Thank You SL

Oh come ON. You obviously did not watch a single video. They are not even written the videos are from the nightly news.

Come off it already. If you want to skim over something skim over the ads, not the facts.

Good job trying to dissuade anyone else from going there to read it though. Again show me a website without ads! You wanted some facts this page compiles the key points in one page, yet you skim over it and refuse to really read it or take it seriously with the EXCUSE it has some ads links in it. Give me a break.

Why not prove to me that this stuff is necessary to be forced onto every school child in NJ when those same other kids could shake hands or touch something once they left school, and get the flu anyway? As the parent in that video you obviously never watched, said, in effect, 'If YOU take the vaccine why are you worried about my child taking it or not?'

Obviously the goal would be to do the same with every person, otherwise, there's little point limiting this to kids and nurses.

Slow down, you guys, and look at what you are really defending.

Oh come on - I have not cited Mercola. I am pointing you toward facts, and you keep arguing about tin foil hats. Why does every person who has nothing to stand on except colorful phrases resort to the tin foil hat specious argument/insult?

Also you are wrong. New Jersey school children and kids in day care must take the vaccine or stay home. Not everyone can home school their kids. How is that not being forced on them?

I'm so glad you can see the future Milla, yet you call others crazy while claiming they are doing just that.

Martial law is what that bill promises, for those who refuse vaccination if the govt. deems it necessary.

[citation needed]

I've been threatened by stupid bureaucrats too. It sucks. They tend to back down when you quote actual laws at them, though.

Citations to actual language in actual bills, please.



Probably not. People who ask for facts are a pain in the butt.

Argent, I'm done talking to you until you at least go and see that link I have already posted. If a person standing there holding a copy of the bill and quoting from it isn't good enough, too bad. I don't happen to have a copy of the bill lying around here myself and if I did you'd just accuse me of photoshopping it, anyway, or someone else here would. Yet nothing will seem to satisfy you except a copy of the actual bill. If it's online go find it yourself, you don't seem lazy to me. I don't need to find it, apparently you do.

You are all way too hard headed to try and have a balanced discussion with. To honestly debate you must show an open mind, not just quip after quip every time your opponent makes a point.

For anyone else who might be interested, here are some other vids/links.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4SmFxyust0 (I am not EVEN gonna go near the vaccine/autism debate with a 10 ft. pole, so talk about that with someone else.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/2235676/Homeless-people-die-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-Poland.html Bird flu vaccine killed people it was tested on. That's the other time propaganda/fear was tried but no one went for it.

http://blacklistednews.com/news-5203-0-22-22--.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDR-UJYms6w&feature=related This one will probably be mocked as 'too dramatic.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJiTStZtrlE&feature=related And good ol' Ron Paul.

There is so much about this all over the web. Stating that there are no facts is simply a lie, and saying "citation needed" repeatedly instead of actually discussing the issues, is just a sarcastic way to say 'up yours.'

For those who keep asking me for proof then scoffing any time I give some - You obviously cannot be satisfied. Now it's my turn to be ridiculous. Show me any proof that there IS a pandemic of H1N1. Show me that people are dropping like flies all over the world. From this, not from all the countless other communicable diseases running rampant in various places throughout the world. Prove to ME that any of this insanity is even called for. Shouldn't that be what happens BEFORE people are made to take something they do not wish to take? And yet it still has not.

No, it's not good enough. A copy of the bill, and the statutes it's modifying, that's good enough. I've seen too many selective quotes from bills to trust anything less. Selective quotes in a video? Worthless.
Why would you expect a pandemic involving a mild disease to lead to "people dropping like flies"?
I haven't even suggested that panic is called for. You're trying to convince us that the situation is so dire that it's reasonable to debate it on a virtual world forum. I'm simply asking for proof.

No, I really have no desire to discuss this further as it will only be taken personally.

If you believe what you hear from places like infowars.com, there's point in trying to convince you otherwise.

I'm just gonna step back and watch the grease fire now.

Never been there, so far as I know. Nor, I think, have I said what I believe.

I haven't even claimed there's a pandemic, so I don't know why you're asking me for proof of that.

Have you got any quotes for that? Children are required to take a seasonal flu vaccine, but the H1N1 vaccine does not fulfil that requirment.

Sorry, the perils of not quoting. The video Melita suggested might be too dramatic was from there.

I'm not asking for proof backing up claims of a pandemic, either.

Mockery /= debate, Milla.

I love how some of you just ignore every point made and declare it's not good enough.

