simple, if something like this is getting your panties in a bunch, ya got other places you can go play that don't require age verification on top of payment information. Everything has its pro's and con's. But in the case of this its LL covering their own ass. Then its just a matter of everyone complaining about it. Is there anything that LL does that you agree with? Oh wait thats right, everything that LL does sucks, but yet you keep paying them. So who's the one to blame?
*EDIT* If you don't pay to play, you really have to reason to bitch, ITS FREE!

Why buy sex balls if your not going to verify?

Why buy sexy lingerie if your not going to verify ..

Wedding clothes ..

Prim babies..


etc etc

Hmm I just spoke with LL on the phone, it seems that the verification system isn't working at all for Canadians - the person I spoke to said that as far as they knew, not a single Canadian has successfully verified.

I guess they weren't kidding when they said it was still Beta.

-Atashi

But you should be conscious that in fact, how you see SL is less important than how _your customers_ see it.

If all your customers hate SL, your business will have no footing any more.

Slow dance 3 or 4, and IM/voice chat in IM doesn't require a flag. Just sayin'.

I think its a question of anonymity, not privacy. Privacy is about intrusion -- keeping others out of your private affairs. Anonymity, on the other hand, is about being unknown. Not allowing SL to verify your identity makes you unknown, not private. So, my question would be:

"How can you remain anonymous and retain ownership over something? I mean, what if someone infringes on your IP rights? How can you legally prosecute and still remain "unknown"? I'm not sure that's possible.

Maybe verification should apply to those operating businesses in SL only? These folks would need to be "known" to operate their business. That way resident-only folks don't have to divulge info if they don't want.

Just a thought...

Those of you who say, "oh, it's nothing, it's not hard to do, it's no big deal" have obviously not understood the above paragraph from Linden Lab. Do you really think that anyone will want to do business with you if you are NOT willing to "reveal...real life information about" yourself, if that option is made commonly available?

This is nothing less than the second step in turning SL into a 3D telephone company. The first one was the addition of voice.

Mr. Linden, I HAVE a telephone, and I HAVE email already. And they cost less and operate more reliably than Second Life, when I want to communicate with a Real Person. SL's uniqueness is its alternate reality aspect...the name says it all. When LL forgets that, SL is dead.

Your driving licence or passport number are the available options. However the government reccomend that we don't supply such details to people who aren't bound by the European data protection act and have all sorts of warnings regarding identity theft.

Yeah

But still theres gonna be a lot less buying if sex is pushed to verfied only lands or just IMS

My panic is in Beta. Please let me know when my panic goes live.

I used my passport. Which I have also had to enter into a commercial database previously in order to e-check-in before travelling.

Inc

Don't forget to stretch first.

My bigger worry is not about the verification but about the parcel restrictions. And of course if I will be able to verify at all... because I'm an expat. So my public records, eh heh... I've moved around so much I have trouble enough keeping up with me, I have my doubts as to whether the governments have done as good a job. Even though I'm legal and all... I've seen my share of screwups, also, since I'm not a citizen in the country I live in. So I don't know if I will be able to verify as a noncitizen.

Ok now on to parcel restrictions. You do realise that this is going to put private estate owners in a bad position -

do you -

ban all adult items and ban the use of restricting your land to adult (essentially turning your sims into PG zones, making it harder to rent the land)

make your estates adult (essentially turning out a good many of your residents and making it harder to rent the land)

The alternative is banline city - making a cohesive community and sensible travel through it, impossible.

I think its basically becoming a matter of PG/Mature(R)/Adult(xxx)

What makes me laugh about this, basically its like putting up the wall for limited access. You really think if I have a shop on a mature sim that the parcel is set to *EDIT* ADULT *EDIT*, that someone that isn't verified can't just pan in and buy stuff from outside the lines? may not be able to get in but sure as hell will be able to see. Maybe they'll put up blacked out glass like they do with the local porn shops so the kids can't see in thru the windows.