Age Verification is here!!

Me either.

dont verify - DO NOT GIVE US GOVERNMENT ACCESS TO YOUR SL - be an outlaw like me - life is more exciting that way

I am very saddened to see this happen, why SL has to do things so much differently than the normal 2 d web as far as this issue is concerned is beyond me. Age verification via credit cards and the like is a dime a dozen and seems to be enough for the web, why does sl require more.

And another thing, just who are we supposed to be providing with all of our private info, Aristotle, or Integrity. And just who the heck are they, I want links to these companies and some information that shows their company's history and affiliations.

I personally don't think they just toss out valuable information such as this. Imagine if someone did do something to a minor or something of the like, if you throw away all the info, then that person gets away with it? Is this to protect minors? or protect Linden Lab?

I can also think of at least one government entity that would not hesitate to demand every scrap of this very critical information. Maybe LL thinks it will be tossed, but truly, where is the guarantee in that, how about some literature, some contracts, something that proves it will be secure. I sincerely hope that every effort to research this company and any possible loophole or statute that might give them excuse to secretly keep and disclose said info. Or hell, Linden Lab for that matter, I mean I hate to say it, but lately I am not feeling like my best interests are at heart so much as pleasing the elitist law breaking unconstitutional bUShwhacked government.

If the TOS and the security of the grid is not good enough, well then maybe these kids parents should be held accountable for their fraudulent entry, not us. As far as I am concerned SL is a private network which requires membership to enter... should this not be the point of verification? I mean if it is required simply to enter, then it is a take it or leave it scenario. Why allow the possibility of minors entering at all. Just because they are not allowed on flagged parcels does not mean they arent going to be exposed to adult content.

And let's not forget what brought all this to be in the first place. "Foreign reporters" snapping pics of two people taking part in an age play fantasy in private(they thought). Two people who were immediately banned without dispute, for an act that, unless I am mistaken, wasn't clearly forbidden in the TOS to begin with. Lastly, two people who were well over the age of 18. Would age verification have stopped this?

Which is it, AGE OR IDENTITY, that needs to be checked here. What about a distributing an age card to all the ebgames stores, etc. much like WOW does with their subscription cards. These places are already equipped to verify age for mature games. A simple hand over the DL to the geeky clerk and your get the card with the verification "code" to authorize with LL. Most importantly, you are present while said verification is being conducted and can safeguard your own information, rather than rely on a phantom company who knows where and already disproved database and website securities.

Cool. I'm not flagging my sim until I get a warning. That's what warnings are for I guess.

Spurred on by Dan L., no less.

i will sell my property the first time i get warned and liquidate all my assets in world, cash out. period. full stop

Can you say IRS?

I have already put out the warning that when age verification comes that I would be flagging the parcels as mature, and have asked for those who didn't want to verify to identify themselves. I haven't heard of anyone who wouldn't verify - everyone who bothered to respond said that they would verify, but there has been some turnover since. I will raise the issue again now that it is here. I have already started flagging the residences as mature. I haven't made the plan yet for the PG space since I got no response. But we'll see...

Motivations.

I think it's pretty clear this is a 'gotta do it' move, like doing laundry or taking out the trash.

Here's why.

Consider the casino thing. Gambling was stopped on the grid, because it was unlawful where the Company does business. They could not continue.

Residents could poke them about it all they want, but at the end of the day you aren't allowed to be tacitly complicit to online gambling and expect credit card companies to process your transactions. We would have seen a big Nintendo style *GAME OVER* sooner or later, if they continued.


Now about age verification. The company does *not* have common carrier status. Neither do the residents.

So what does that mean? It means that you are responsible for the content in areas you control.

The Company is thus responsible for what we do on the grid to some degree, and private estate owners are responsible for what goes on also, to some degree, in their regions.

Don't like it? Well, neither do I. If I could get common carrier status for my regions, I would. But I can't.

Would I be held responsible for what goes on in my regions? Well, if I was sponsoring unlawful activities openly, knowingly, and profiting from them I bet I would be. If some random visitor publically wee-wee'd on my virtual lawn when I wasn't there, then ran off, I'd probably have a very minor degree of responsibility, or none at all.

Age verification is a way for them to protect themselves, and for *you* to protect *yourself*.

