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As You Like It - Men Becoming Women

4318723350112047 String
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11-19-2008 19:55
From: Gabriele Graves
I agree also, having serious relationships in SL is a recipe for disaster for most people. For myself I have decided that is a road I do not want to travel.



I have to agree to.

I just wish it wasn't this way. But oh well..

Back to sticking prims together...
Sandy Wolfe
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Survey about genders in SL
11-19-2008 19:55
I was curious about this kind of thing and built a survey to ask about RL gender versus SL gender and corresponding Cyber interactions. If you take the survey you get to see the results to date. You can take the survey here:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=t_2fIsj9O3Pmt_2bXS_2fC1w7SHw_3d_3d

You can also find the survey in SL in the orange gadget at:
http://slurl.com/secondlife/Derwent/47/64/42
Yumi Murakami
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11-19-2008 19:56
From: Gabriele Graves
Then you are not looking in the right places I suggest. There are *still* many, many wonderful builds out there. The world works much better except near upgrades than it ever has - at least from my experience.


Sadly many of those wonderful builds are empty :(
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11-19-2008 20:00
/me looks up Pserendipity Daniels profile

*grins*
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11-19-2008 20:12
From: LadyMacbrat Loveless
/me looks up Pserendipity Daniels profile

*grins*

You can also save your fingers a lot of work by calling him Pep. And while I am on that subject:

Hope 4318723350112047 String will answer to 431 instead.
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Spanky Rossini
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11-19-2008 20:13
I also maintain that there isn't necessarily anything gay about using a female avatar in Second Life. Its like someone said early in this thread, i would rather be looking at a hot babe that isn't me than at some stupid looking guy that isn't me all the time.

Me using a female avatar on Second Life makes me gay no more than playing a soldier in Call of Duty 4 makes me a war hero.

(not that its a bad thing to be gay just saying!)

Ok damnit it is kind of gay what the hell.
4318723350112047 String
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11-19-2008 20:19
From: Spanky Rossini
I also maintain that there isn't necessarily anything gay about using a female avatar in Second Life. Its like someone said early in this thread, i would rather be looking at a hot babe that isn't me than at some stupid looking guy that isn't me all the time.

Me using a female avatar on Second Life makes me gay no more than playing a soldier in Call of Duty 4 makes me a war hero.

(not that its a bad thing to be gay just saying!)

Ok damnit it is kind of gay what the hell.


I don't think gay people want to use a female avatar either. Gay people like to look like this:





























very butch!
LadyMacbrat Loveless
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11-19-2008 20:20
I love what someone once told me...

"Everyone is so willing to believe that I'm a female, but no one believes for a second that I'm a cat!"

I love Fleabite Beach.
4318723350112047 String
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11-19-2008 20:22
From: LadyMacbrat Loveless
I love what someone once told me...

Everyone is so willing to believe that I'm a female, but no one believes for a second that I'm a cat!

I love Fleabite Beach.


cats can't spell.
4318723350112047 String
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11-19-2008 20:29
From: Jesse Barnett
You can also save your fingers a lot of work by calling him Pep. And while I am on that subject:

Hope 4318723350112047 String will answer to 431 instead.


I actually went looking for post 431 to answer to for you.

I was like - "But wait... there is no post 431!!"

I'm not well..
Zi Gothly
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11-19-2008 20:59
From: Yosef Okelly
Going back to the original assumptions that women are the dominante sex, I have to say there are fewer "men" than ever. I know I am a far cry from your typical he-man knuckle-dragger, but I do like to think I am a man. I feel more in common with Bogart than DeCaprio, that for sure.


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Kelli May
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11-20-2008 04:17
From: Spanky Rossini
I do think that a guy should have a right to know who they are playing around with is really a woman if this is important to them, and thats where I think voice comes in and you can force their hand, problem solved.

If you ask me (and I know you didn't!) every guy should try to go around in SL with a sexy female avatar at least once and see how different people treat you, you learn a lot about how pathetic a lot of guys make themselves look. There is no shortage of weenies trying to get laid this is for sure.

Some guys make themselves look pathetic by virtue of their arrogant uninformed posts right here. No need to go in-world.
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11-20-2008 04:28
From: Aaryn Renfold
Lmao. I always wanted to start a topic of this...
I have told many people in sl this and i will say it here. sl is the fantasy you really want in rl but cant have. As far as this topic goes anyway
Sad thing is 80% of the guys who do play as chick will never tell you. Every time i hear about a chick who was fount to be a guy i just want to die laughing....


Bad thing is it gives all the real females a lot of trouble cause they are hounded about whether they are a m or f in rl... And alot of people wont settle inless they hear a voice are something.

