Thank You SL

Windex.

Might want to read up on its link with suicide.

People wanted facts about the current vaccine and to know why some are alarmed at the way it's being forced on us, etc.

These nice people did everyone the favor of compiling some things. Please read, if you want to know what some of us have against it.

http://www.sixwise.com/Newsletters/2009/October/04/Swine-Flu-Vaccination-ALERT.htm

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, merely to explain my own position a bit.

I tried reading through this, but gave up when I realized any attempt at impartiality had been severely compromised through heavy use of emotionally-charged words, conjured images of ordinary citizens being rounded up, arrested, and sent to prison for refusing vaccination and - this was the deal-breaker for me - heavy amounts of embedded advertising. In fact, this whole thing read like a gigantic advertising brochure.

Do you have anything a little less biased?

same with SL but we still got kids and you know it

Don't waste your time Melita Magic.

Anti vaccine = biased
Fluoride = lets party
Pro vaccine = unbiased

Teabagger = über biased

Anyone that thinks that a child that has access to the Internet on a regular basis does not have access to hardcore porn is deluding themselves.

I also recommend doing a search on YouTube for subliminal images in Disney and other films aimed at children. And don't forget the advertising for the films.

http://www.mindbending.us/

Before anyone gets too freaked, this was done as an art project (although a few serious customer enquiries were received by the artist )

VITAMIN D KILLS H1N1 and NO SCIENTIFIC PROOF FLU VACCINES WORK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCadkv_8_5Q

Vitamin D and D3 (which is actually a hormone)
Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (Not much money can be made from bottled oxygen)
The power of Garlic (too easy to grow)
The use of Cannabis for pain relief and inflammation

Germans found that Vitamin D increases the immune system by 3-5 times and is BETTER than any vaccine at helping the immune system beat the h5n1 (bird flu) virus.

Research from PubMed: In 1981, R. Edgar Hope-Simpson proposed that a 'seasonal stimulus' intimately associated with solar radiation explained the remarkable seasonality of epidemic influenza. Solar radiation triggers robust seasonal vitamin D production in the skin; vitamin D deficiency is common in the winter, and activated vitamin D, 1,25(OH)2D, a steroid hormone, has profound effects on human immunity. 1,25(OH)2D acts as an immune system modulator, preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines and increasing the 'oxidative burst' potential of macrophages. Perhaps most importantly, it dramatically stimulates the expression of potent anti-microbial peptides, which exist in neutrophils, monocytes, natural killer cells, and in epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract where they play a major role in protecting the lung from infection. Volunteers inoculated with live attenuated influenza virus are more likely to develop fever and serological evidence of an immune response in the winter. Vitamin D deficiency predisposes children to respiratory infections. Ultraviolet radiation (either from artificial sources or from sunlight) reduces the incidence of viral respiratory infections, as does cod liver oil (which contains vitamin D). An interventional study showed that vitamin D reduces the incidence of respiratory infections in children. We conclude that vitamin D, or lack of it, may be Hope-Simpson's 'seasonal stimulus'-

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16959053?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=4&log$=relatedreviews&logdbfrom=pubmed


Vitamin D is important for helping the immune system fight the flu virus. One reason why the flu may be more contagious in the winter time is because of the lack of sunlight. The lack of sunlight prevents our skin from producing sufficient levels of vitamin D. There is now documented evidence about the roles of solar ultraviolet-B radiation and vitamin D in reducing case-fatality rates from the 1918-1918 influenza Pandemic in EU.

I quote: There are two mechanisms whereby vitamin D can reduce the risk of death once the pandemic influenza virus infection took hold: reduced production of pro-inflammatory cytokines and reduced risk of bacterial pneumonia.

The type of vitamin D which can fight viruses can ONLY be made from natural sunlight. It is known as D3, which is made from sunlight when 7-dehydrocholesterol in our skin reacts with UV light.

I quote: It is then twice activated in the liver and kidney to make 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D. This attaches to receptors on genes that control their expression, which turn protein production on or off. Vitamin D regulates the expression of more than 1,000 genes throughout the body. They include genes in macrophages, cells in the immune system that, among other things, ATTACK AND DESTROY VIRUSES.

A report in The Washington Post on August 3rd 2009 says:
Millions of Children In U.S. are Found to Be Lacking Vitamin D-

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/02/AR2009080202114.html


There are articles documenting that exposure to ultraviolet (UV) radiation in sunlight before immunization suppresses systemic as well as local immune responses-

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19450899?ordinalpos=6&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum


Which mean the vaccination doesnt work so well as a unsuppressed immune response is needed to build up anti-bodies and immunity to that particular vaccine. So another reason to block out the natural sunlight.

If our governments were so concerned about the swine flu surely they would put a stop to these climate change experiments which blocks out everyones natural sunlight. The fact that they or the media will not even report on the chemtrails happening above us only leads me to be more suspicious of what the chemical spraying is really about.

Epidemic Influenza And Vitamin D-

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/51913.php

You must be real fun at parties.

This is truly the thread that keeps on giving.

