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10-10-2009 12:46
From: Innula Zenovka
Yes, it would seem that vitamin D is good for you, and if you take it in sufficiently large amounts, regularly enough, you are probably going to be far less susceptible to flu (in general) and other infections than otherwise you might be. Nowhere, though, did I find any claims in the articles on which you and your websites rely to suggest that vitamin D is an alternative to vaccination against avian flu; one might infer that it would be prudent to supplement a vaccination with a course of vitamin D but that's all I could glean from the original sources.
Be a bit careful though, Vitamin D is fat-soluble which means it is stored in the body and not excreted. It is possible to overdose.
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10-10-2009 12:55
From: spinster Voom Be a bit careful though, Vitamin D is fat-soluble which means it is stored in the body and not excreted. It is possible to overdose. An hours sunbathing in the middle of summer will give you 40,000IU in an hour. So tell me, what is the overdose level? |
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Phil Deakins
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10-10-2009 12:58
From: Debra Himmel I have done nothing of the kind. All I have done is to not bend to pressure and am happy to take this garbage and post a few things. Nowhere have I said that I agree with everything he says or writes. How many people can you bring forward that believe everything you say or write? Unfortunately (for you), you *have* done exactly that in this thread (paint yourself with the same brush). To be perfectly fair, *anyone* who reads his newsletters, from a supportive point of view, knowing that he pronounced Sadam Hussein to be dead while he was very much alive, and knowing that he believes certain people to actually be lizards, is as much a nutcase as he is - imo. Of course he says some sensible things sometimes; e.g. when he says, "I need a leak", I've no doubt that he really does need a leak, but the unbelievable crap that he produces, such as the lizards, make it exceedingly clear that he is a genuine, honest to goodness, nutcase and anyone who takes what he says seriously is as much a nutcase as he is - imo. And that's the brush you've painted yourself with. |
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Innula Zenovka
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10-10-2009 13:36
From: Debra Himmel An hours sunbathing in the middle of summer will give you 40,000IU in an hour. So tell me, what is the overdose level? Your comparison with sunbathing is somewhat misleading. It would seem -- and it is not surprising -- that From: someone Excessive sun exposure does not result in vitamin D toxicity because the sustained heat on the skin is thought to photodegrade previtamin D3 and vitamin D3 as it is formed. High intakes of dietary vitamin D are very unlikely to result in toxicity unless large amounts of cod liver oil are consumed; toxicity is more likely to occur from high intakes of supplements.(my emphasis) http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp#h8 Does this come as news to you (in which case your expertise in the field may be called into question)? |
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10-10-2009 14:04
From: Debra Himmel - “Senate Report 93-549” (The United States has been under dictatorial control since March 9, 1933. Report of the Special Committee on the Termination of the National Emergency, Senate Report 93-549, War and Emergency Powers Acts, November 19, 1973. “Foreward: Since March 9, 1933, the United States has been in a state of declared national emergency…These proclamations give force to 470 provisions of Federal law. These hundreds of statutes delegate to the President extraordinary powers, ordinarily exercised by the Congress, which affect the lives of American citizens in a host of all-encompassing manners. This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough authority to rule the country without reference to normal Constitutional processes. Under the powers delegated by these statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all transportation and communication; regulate the operation of private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens.” ) http://www.scratchinpost.net/barefootbob/war_ep1.html*sigh* This is so much of a non-issue. Did this happen? Yes. Did anything come of it? No. Does anyone know how this massive oversight happened? Probably not. Can it happen again? No. With the passage of the The National Emergencies Act of 1976, (50 U.S.C. 1601-1651), this State of Emergency you cited ended, and any future declarations of national emergency are only good for two years, and requires the President to make a formal declaration of a national emergency and spell out specific statutory authorities to be used under such a declaration. There have been 32 declared national