Just keep them chicks with #$%^'s very far away from me

And if you are 1 of them and your reading this. You are really messed up in the head

So come on all you gender benders lets hear how you are confused and bla bla bla....

I'm neither confused nor messed up in the head. My thinking is very clear on this subject. And don't worry, I'll be staying as far away from you as I can get.
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11-20-2008 04:36
Well after a long chat with my patner last night I have decided to become a guy in SL for a few weeks. Her alt partnered mine for the experiment and she is going to be at my side for it.

This will be an interesting way for me to understand what RL is like for MTF tg women. Of course it wont be the same as living every day as a woman trapped in a man's body but it will give me soem idea of how to muddle through.

My partner is making me learn most of this on my own. No social pointers about how to interact with guys etc. Though she did stop me buying soem clothes for this, suposedly no stright guy would wear what I was going to buy poor IT.

Ill be honest I am not sure what to expect from all this. But I ove my partner and i would like the chance to experience some timein her shoes. We have spoken about it, and as much as i try to understand a lot of it I just cant.


Anyway the plan is to find somewhere ice to hang out and try to socialise with the group for a few weeks. See what happens, see if I truely can pull this off. I am already nervous
4318723350112047 String
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11-20-2008 04:58
From: IT Low
Well after a long chat with my patner last night I have decided to become a guy in SL for a few weeks. Her alt partnered mine for the experiment and she is going to be at my side for it.

This will be an interesting way for me to understand what RL is like for MTF tg women. Of course it wont be the same as living every day as a woman trapped in a man's body but it will give me soem idea of how to muddle through.

My partner is making me learn most of this on my own. No social pointers about how to interact with guys etc. Though she did stop me buying soem clothes for this, suposedly no stright guy would wear what I was going to buy poor IT.

Ill be honest I am not sure what to expect from all this. But I ove my partner and i would like the chance to experience some timein her shoes. We have spoken about it, and as much as i try to understand a lot of it I just cant.


Anyway the plan is to find somewhere ice to hang out and try to socialise with the group for a few weeks. See what happens, see if I truely can pull this off. I am already nervous


Well before you go off on your role playing adventure, just remind yourself that not everybody is here to role play and so therefore your game can end up being nothing more than a pack of lies to some.

It'll be no different from a guy telling a woman that he is single when he's really married.

"Hey, I was just role playing being a single guy! What's the problem?"


;)
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11-20-2008 05:27
From: IT Low
Well after a long chat with my patner last night I have decided to become a guy in SL for a few weeks. Her alt partnered mine for the experiment and she is going to be at my side for it.

This will be an interesting way for me to understand what RL is like for MTF tg women. Of course it wont be the same as living every day as a woman trapped in a man's body but it will give me soem idea of how to muddle through.

My partner is making me learn most of this on my own. No social pointers about how to interact with guys etc. Though she did stop me buying soem clothes for this, suposedly no stright guy would wear what I was going to buy poor IT.

Ill be honest I am not sure what to expect from all this. But I ove my partner and i would like the chance to experience some timein her shoes. We have spoken about it, and as much as i try to understand a lot of it I just cant.


Anyway the plan is to find somewhere ice to hang out and try to socialise with the group for a few weeks. See what happens, see if I truely can pull this off. I am already nervous

Why don't you ask yourself the question in these forums "What's it like to be a female in a male avatar's body?" and answer it yourself with regular *honest* posts, like a blog. If the annoyances could be persuaded to lay off (I won't interfere for one if you are being truthful) then it could be an illuminating diary.

Pep (Uses a female alt for nefarious reasons of course)
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11-20-2008 05:27
From: 4318723350112047 String
Well before you go off on your role playing adventure, just remind yourself that not everybody is here to role play and so therefore your game can end up being nothing more than a pack of lies to some.

It'll be no different from a guy telling a woman that he is single when he's really married.

"Hey, I was just role playing being a single guy! What's the problem?"


;)


I have no intentions of becoming anythign more than friends with anyone. I would hope that no one would be offended or upset by me not revealing all of my RL self to someone right away unless I was intending on becoming closer to them. I will be telling the truth to the peple I get close to at some point and I dont intend to hurt anyone by doing any of this.

IT is partnered to my partners alt and she will be coming with me as my partner.

Please understand that this is no game. I am not out to do anythign other than to undertand. I have no intentions of hurting anyone. I woudl thinking haaving had a partner who is tg and hid it for part of our relatinship I would have at least some understanding of how this could hurt others if not done with respect.
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11-20-2008 05:34
From: Tegg Bode
Hmm, better give you some secret mens busness wordez.
Holley, 357 Chev, Beer, DiffLock, Hooters, Pron, Pickup, Bugatti Veyron, Beer, Tits, Rooting, Arse, Esky, Spunk Rat, 303, Beer, Tits, Arse, Coldie, Tinnie, Barra, Whiting, Slicks, Sheila, Honda, Beer, Tits, Rev Limiter, Tacho, Beer, Carby, Knockers, Quad Cam, Intercooled, Beer................