I hope they come up with a vaccine for it soon.

I knew someone would mention the ads at the bottom. Show me a website without ads!

You neglected to mention the salient points, of course. At least debate fairly.

There are various videos, and other sources of FACT that are the point. Not the ads. (Are you saying the laws they talked about are not the truth?)

How do you think it will work or be enforced if people are forced into 'quarantine' (read: house arrest) if they refuse to be vaccinated? They'll just be asked to stay home? No - they will be forced to. And how would you accomplish this if masses of people refuse? Masses of other people - perhaps the military. It's been mentioned. This isn't made up.

Not allowing anyone to sue PLUS forcing this (barely tested 'vaccine') on people means that the entire population becomes the govt's guinea pigs, wait, Big Pharma's guinea pigs, with no recourse at all. Sound like America to you?

How about Christian Scientists, whose religion forbids them from receiving any type of medicine? What about the freedom to pursue religion?

And what about the fact that this pandemic does not EXIST, to this day?

In that case I'd say it's the animators being passive aggressive and striking out at a company that underpays them (unless they are one of the 'stars' of animation.) Not a conspiracy. When found, those images are removed.

Debra [teabagger] might want to look [cross-eyed] into subliminal postings.

Name two Christian Scientsists who have been forced to take this flu vaccine.

Now you are being a bit ridiculous. Do you think an exception was made among health care workers or school children if they were Christian Scientists? (Clue: A Christian Scientist would hardly be working in a hospital.) Do you think there will be an exception made, if as has been threatened, anyone who refuses is put into house arrest? They will claim national emergency - for this non existent pandemic.

People kept asking me for facts. That page has some. And yet maybe one person read it, and only mentions the ads at the bottom.

More people die from regular flu world wide than from this non existent plague and yet everyone's so scared by the propaganda about it, they will agree to anything it seems.

Remember how possible scares of anthrax had everyone running to the ER for Cipro because they saw some white powder at home that turned out to be dust? I do.

I can't help thinking of Orson Welles' War of the Worlds - this is propaganda, folks! Whatever happened to bird flu? It never happened.

Health care workers who are Christian Scientists? *boggle*

It has already been pointed out that this is not what the law says, and what it actually refers to.

Yeah I know, I corrected that while you were typing probably. You haven't read my correction yet. See I make the mistake sometimes of thinking others have thought their attack through and I hit reply in good faith. I forget, not all dissenters have any more facts at hand than those they are arguing with, and often times, less so.

Her contention was silly anyway - how do I have names at hand? But everyone means everyone.



Have some of you thought through how this will all work, if all these laws pass? Why are health care workers forced to have the shots, either, as far as that goes. It does not even guarantee anything.

I do wish you guys would open your minds enough to at least read through, and really think through, what some of us are posting. I do notice most in favor have a military background. That would necessitate acceptance of a higher authority giving orders they must obey, and trust in govt. above all. I say questioning things is healthy.

Most of us civilians are NOT used to handing over such decisions.

You mean Bill 2028, which says a person can be fined $1000 per day they disobey, and be given prison time, for refusing to stay in 'quarantine?'

There are many communicable diseases all around the world today. The STORIES about what MIGHT happen have people running scared and overlooking stripping of civilian rights. Notice this bill did not pass before - propaganda scares took care of that.

Absolutely nothing. There isn't enough vaccine to make it mandatory even for "all school children". The laws that have actually been referenced don't actually say what Debra claimed. That's why I said [citation needed].

To reduce the chance of them being carriers and infecting patients.

[citation needed]

Actual bill, not someone's interpretation of it.

I'm not talking about the ads at the bottom. I'm talking about the ads that are laced throughout the article for things such as microfiber wipes, detox kits, vitamin packs, and so on. By linking to the site's sales page the way they did, the article lost all objectivity and just became a giant sales pitch. Whatever salient points made in the article lost their credibility because of this. The article is also extremely biased to the point of nearly appearing like the rants of a government conspiracist.

I'm a little pressed for time right now, but I will give it another read later and debate the points made.

Argent -

In New Jersey school children are being forced to take this vaccine or they will not be able to attend school or day care.

In Maryland a school official threatened to put parents in jail if they did not vaccinate their children (he might not be able to but that is strong civil and social pressure.)

This is nothing but hysteria.

I HAVE given you a citation you obviously have not gone there, read it or watched the videos, which are straight from tv news reports, including interviews with politicians who voted the bill in.

The part I quoted is from a guy who is standing there holding a copy of the bill. Honestly if you guys are gonna debate this way, it's not worth the time spent. You are also ignoring the questions and points I raise: another waste of my time.

No one outside the military or health care workers is required to take this vaccine, and no one will. No national emergency will be declared over influenza.

Children will not be rounded up into FEMA concentration camps and be forced to take vaccines for no apparent reason. Marial law will not be declared. This flu season will come and go just like the last one, and the one before that and the one before that...

Propaganda? You mean like from that quack Mercola who is trying to sell you tannning beds? Or the tinfoil hat websites making up stories about navy plague ships?