emergencies since this law passed, and mainly concerned restricting trade with certain foreign entities. Wikipedia mentions that your citation is a popular one among conspiracy theorists. I'm not going to bother debunking your other citations, since doing so would just as likely be a waste of my time as this one was. Edit: Yeah I will; it's too easy. Your citations of various court cases very clearly shows that the government's system of checks and balances is working as intended. Not sure where the problem is here. As for citing the Patriot Act - yeah, I should have seen that one coming. There's not a lot of people here who think the Patriot Act was one of our greatest ideas. It is also the most carefully watched for any signs of abuse. The judicial system will probably pick this one apart as well when provisions get challenged. |
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10-10-2009 14:27
From: Phil Deakins Unfortunately (for you), you *have* done exactly that in this thread (paint yourself with the same brush). To be perfectly fair, *anyone* who reads his newsletters, from a supportive point of view, knowing that he pronounced Sadam Hussein to be dead while he was very much alive, and knowing that he believes certain people to actually be lizards, is as much a nutcase as he is - imo. Of course he says some sensible things sometimes; e.g. when he says, "I need a leak", I've no doubt that he really does need a leak, but the unbelievable crap that he produces, such as the lizards, make it exceedingly clear that he is a genuine, honest to goodness, nutcase and anyone who takes what he says seriously is as much a nutcase as he is - imo. And that's the brush you've painted yourself with. Only time will tell. |
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Debra Himmel
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10-10-2009 14:34
From: Innula Zenovka Your comparison with sunbathing is somewhat misleading. It would seem -- and it is not surprising -- that http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitamind.asp#h8Does this come as news to you (in which case your expertise in the field may be called into question)? For 50 years the research done by two Germans was taking as the facts with regard to vitamin C to the point of countries using the research to set daily requirements, then one day the research was shown to be a load of crap. But guess what, its still used by so called official bodies. In the meantime anything up to 300,000mg are used on a daily basis to cure people of all kinds of illnesses by people who actually understand something about it. |
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Katheryne Helendale
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10-10-2009 14:34
From: Debra Himmel Only time will tell. Huh? You mean the British Royal Family and Hillary Clinton really *are* reptilian life forms, and it's only a matter of time before that fact is revealed? Wake me up when that happens. I've got other things I need to do. Like trying to figure out if the Geico Gecko is of the same bloodline. *snickers* |
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10-10-2009 14:35
From: Debra Himmel In the meantime anything up to 300,000mg are used on a daily basis to cure people of all kinds of illnesses by people who actually understand something about it. So are leeches in some parts of the world. Your point? |
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Milla Janick
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10-10-2009 14:37
From: Debra Himmel Only time will tell. Time has told. People have been spreading crackpot conspiracy theories for years. They're routinely debunked, and the predictions never come to pass. Why do people continue to pay attention to them? |
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10-10-2009 14:37
Katheryne Helendale, you are a very wise and reasonable woman.
That means you are totally H.A.W.T.
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10-10-2009 14:38
From: Katheryne Helendale *sigh*
This is so much of a non-issue. Did this happen? Yes. Did anything come of it? No. Does anyone know how this massive oversight happened? Probably not. Can it happen again? No. With the passage of the The National Emergencies Act of 1976, (50 U.S.C. 1601-1651), this State of Emergency you cited ended, and any future declarations of national emergency are only good for two years, and requires the President to make a formal declaration of a national emergency and spell out specific statutory authorities to be used under such a declaration. There have been 32 declared national emergencies since this law passed, and mainly concerned restricting trade with certain foreign entities.
Wikipedia mentions that your citation is a popular one among conspiracy theorists.
I'm not going to bother debunking your other citations, since doing so would just as likely be a waste of my time as this one was. Edit: Yeah I will; it's too easy.