Sung to the tune of "99 Red Ballons:"
Jugs and orbs and darts and gourds
Elmer Fudds and bouncing Buddhas
Sweater stretchers, lung protectors
Beach umbrellas, frost detectors
Scooby Snacks and snake-eyes dice
Jell-o molds and high-beam lights
Every day I probably use
99 words for boobs

Humpty Dumplings, Hardy Boys
Double lattes, Ode to Joys
Hooters, shooters, physics tutors
Bobbsey Twins and bald commuters
Double-WMD's
MRE's and PFD's
Snow-white dwarfs, Picasso cubes
99 words for boobs

Gerber servers, holy grails
Whoopee cushions, humpback whales
Flying saucers, traffic stoppers
Super Big Gulps, Double Whoppers
Pillows, billows, Don DeLillos
Soft-serve cones and armadillos
Pimped-out hubcaps, inner tubes
99 words for boobs

Midget earmuffs, warming globes
Strobes and probes and frontal lobes
Knockers, honkers, knicker bonkers
Smurfs and Screaming Yellow Zonkers
Tannin' cannons, Mister Bigs
Big bad wolves and Porky Pigs
Jogging partners, saline noobs
99 words for boobs

Two-point jumpers, Bambi's Thumpers
Rubber baby buggy bumpers
Rutabagas, Chi Omegas
Schwag the showgirls show in Vegas
Congo bongos, bowling pins
Fast-pitch softballs, siamese twins
Your claims I'm breast-obsessed are true
We're quite a pair 'cause I'm a boob too


99 WORDS FOR BOOBS
Parody of Nena's "99 Luftballons"/"99 Red Balloons"
Lyrics by M. Spaff Sumsion
Yosef Okelly
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11-20-2008 05:36
After all that, I prefer sweater puppies, TYVM.
Bekka Hax
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11-20-2008 06:14
Your good with me EC/IT. I wish my partner/ex/hell hound/gf/whatever she is called today would invest that kind of effort in understanding me from time to time!

I dont know if SL can provide the means to truly understand the innormitude of the transgendered disposition and certainly wont help fathom out the hormonal conflicts that are interwoven with it, but I admire your tenacity in exploring what you are able to with the tools available.
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11-20-2008 06:24
From: 4318723350112047 String
SL risks becoming very superficial and pointless.
For some people role-playing is both very deep and the whole point.
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11-20-2008 06:31
From: 4318723350112047 String
SL is the last place I go to see cool!. Get yourself an XBox, gal!. Screw the gameplay, just enjoy the scenery! :)
The cool in SL comes when you realize you can *make* the scenery.

Google for Robbie Dingo's video "Watch the World". SL was a lot simpler and cruder back when he did that, but that's already more "cool" than I've seen on *any* console.
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11-20-2008 06:41
From: Spanky Rossini
I do think that a guy should have a right to know who they are playing around with is really a woman if this is important to them, and thats where I think voice comes in and you can force their hand, problem solved.
I'm a guy, but most of the time when I talk to someone on the phone who doesn't know me, they think I'm female. I know women who have very deep voices and the relatively flat affect that's typical of a male. Even meeting someone in person isn't going to be good enough, 100% of the time.

And that's even before you bring in software.

Voice is NOT a reliable tool for detecting "transpostites". I won't go into any of the other things I think people are misusing voice for, I've posted about THAT often enough. It's why I'm still sitting here in front of a computer with no mic input and no slots for a sound card ... let alone a headset ... but, honey, if I *were* to go on voice I suspect I'd be more accepted with a female avatar than a male one.
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11-20-2008 06:48
From: LadyMacbrat Loveless
"Everyone is so willing to believe that I'm a female, but no one believes for a second that I'm a cat!"
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11-20-2008 06:50
I never consider whether the guy I have sexual relations with in sl is a guy. I'll be frank with you and say it doesnt truly bother me. It's actually very stimulating to NOT know - knowing everything about your partner is really a bore. I am sure I have slept with women who are role-playing men. I hope I gave them a good time. Let's leave some hang-ups in th ereal world and concentrate on how we appear in sl. Its much healthier. Guys, get over the fact YOU aren gonna know for sure who you are having sex with. After all, how can you be sure you arent f**king someone with 15 people staring over the partners shoulders in real at you??? Just coz they say they are alone doesnt mean they really are.
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