Age Verification is here!!

I think some people aren't realizing something here:

You are giving them info and they are seeing if it matches the info THEY ALREADY HAVE! If you are worried about them having your info, its way to late for that, thay laready have it.

/me sighs

Only concierge level users have the link.

If they already have the information why do they need it again? If they already had the information we wouldn't need to go through this process.

I am English, why would they have my drivers license? And they don't have it in connection with Second Life, and they don't have it marked with a flag that says i want to see 'broadly offensive' content.

and they wont have any of the above.

imogen

SO....

To anyone who has verified themselves with this thing...

Is there something in your profile now that shows you are age verified... or sex verified... or whatever? I recall that this verification will allow you to reveal certain information about yourself... like age... or geographic location.

Oh gawd, another person who can't figure how to read the blog.

Its about GERMANY and pushing its laws about child porn on an American service who does business there. In America you've got Supreme Court rulings about the subject of virtual child porn - in the opposite direction of Germany.

If LL only catered to American customers they could have told German prosecutors to sod off over identity verification, as this isn't a service for children and it complies with US laws already. But LL is forced to figure out a way to go forth with its international business model. I see the hard spot they are in, I just wish they could do it better than they are. I'm not against the verification so much as I am against the land based model they are using, instead of allowing us to mark objects as adult and filter the content that way, so its no longer visible to those who are unverified.

same here, and with no doubt there will always be people asuming "porn"
*some people already think every resident is into sl sex anywayz

I knew I'd handed out that golden turd award too soon.

Thunderclap, instead of ignoring those discussions you dismiss as whirlwinds, why not try reading, nay, understanding one or two them?

I'm not sure about the rest of Europe, but here in the UK we are being asked to provide information that actually cannot be cross-checked with information available on any public database. So when we provide this information and they tick the identity verified box, they are not telling the truth because they have cross-checked nothing.

Also, we don't have to abide by US law in this instance because Integrity UK handles our data. They have to abide by our data protection laws. As it happens, by requesting data (driving license and passport numbers only) for which they have no obvious use with regards the verification of identity whatsoever, they are actually breaking fundamental principles to which they agreed to legally abide. This leaves them wide open to complaints, and the potential revokation of their data controller's license. That would be something of a disaster for LL's international verification scheme, no? Particularly as Integrity UK is likely going to handle all the EU identity verification applications.

You can find the reference URLs for these points in aforementioned "whirlwinds".

okay, what excatly is a "concierge" account on sl, sorry for the noobnes, but im just not up-to-date with all the sl terms yet

The title of this thread reminds me of Underdog...

Have no fear!
Underdog is here!



*packs up her non sequiturs and slinks away*

OK. Seriously, WTF? Who one earth told you this? Personally, I live in a state that neighbors Canada and would welcome them into the union. I like every single one I've met. Wonderful people. But they can't even sort out Quebec. There's no way in hell they would ever agree to...what? Annexation? They aren't even a territory! Puerto Rico won't even vote to become a state. It's not like we can just buy Canada like it's the Louisana Purchase. Their PM and our president can't just work out a deal and make the provinces into states. Do you have any idea how nutty this statement is?

The best chance for this to happen would be for us to abandon Iraq, bring the troops home, immediately invade Canada (they'd never see it coming), and then make them a US territory. In about 500 years they might forgive us and vote to become states. Canadians are very forgiving people.

The third party has the info not Linden Lab.

Let me simply it:

1 - You give identifying info to the verification service
2 - They check it against the info THEY ALREADY HAVE
3 - They tell LL that you are age verified.

If you own a private island or (I think) half a mainland sim or more (someone else might correct me here) then you are considered a "Concierge user".

Currently the age verification link is only appearing on concierge users account details. It's a sort of beta test for the system.

If they have the information all they have to do is compare my name and address of my billing details and they can tell LL my age. Absolutely no need for me to provide any extra information.

Nope I looked around and there are no visible changes, yet.

Ugh, LL does not have billing details for everyone (ESPECIALLY free accounts), they sure don't have my mailing address. PLUS LL can't jsut go and hand over identifying info to another company, thats why you have to do it.

if Aristotle have my driving license and passport number already, i am going to ask for it to be removed.. I am within my rights under the UK Data Protection act to do that. They dont need it. I dont want them to have it.

imogen

No Ciaran is right. The third party, if it knows your age, could simply provide that to LL without any involvement from us. The only reason they want the users to be involved in the process is to give themselves the good faith defense that "user told us she was 18+", rather than saying "well, we checked with source X, who said user was 18+". It's a way of passing the buck back to the userbase.

This brings up a very interesting point.

What if age verification isn't very good? Lots of false positives?

I suppose 'due diligence' is all that is required.

If you can sort of muddle through the facts to say that hey, we pretty much did the best we could and generally that's acceptable... that's probably enough.

There is *no* real test for true age verification, if you think about it. Could be anyone sitting there, typing anything into any computer.

The big assumption is that the person typing the data in is you.


*peels another banana and gets back to his Elizabethan comedy in two parts*

Right, so those accounts for whom LL don't have details for they ask to id verify. Those accounts they do have details for LL ask Intergrity to check that a person with that name at that address is over 18. If Integrity really have all these details, then it's easy to do.

Rest assured, they don't have your DL or passport #. That data is not being cross-checked with anything simply because it is unobtainable.

I'd love to verify.
But their UK method is pure fantasy.

I'm surprised it doesn't bother the people (ie. Americans) whose info is being *genuinely* cross-checked.

My concern is why the heck they want such personal data that is absolutely useless to them...unless of course they have an ulterior motive?

I know Walker... like i said in an earlier post, this isn't about checking, at least not with the people who are already verified with other means. Its just a freebie gift by LL to an American company who collect data. They will do it for nothing because its useful to them. if its useful to them, they wont throw it away. Its a farce and i wont play this game.

imogen

I'm beginning to suspect that the reason we're being asked for this information is to stop Americans being bothered about having to provide additional information.

More importantly, UK people, time for bed!

If things are as you guys say In the UK as to the privacy laws, and Aristotle has a UK branch, wouldn't they know that Linden's scheme is not doable, or are they totally stupid too?