It's not because the Company wants to. As we have seen for years, the Company doesn't morally weigh in on gorean slave bondage yiffy diaper casinos. Their money is just as green as everyone else's.

The problem comes when the Company can't properly manage business risk.

I don't expect the Company to be a 100 million dollar patsy for anyone's social boundaries experimentation.

"Oops, sorry, we just got your service lawfully fined and banned from several European ISP's, didn't mean it, guess I'll play Warcraft now!"

That 'sorry' won't be good enough.

If you don't like what the Company has to do to stay in business I suggest you start voting in first life, and get rid of the laws that make all of this necessary.

Can I have your helicopter?

I will do that when I get on later this afternoon, Mick.

I'll be verifying as soon as it's available to non-concierge.

I think the IRS is going to get annoyed when the investigation starts the claims of well over a Million USD spent every day is really less than $250,000 cashed out.

I think LL's own inflated statistics will come bite them.

Then how about keeping dibs on what your children are doing?


I know, I know. In today's world parents can't be bothered to take responsiblity in regards to their children.

I noticed this appeared on my account today.. apparently free.. but not for me

I'm in the uk and it basically asks for one of two pieces of ID to verify, drivers license or passport number.. big problem for two reasons...

1) I don't have and don't intend to get a drivers license, driving just isn't something that interests me i can get a train or walk / cycle anywhere I need to go.

2) I don't have a passport, ok I might well need one in the distant future but for now I don't, it's a long story but a close family member has a medical condition which makes holidays abroad very difficult.

So.. that leaves me unable to verify my age on here...

I own almost 1/2 a sim of mature land and yes adult things go on there, so basically it looks like I either have to spend almost £70 (or $140 USD) on a passport just for this or sell my land and probably end up quitting sl.

I don't really want to quit sl, so it looks like i'll be forced into age verification at a cost to me of £70, basically that's like having to pay double my 1/2 sim tier for a month!

Ok i get a passport out of it, but will i use it before it expires? unlikely

I completely agree. LL has no control over the laws of the country, voting is the thing that can change the laws.

They stated that well over 5 years ago, don't hold your breath .

maybe it will encourage you to get out more. California is lovely this time of year.

This is scary. Do to a very bad experience, I wouldn't trust giving that info to anyone on the web. If it limits my access, so be it. I think LL is gearing SL towards a more comercial deal. They say it's voluntary, but who knows how long before it becomes mandatory.

Yawn.....here they go.....the conspiracy theorists will be adding to the thread next...

I agree with this, Desmond, and I'm not even a sim or estate owner. Just a small parcel owner, but I'll verify. No one is going to steal my identity from the last 4 digits of my social security number, it's not even possible. Besides, I run the risk of identity theft every time I order something on line, or over the phone, or use my debit card at an ATM, etc, etc. It doesn't bother me to prove I'm over 18.

I don't doubt they are taking action looking out for their business interests, that's perfectly logical. Just stop with the bullshit, "Protecting, the children". "creating atmosphere of trust" and all the garbage that come out on that blog. we are your customers. tell us the truth.

So then you just have to find better things to do within SL other then sex.


i never denied anything, I simply stated the obvious, but ty for verifying my point. YES eventually everyone will have the option to do so. Will they? Dunno and tbh don't care.


If you truely believe this, I would love to have some of what your smoking.
*EDIT* Give ya a little more depth to this. Unless you live in a cave your info is on the net. Ever buy something with a credit card/debit card? (in store or online) ever request your credit history? ever register a vehicle? ever buy a new car? cell phone? Basically unless you've never touch any bit of technology and only used cash. Your on the net.


Do you? You are reading way too much into this. This isn't something to say well she didn't verify so she must be a huge liar, this is to verify your age and that you are actually who you say you are. Fact is from what I have read and understood from all of this. Its to verify age and pretty much nothing more. If there is more then I will stand corrected. But the initial idea behind it was age.


Personally, rotten.com, nasty and pretty sad when someone finds that kind of video images interesting and worth thumbing thru. as far as googirls, don't know and really don't think i want to.

Try reading my post properly... a close family member has a medical condition which makes holidays abroad very difficult, in fact almost impossible.

Besides, no offence to Americans but there are a ton of other places i'd rather go

I didn't see it mentioned, but I wonder if it has to do something with the Patroit Act?