For Brenda, here is an article without ads/ad links.

http://www.healthyalterego.com/?p=736

Please read parts 1, 2, and 3. (Links for parts 2 & 3 are to the side.)

It was from youtube. Where it was before that, I don't know - but I doubt it was from infowars.com. I purposely avoided any mention of that site, since I knew how you'd quip gleefully in response.

Instead of debating your likes or dislikes how about debating the facts? Simply because someone or some site you dislike posts a study or fact does NOT mean it is untrue.

My point about "prove there is a pandemic" is to question the drastic measures being taken and defended in support of the supposed pandemic. Doesn't it make sense to actually have one, in that case?

There is a detailed description of the video citing infowars.com as the source.

Whether I like it or not is irrelevant. The source is not credible.

I can look at credible evidence objectively and make up my own mind. I have already done that and see no point in trying to convince anyone else.

I am not concerned in the slightest about either an influenza pandemic or martial law resulting from it.

Near as I can tell "Bill 2028" is a Massachusetts State Senate Bill, Not yet Mass Law



From what I can tell (I'm not a lawyer), it basically reads as a worse case disaster plan update for disease control.

Yes there are some very harsh governmental abilities given if such a circumstance should happen, and an emergency declared, but given that in the face of a real pandemic it would take just this sort of action to maintain order and save lives.

Yes, there some pretty far fetched parts to it, but I think that it is basically written to give the emergency and governmental agencies the power to deal if faced with a pandemic with a large portion of the population infected with something that has a high mortality rate.

What is happening now is like other things, way too many reporters and news channels, not enough real news, so even the smallest things get hyped up.

Of course I could be totally wrong on which Bill is being quoted.

Lol similar to what I was going to say.
Surprisingly this is one of the few moves Lindens made that's reasonable in my opinion. Offering payment info is in no way intrusive, it's like buying something from the supermarket. O.o
Only reason why anyone hesitate to offer payment info is because:
a) They're underage to start with, and therefore don't have a credit card or whatever
b) Have a RL identity to hide for some well-known reasons
>.>

Yeah but this gets into defining "Pandemic". Pandemic according to the world health organisation means that the disease has spread in two countries in one continent and has also spread to another continent and we're in that phase.

It's just a bill. I'm not going to sit here and try to claim that we don't have stupid congresscritters in office. That's almost inarguable. However, one thing that makes our system of government great is that those clowns do not have absolute power. The bill still has to be signed by the President, and even then, that's not the end of it. We have the third branch of the Government known as the Judicial Branch. If they deem the passed bill as unconstitutional (which something like that definitely would be), then it's squashed.

And any bureaucrat, such as a school district superintendent, who oversteps his authority by threatening to jail anyone who doesn't get their kids immunized, deserves to have his nuts stomped on in court. Period.

Thank you Lil for reiterating the diffferences. It's a pet peeve of mine when people with the right facts end up passing along ill information and causing confusion because the wrong term is used.

That said, I don't think LL consolidating the two, or getting rid of the old age verify selection would be the right choice at all, not at this point anyway. Adult content is *still* allowed on mature mainland in private. Despite all the annoyances people voice about it, if it's being used on mature land to shield ones private adult stuff, it's being used the *right* way. IMO It's the people with sex stuff in their skyboxes or whatever that *DON'T* put up the age verify and/or PIOF Only barrier that risk losing that mature land privilege for everyone.

You are totally correct. The bill is intended for a worst case scenario.

This is hype run amok. It does not bode well for people's ability to think rationally.

I can't wait for the focus of discussion to fall on Climate Change.

Now won't THAT be fun?

It is truly amazing how this thread has turned from someone complaining about giving up some personal info to play a computer game into......this.

You've been around long enough to not find that amazing!

Gimme a break. I've had a few Stellas tonight.

The OP basically stated she wasn't going to verify her account because Linden Labs was conspiring with the NSA. This thread was destined from the start to go in truly weird directions over truly bizarre territory.

Ack, blush, sorry, I got "Milla" and "Melita" mixed up. I have that problem with a lot of Anime too.

c) Their credit card issuer or bank has Linden Lab on the "High Risk" list, which is kind of a problem Linden Lab needs to deal with.

The age-verify and PIOF parcel barriers DO NOT WORK to protect skyboxes. They don't work. They provide no protection. They are worthless. They are an ex-barrier. They have joined the choir eternal. They are pushing up prim daisies. They DO NOT WORK, because skyboxes are above the level of the ban lines. Sheesh.