Your citations of various court cases very clearly shows that the government's system of checks and balances is working as intended. Not sure where the problem is here. As for citing the Patriot Act - yeah, I should have seen that one coming. There's not a lot of people here who think the Patriot Act was one of our greatest ideas. It is also the most carefully watched for any signs of abuse. The judicial system will probably pick this one apart as well when provisions get challenged. You just don't get it do you. Why is it being renewed every two years when there is no need for it? Because it gives the federal government powers it should not be using; using to control you and taking you further away from where you should be. |
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10-10-2009 14:46
From: Debra Himmel You just don't get it do you. Why is it being renewed every two years when there is no need for it? Because it gives the federal government powers it should not be using; using to control you and taking you further away from where you should be. Apparently reading comprehension is not one of your strengths. I already explained that, and you even included it in your quote.  |
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Debra Himmel
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10-10-2009 14:48
People, you do what you have to do, I'll do what I have to do. I'm tired of these silly arguments you all come up with to try and make me look silly. I've attempted to answer all your points.
Don't bother replying with 'you've already done that yourself'.
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10-10-2009 15:17
because you've already done that yourself?
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10-10-2009 15:58
From: Katheryne Helendale So are leeches in some parts of the world. Your point? Leeches are still widely used, leeches are bloody useful (no pun intended). |
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10-10-2009 16:27
#10 "Kentucky Fried Chicken makes black men impotent" The Kentucky Fried Chicken franchise is owned by the Ku Klux Klan, and the chicken is laced with a drug that makes only black men impotent. #9 "The Nazis had a Moon Base" The Germans landed on the Moon as early as 1942. #8 "U.S. military caused the 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami" The U.S. and Indian militaries deliberately caused the Indian Ocean tsunamis with electromagnetic pulse technology. #7 "Microsoft sends anti-Semitic messages on Wingdings Font" The character sequence "NYC" in Wingdings was rendered as skull and crossbones symbol, Star of David, and thumbs up gesture. This is a message of approval of killing Jews, especially those from New York City. #6 "The Truth is out there, on Area 51" The storage, examination, and reverse engineering of crashed alien spacecraft (including material supposedly recovered at Roswell), the study of their occupants (living and dead), and the manufacture of aircraft based on alien technology all take place at Area 51. #5 "Charlemagne never existed, is a fictional character" The Early Middle Ages never occurred, all artifacts attributed to this time period were from other times, and all historical figures, including Charlemagne, were outright fabrications. #4 "Barcodes are really intended to Control people" Barcodes are really intended to serve as means of control by a putative world government. #3 "September 11 was orchestrated by the U. S. or Israeli government" #2 "Apollo 11 Moon Landings were faked by NASA" The Apollo Moon Landings never took place, and were faked by NASA with possible CIA support. #1 "Dinosauroid-like Alien Reptiles are dominating the World" The British Royal Family are reptilian aliens, and that they can shapeshift and must consume human blood to maintain their human appearance. (David Icke theorizes that the reptilians came here from the constellation Draco.)  |
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10-11-2009 03:34
Former Airforce Officer sues State of Florida over forced vaccination law http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7vRHJtHtrgA former lieutenant colonel who almost died from taking a smallpox shot is suing the state of Florida over a law that allows the government to forcibly vaccinate the public in the event of a pandemic. Carmen Reynolds claims that the vaccinations she was forced to take during her 20-year military career destroyed her body-builder physique and also wrecked her internally, causing excruciating pain and permanently damaging her immune system. The Florida law mandating forcible vaccinations in the event of a public health emergency makes no exceptions for religion objections or health conditions and allows for police force to be used to quarantine individuals who refuse to take the shot, or even forcibly inject them at gunpoint if necessary. “I refuse to be killed by another vaccine,” stated Reynolds, who is suing Florida’s governor, attorney general and surgeon general over the law. “I served my country for 22 years not to be told that I am a criminal, a 2nd degree misdemeanor offender because I raised my hand and said this isn’t right. I don’t want toxins in my body because it jeopardizes my health,” Reynolds told ABC 3 News. At a court hearing in Milton this week, Reynolds was granted a continuance until December 1st to find an attorney, but the Attorney General’s office has filed a notion to dismiss the case, arguing that Reynolds has not been directly affected by the law. Similar laws are on the books across America and could easily be enforced should the swine flu pandemic return in the form of a deadlier mutation, as officials have been saying is likely to happen. |
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10-11-2009 06:24
From: Katheryne Helendale Huh? You mean the British Royal Family and Hillary Clinton really *are* reptilian life forms, and it's only a matter of time before that fact is revealed?
Wake me up when that happens. I've got other things I need to do. Like trying to figure out if the Geico Gecko is of the same bloodline. *snickers* Actually, I can believe the part about Hillary. I think she is one of those aliens from "Mars Attacks!"
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10-11-2009 10:42
Phew! I caught this thing just before it disappeared into page 2.
Hey. How 'bout that Nobel Peace Prize?
How many of those did our former chimp-in-chief George W. Bush win?
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Milla Janick
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10-11-2009 10:56
From: Alvaro Zapatero Phew! I caught this thing just before it disappeared into page 2.
Hey. How 'bout that Nobel Peace Prize?
How many of those did our former chimp-in-chief George W. Bush win? I don't believe they give nobel prizes to lizardmen. |
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Innula Zenovka
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10-11-2009 13:38
From: Milla Janick I don't believe they give nobel prizes to lizardmen. Henry Kissinger? |
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10-11-2009 13:53
From: Brenda Connolly Actually, I can believe the part about Hillary. I think she is one of those aliens from "Mars Attacks!" You know, that's what I was thinking as well as I posted that, but figured, - nah... No use giving any Icke followers here anything to try to use.  |
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10-12-2009 05:14
Well, eight days and 28 pages after the start of this thread it appears that it can finally be put to rest. Debra Himmel, who I hold very dear to me, is still dissatisfied with LL for requiring submission of private information to allow access to all of SL. All sorts of members of SL and LL have gotten all of their derisive, rude and abasing comments out of their systems. Since apparently parents around the world cannot or will not control where their children go on the internet, LL has bowed to government pressure and instituted policy which is certainly within their rights. They have employed a hired gun by the name of Aristotle Integrity, “a versatile, cost-effective and popular identity and age verification tool. It works by verifying standard issue driver license or other government-issued ID of citizens of 157 nations“(1). And all it has cost them, besides the money (dollars, not Lindens of course) is the dissatisfaction a few of their customers. As someone said over the past eight days, this was public relations for LL. They know it is a flawed system. Aristotle publicly admits that. In a paper written by Aristotle CEO John Phillips in July of 2008 he said: ““Weaknesses”. IDV/AVKBA are incomplete solutions to the problems addressed, and should be used as part of a layered approach. These solutions do not prevent user sharing of credentials. To obtain the broadest possible non-US coverage, Integrity can and will work with other providers to establish a layered solution.”(2) And to that end they have partnered with yet another firm, Globetech of the UK who somehow can help provide this “layered solution”. I suppose this should make me feel all warm and fuzzy about the submission of my personal information to some third party behemoth who’s primary business is providing public information to various government and quasi-government groups (RNC, DNC), but it doesn’t. In that same paper quoted above John Phillips wrote “Integrity provides a deduplication service to show how many times someone attempts to gain access before submitting their true information.” Tell me again how that works without maintaining personal data in their database? (Deduplication = Record linkage, in databases, refers to the task of finding entries that refer to the same entity in two or more files(3)) Yes, I get it. LL has the right to change their rules any way they want so that they can keep the government wolves at bay. And if I/we don’t like LL’s policies we are free to leave any time. It just saddens me that LL has sacrificed a segment of their own customer base to satisfy big government with a system that by it’s own admission, is flawed. So, this is a brand new week. Lets get this started again... I would like to thank SL for destroying my experience on SL. Now that I have to be validated I can no longer go to most of the places I used to. I'm never going to validate. I will be gone before I ever do that. Its none of your business. Report that back to your buddies at the NSA. (1) http://www.aristotle.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=blogsection&id=13&Itemid=143(2) Internet Safety Technical Task ForceTechnology SubmissionAristotle International, Inc./ John Phillipshttp://integrity.aristotle.comJULY 21, 2008 (3) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deduplication |
